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    IGF burning fat better than the HGH???!

    Hi,

    I have been on HGH for around 7weeks now and am at 4ius per day split into 2shots per day. My first 4 weeks I used IGF-1 LR3 which totalled 1mg. I thought that I didnt notice anything at all from the IGF and I kind of put it down to the fact that one night the fridge door was left open (Where I keep my IGF) and assumed that it ruined it, but I continued anyway. It was only mixed with the sterile water it came with but was meant to keep it aroun 3degs all the time.

    Anyway, After the first 4 weeks, I went on holiday for 3 weeks (Coming to an end now) and those first 4 weeks fat was just falling off my stomach (Check my other posts). I put this down to the HGH. Now, for the past 3 weeks since coming off the IGF, I havent noticed anything in regards to the loss of body fat. While on holiday, I have still trained well at a gym averaging EOD. My diet, although not perfect, it has been far from bad, Ive had my protein/weight gain shakes etc (Weight gain is mainly carbs for before and after the gym). I will say though that I have not been regular with my food, definately not every 3/4hours eating.

    So, all I can think was that my fat loss was down to the IGF?? Or, its just slowed down now it has dropped a lot and reached a plateau?? Any ideas or thoughts? Was it the IGF doing the job?

    One more question, if its OK.

    while on HGH and AAS (Which I will be in about 3/4weeks), Can I train more and eat more while still losing fat?? Or do I need to worry about keeping my calories below the amount of calories used per day?? I would normally try to burn about 500 cals less than I eat when cutting. How should protein and carbs be? Again, I would normally be about 200-300g protein per day and low carbs when cutting. My aims are just to keep or gain a little muscle while losing as much fat as possible. The more muscle the better though !

    Thanks,

    darren

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    If you expect HGH to help you loose fat you are mistaken, unless you are taking HIGH doses of HGH ed which would be too expensive for an average person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavlenko
    If you expect HGH to help you loose fat you are mistaken, unless you are taking HIGH doses of HGH ed which would be too expensive for an average person.
    i disagree, i believe fat loss can be achieved eventually with even a lower dose of hgh (ie. 2-3iu ED)

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    i noticed considerable fat loss whilst on IGF even eating a pretty unclean deit, I was hungry all the time and ate everytime i was hungry.

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    HGH burns fat at 4ius, no doubt about that. It is localised fat burning also.

    And maybe BITTA, me and you have noticed the same effects from the IGF. I start IGF at the end of this cycle again so I will find out for definate then.

    If anyone else has any input that would be great, thanks everyone.

    daz

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    I've read a lot about HGH and fat loss.... I'm on Saizen at 2 i.u's ed and was told to expect fat loss..... but then again I'm also taking winstrol, clen and t3.....

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    HGH at higher doses made me melt it off but that was 8ius ED and I couldnt handle it more than 3 weeks and i had to stop b/c of bp and arthritis. But IGF at 80mcg ED definatly melted the fat off me.

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    Nice thanks for that. Im pretty sure part of the good things of HGH is fat loss so I dont know why some say to not expect that.

    anyway, ill see how things go, cheers

    daz

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    igf = insuline growth factor
    How do you expect this peptide to help you to be lean ?
    igf will help you to build new cells , and has anticatabolic action.

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    so this thread has got me thinking..... will my 2i.u.'s of Saizen ed for 10.5 weeks with winny/t3/clen do anything for me or is it a waste? seems everyone in this thread and others is saying they take 4iu's and 8 iu's etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripmachine
    so this thread has got me thinking..... will my 2i.u.'s of Saizen ed for 10.5 weeks with winny/t3/clen do anything for me or is it a waste? seems everyone in this thread and others is saying they take 4iu's and 8 iu's etc...

    it's ok with this cycle.
    Try it , i think you will get very good results , your combo is great for cuting .
    You should add some tren . ( but will suppress your libido )

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    hmm.... well i'm glad to hear this cycle should be ok..... I might end up getting another 10 weeks worth of HGH.... I don't think I can get any tren but I wouldn't want to have tren dick... ;] cool Thanks for the info.

