Dissapointed after blue tops IGF-1

**kburek** · 03-22-2007, 09:48 PM

I start My Igf-1 Lr3 cycle at the end of the February.I bought it from supposedly reliable source ( 5 years on the "market" as what they told me)
but i didn't noticed any effect.I start with 50 mcg PWO,then I bump it to 80 mcg PWO, but without changes.They say now that I should eat more carbs ro shot it before and after workout ( I'm just waiting when they will tell me to shot it in the middle of workout!!!).the problem is that I didn't notice any good effect of that stuff,,,No pumps, no lower body fat,no better vascularity.Is it possible that is because of diet or something else?

**pavlenko** · 03-23-2007, 07:43 AM

might have been fake or improper storing

**kburek** · 03-23-2007, 09:27 AM

I store it in fridge, about 4 degrees celsius

**kburek** · 03-23-2007, 12:42 PM

I forgot to admit...The one effect which I noticed is that I have to go more often to toilet,just like after coffee...

**Microbrew** · 03-23-2007, 01:33 PM

I did 40mcg's 3x awk and loved it, I started mine about 8wks into my cycle that I was already running so not sure if that had anything to do with it. But my drop in bodyfat was amazing considering I didn't have alot of fat to begin with. Pumps were great and gained another 6lbs when I was at a plateau on my cycle. The cycle I was on was after a bridge of 2months of test which before the test was another cycle, so ofcourse I wasn't going to gain alot from the cycle I was on when I started my IGF since I've been on some kind of gear for 6 months. I haven't taken IGF by itself yet so I can't compare the difference on or off cycle.

Micro

**fossilfuel7** · 03-23-2007, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Microbrew

I did 40mcg's 3x awk and loved it, I started mine about 8wks into my cycle that I was already running so not sure if that had anything to do with it. But my drop in bodyfat was amazing considering I didn't have alot of fat to begin with. Pumps were great and gained another 6lbs when I was at a plateau on my cycle. The cycle I was on was after a bridge of 2months of test which before the test was another cycle, so ofcourse I wasn't going to gain alot from the cycle I was on when I started my IGF since I've been on some kind of gear for 6 months. I haven't taken IGF by itself yet so I can't compare the difference on or off cycle.

Micro

What kind of IGF were you using?......IGFlr3 or igf-1.....and what brand?

**Microbrew** · 03-24-2007, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by fossilfuel7

What kind of IGF were you using?......IGFlr3 or igf-1.....and what brand?

I just notice this is about IGF-1, I was taking IGF-r3.

Micro

***perfectbeast2001*** · 03-24-2007, 02:33 AM

I know the source is legit. IGF will not "lean you out" or give you huge noticable gains immediately. It aids in the growth of new muscle cells which if eating a good diet (im talking 100% spot on diet which you have been slowly gaining muscle with) will grow. If you want immediate and very noticable gains you should have run AS instead.

**kburek** · 03-24-2007, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

I know the source is legit. IGF will not "lean you out" or give you huge noticable gains immediately. It aids in the growth of new muscle cells which if eating a good diet (im talking 100% spot on diet which you have been slowly gaining muscle with) will grow. If you want immediate and very noticable gains you should have run AS instead.

But it's so different to what the others say.They see body fat reduction,strenght gains....
The other problem is that the first pack was stopped by US custom, so they resend me only half of that what I should get, claiming taht the pack is just lost and in that case they do not have to resend it at all.They could resend all if I would receive papers from custom,but because that happened in US only sender can ask about it( I call USPS so I know for sure).Why in that case they resend only half of that???And finally WHAT THEY RESEND TO ME??
Maybe they decided to send a placebo.I'm not acusing anyone, I just say it's all strange,especially comparing to effect's of other users of IGF-1 Lr3

***perfectbeast2001*** · 03-24-2007, 11:44 AM

who says BF reduction and strength gains? Whoever is telling you that obviously has zero knowledge about IGF use.

**NotSmall** · 03-24-2007, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

who says BF reduction and strength gains? Whoever is telling you that obviously has zero knowledge about IGF use.