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    but winstrol will kill your libido too

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    Bro, I started taking 4ius ed, after about a month when up to 6ius ed, and 4 months in to it, i am seeing amazing results. who ever says hgh doesn't eat fat there crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    but winstrol will kill your libido too

    ahhhhhhh lol damn are you serious? hmm... this calls for some test! should i run any kind of test while on a cutting cycle or does that not make sense?

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    yeah you should add some test prop

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    igf = insuline growth factor
    How do you expect this peptide to help you to be lean ?
    igf will help you to build new cells , and has anticatabolic action.
    Please elaborate.

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    Some people argue igf will make you lean , i think that is incorrect .
    Hgh will make you lean , because it has an amino acids sequence , that has been isolated , it's the famous 177-191 sequence.
    igf is the result of the hgh transformation in the liver, and it is the amino acid sequence able to make hyperplasia ( cells duplication ) , that the only thing that can make this , AAS will only make the cells bigger but will not duplicate them.
    IGF is a muscle builder , as it is duplicate cells.
    Some people argue that they have loose some fat , but even with tren you can loose it
    The only thing it's the cells duplication need energy and nutriments .
    Your body will find them where ?
    In the energy stock ( cells fat ) , and in your blood.
    that's the reason why you can find people said they have loose wheight/fat.
    But the 1st aim of igf as it's name shows , it is a peptide that will make you bigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    Some people argue igf will make you lean , i think that is incorrect .
    Hgh will make you lean , because it has an amino acids sequence , that has been isolated , it's the famous 177-191 sequence.
    igf is the result of the hgh transformation in the liver, and it is the amino acid sequence able to make hyperplasia ( cells duplication ) , that the only thing that can make this , AAS will only make the cells bigger but will not duplicate them.
    IGF is a muscle builder , as it is duplicate cells.
    Some people argue that they have loose some fat , but even with tren you can loose it
    The only thing it's the cells duplication need energy and nutriments .
    Your body will find them where ?
    In the energy stock ( cells fat ) , and in your blood.
    that's the reason why you can find people said they have loose wheight/fat.
    But the 1st aim of igf as it's name shows , it is a peptide that will make you bigger.
    There is an overwhelming amount of anecdotal evidence that disagrees with you though isn't there?

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    Remember : this is only what i think and what i discover on myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavlenko
    If you expect HGH to help you loose fat you are mistaken, unless you are taking HIGH doses of HGH ed which would be too expensive for an average person.

    At 4iu's 5on/2off is where I start to notice fat loss. I don't think that is unrealistic for the average person.
    That's pretty much the only effects that I feel at a dose that low however.

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    I am on 4ius every day and its been 7weeks now. If the fat loss was from the HGH, why has it stopped (Or seemed to) now? It felt like fat was melting off me in those first 4 weeks (When I was on IGF also). Now, nothing apart from the aching finger joints, hard getting up on morning, pins n needles bla bla bla!

    Mind you, Those first 4 weeks I have missed what could be a large part out. I used use for those 4weeks and also upped my nightly T4 intake to 150mcgs. Maybe that was the reason. BUT, I have used ECA many times in the past and not noticed anything like this by far. I havent used T4 before but I have T3, along with clen/ECA and still nothing like this. Maybe one or some of them are working in synergy and produce great results?!?

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    IGF melts fat off of me it seems.

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    rumor has it, cardio has a similar effect for a fraction of the cost


    studies are still pending tho....

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    Quote Originally Posted by plzr8
    rumor has it, cardio has a similar effect for a fraction of the cost


    studies are still pending tho....
    Maybe you should try it - you never do know!

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    IGF never leaned me out at all. It added size. GH on the other hand...