I have heard ALOT of reports of bf reduction on LR3

**goose** · 03-24-2007, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by NotSmall

I have heard ALOT of reports of bf reduction on LR3

Thats what it is in my books a fat burner.

**Microbrew** · 03-24-2007, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by kburek

But it's so different to what the others say.They see body fat reduction,strenght gains....
The other problem is that the first pack was stopped by US custom, so they resend me only half of that what I should get, claiming taht the pack is just lost and in that case they do not have to resend it at all.They could resend all if I would receive papers from custom,but because that happened in US only sender can ask about it( I call USPS so I know for sure).Why in that case they resend only half of that???And finally WHAT THEY RESEND TO ME??
Maybe they decided to send a placebo.I'm not acusing anyone, I just say it's all strange,especially comparing to effect's of other users of IGF-1 Lr3

Dude are we talking about the long or short version so IGF?

Micro

**astrix79** · 03-24-2007, 01:28 PM

im running 50mcg PWO,,,,i have great pump it feels like im gonna explode
lower body fat and much more vascularity....
and im running on Blue Tops IGF-1 LR3

you will grow the next month wait and see give it some time

**Microbrew** · 03-24-2007, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

who says BF reduction and strength gains? Whoever is telling you that obviously has zero knowledge about IGF use.

Are you talking about IGF-1 LR3? Because I gained 6lbs, had to put 2 extra holes in my work belt, reduction in bf was very noticable, bumps were insane and lasted alot longer then usually and strength incase was very noticable also. With the extra 6lbs and losts of bf, I think the results I got were incredilble for only taking 40mcgs 3x awk. I took it for 5wks after my gains from the gear had slowed down, but like I said earlier maybe the synergy of the IGF and the gear I was on had alot to do with it.

Micro

**Slowhand** · 03-24-2007, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Microbrew

Are you talking about IGF-1 LR3? Because I gained 6lbs, had to put 2 extra holes in my work belt, reduction in bf was very noticable, bumps were insane and lasted alot longer then usually and strength incase was very noticable also. With the extra 6lbs and losts of bf, I think the results I got were incredilble for only taking 40mcgs 3x awk. I took it for 5wks after my gains from the gear had slowed down, but like I said earlier maybe the synergy of the IGF and the gear I was on had alot to do with it.

Micro

i'm sure the gear had a lot to do with it

**goose** · 03-24-2007, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Microbrew

Are you talking about IGF-1 LR3? Because I gained 6lbs, had to put 2 extra holes in my work belt, reduction in bf was very noticable, bumps were insane and lasted alot longer then usually and strength incase was very noticable also. With the extra 6lbs and losts of bf, I think the results I got were incredilble for only taking 40mcgs 3x awk. I took it for 5wks after my gains from the gear had slowed down, but like I said earlier maybe the synergy of the IGF and the gear I was on had alot to do with it.

Micro

You gained 6 pounds of muscle from the IGF cycle? No way

**Microbrew** · 03-24-2007, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

You gained 6 pounds of muscle from the IGF cycle? No way

I was 234lbs when I finished my IGF with a 32" waist. My waist is closer to 34" when I'm around that size. I was 228lb when I started the IGF, at 228lbs my waist is usually 33. My heaviest is 236lb with 34" waist. So I have been at that weight before but like I said not with that much of a reduction in BF and the 3D look that it was giving me. I was in my 7/8th wk of Sus, Tren and EQ and haven't gained any weight or notice any difference in my strength in the last 2wks. The only way for me to get up to 234 or more lbs is to take drol, eat my ass off and it's alot of water weight. It's very hard for me to gain weight no matter how much I juice or eat, trust me I've been doing this for over 17yrs and I know my body.

When I said I gained 6lbs and like I said I was at that body weight before, but those 6lbs were not the same 6lbs as before. I'm 38 and was 37 when I did the IGF, so that can make a big difference also just like GH.

I could of gotten to 234 without IGF but I would have a bigger waist and smoother looking body. I have a bad shoulder and cant really flat bench or bench alot of weight. But I was inclining 285lbs for 4 on the smith machine and when on IGF I did 300lbs for 4.

Micro

**kburek** · 03-25-2007, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by Microbrew

Dude are we talking about the long or short version so IGF?

Micro

I'm talking about Igf-1 Lr3

***perfectbeast2001*** · 03-25-2007, 07:10 AM

IGF has no known fat burning action. Any reduction in BF is thought to be caused by the increase in metabolism due to lean mass gain.

**vein5** · 03-25-2007, 07:27 AM

its funny b/c my waist size went up while on igf but after 1 week of ending the cycle my waist size went down. I think igf contributes to bloat, maybe b/c of the increased hunger.

**NotSmall** · 03-25-2007, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

IGF has no known fat burning action. Any reduction in BF is thought to be caused by the increase in metabolism due to lean mass gain.

Hmmm, so you think that bodyfat reduction during LR3 IGF-1 administration, of which there is a high volume of anecdotal evidence, is caused by an increase in lean mass, i.e. muscle tissue, caused by the LR3?

Either way, do you still stand by your statement:

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

who says BF reduction and strength gains? Whoever is telling you that obviously has zero knowledge about IGF use.

I only ask because you now seem to ackowledge that there is a degree of bf reduction from LR3 use, by whatever mechanism, and you state that there is an increase in lean mass great enough to increase metabolism - surely this increase in muscle mass would cause some strength gains, no?

***perfectbeast2001*** · 03-25-2007, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by NotSmall

Hmmm, so you think that bodyfat reduction during LR3 IGF-1 administration, of which there is a high volume of anecdotal evidence, is caused by an increase in lean mass, i.e. muscle tissue, caused by the LR3?

Either way, do you still stand by your statement:

I only ask because you now seem to ackowledge that there is a degree of bf reduction from LR3 use, by whatever mechanism, and you state that there is an increase in lean mass great enough to increase metabolism - surely this increase in muscle mass would cause some strength gains, no?

yes strength gains would be made eventually as a result of an increase in lean mass but it would not be apparent straight away and would be dependant on many variables including diet and training. Strength is not a DIRECT result of IGF use but if used properly then the equation bigger muscles = stronger would apply.

To put it in simple terms if used with a perfect diet and training regimen then IGF may yield an increase in lean mass over a period of time. An increase in lean mass may lead to a better body composition (less BF) and added strength. These are not thing you are going to see in a matter of days or maybe even weeks. I added size to my quads after using IGF followed by MONTHS of heavy lifting and a 100% spot on diet regimen.

**NotSmall** · 03-25-2007, 11:25 AM

So do you still stand by this statement:

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

who says BF reduction and strength gains? Whoever is telling you that obviously has zero knowledge about IGF use.

**Microbrew** · 03-25-2007, 01:32 PM

I've been on GH for 2 1/2 months and I just reached that second hole in the belt that I had to make using IGF. The 2 holes that I put in my belt equal 1 inch total.

All I can say is when on IGF I was able to eat what I wanted and usually I don't eat to bad not alot of junk food. But I was able to stuff myself and still lose BF. And If I can gain weight (not water weight) and lose an inch off my waist after already being 7/8 wk into my cycle that's great.

Micro

***perfectbeast2001*** · 03-25-2007, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by NotSmall

So do you still stand by this statement:

Yes and no! he will not get these things directly from IGF, he will get them (maybe) over the next few months of training. So 1. he wont even notice them at the moment it is too soon IMO. 2. He may not get them at all if his diet and training are sub par.

**NotSmall** · 03-25-2007, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

Yes and no! he will not get these things directly from IGF, he will get them (maybe) over the next few months of training. So 1. he wont even notice them at the moment it is too soon IMO.

So actually you think he may see these results, just not yet - so it may have been a little strong to state that anyone who suggested that IGF would yield bf loss and strength gains had zero knowledge on the subject!

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

2. He may not get them at all if his diet and training are sub par.

Surely that is a given?