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    Very interesting info here that goes against the fat loss effects I noticed -

    • In another rat study, researchers found that GH acts differently than IGF-1 does when given to test subjects. More to the point, GH treatment specifically lowers white adipose tissue (the most abundant type of body fat), while IGF-1 positively effects the brown adipose tissue (12). When GH is taken into the body, it’s metabolized into IGF-1, amongst other compounds. Combining GH and IGF-1, however, was found to increase body fat, while IGF-1 alone enhanced an agent known as Uncoupling Protein (UCP-1), which positively effects (decreases) body fat levels. Likewise, GH alone was found to reduce fat tissue also (white adipose tissue). The take home message is not to combine GH and IGF-1 into any fat loss routine. Their use for fat loss should be one or the other, not both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazbo
    Very interesting info here that goes against the fat loss effects I noticed -

    • In another rat study, researchers found that GH acts differently than IGF-1 does when given to test subjects. More to the point, GH treatment specifically lowers white adipose tissue (the most abundant type of body fat), while IGF-1 positively effects the brown adipose tissue (12). When GH is taken into the body, it’s metabolized into IGF-1, amongst other compounds. Combining GH and IGF-1, however, was found to increase body fat, while IGF-1 alone enhanced an agent known as Uncoupling Protein (UCP-1), which positively effects (decreases) body fat levels. Likewise, GH alone was found to reduce fat tissue also (white adipose tissue). The take home message is not to combine GH and IGF-1 into any fat loss routine. Their use for fat loss should be one or the other, not both.
    Hmmm - where did that come from Dazbo?

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    http://www.*************/readArticle...?id=462109&cr=

    from there t - nation, testosterone nation. It just cant be right wurely otherwise my first 4weeks I would have gained fat?!?

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    go to ******** or testosterone nation and it is under articles,most recent. I dont use this site so cant vouvh for its credibility though I just came across after a google search.

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    I've been on GH since January and back in November I took IGF for 5wks and lost more Bodyfat in those 5wks compare to 8 months on GH. And I eat like a pig on IGF.

    Micro

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    Micro what was your cycle of igf like? 5days a week 7? and at what dosage?

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    Its strange because, when I was on the IGF, I had mixed it with the sterile water it came with and kept it in the fridge the whole time (Apparently mixed with the wrong solution). But one night the fridge door was left wide open so, I assumed that the IGF was ruined but just in case, I continued it.

    Now its seeming like it might have done something afterall?!? Shouldnt the warmth have killed it off too??

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    Quote Originally Posted by R**85
    Micro what was your cycle of igf like? 5days a week 7? and at what dosage?
    I did my IGF 3x awk, when I did chest I would inject 20mcg in each pec and same with bi's and tri's 20mcg each side.

    I started the IGF when I felt like I hit a plateu in the TrenE, Sus and EQ cycle I was on, I gained around 5 more lbs and had to put 2 more holes in my belt. The holes probably made up one actually belt size.

    I'v been on GH since Jan and I still can't get to that last hole I put in my belt, I never diet and didnt while on IGF, I really don't eat like shit anyway.

    I have to make a doctors appointment because I do have this hard growth like knot under my right rib cage, that I have to get checked out. \

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    notice any spec. site growth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazbo
    Its strange because, when I was on the IGF, I had mixed it with the sterile water it came with and kept it in the fridge the whole time (Apparently mixed with the wrong solution). But one night the fridge door was left wide open so, I assumed that the IGF was ruined but just in case, I continued it.

    Now its seeming like it might have done something afterall?!? Shouldnt the warmth have killed it off too??
    Nah, IGF is fine at room temp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotSmall
    Nah, IGF is fine at room temp.
    not with sterile water.
    It's fine with AA solution.

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    Thats what I was told - after id mixed mine (As per instructions) with the stuff it came with! I want to get some AA sol. but dont know where to go so if anyone can PM me that would be great, its for when I finish my HGH cycle in 4.5months time though.

    thanks

    darren

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    Quote Originally Posted by R**85
    notice any spec. site growth?
    Only while I was on, an ex girl friend of mine that I work with, made of comment about how much bigger my chest looked. My chest is probably my weakest point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    not with sterile water.
    It's fine with AA solution.
    I did not know that.

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