Question on GH/SLIN 1st run

[vaeltaire]

I did two shows this summer. This was my first year to compete. I need some more size before I compete next summer so I am gonna try the GH/Slin combo. I have a few questions:

1. I have Humalog. Lets sat I inject at 7:00 pm when would be a safe time for me to be bale to go to sleep? 4 hours after injection? Gonna start out at 4iu's and up it an iu each day to desired does. Got a BG monitor too.

2. Gonna do 10g carbs per iu and 65-90 mg of whey 10min after my injection correct? is 5g glutamine ok to add to the shake? Have read different thigs about this.

3. My last meal I have before I go to bed is 3 scoops of ultra size by beverly nutrition. I know you are supposed to stay away from fats after injection. I have read that after 2 1/2 hours after your shot fats are ok. Is this true? this would be my meal at 10:30 pm Nutrition info:
1 scoop
Total Fat 4g
Saturated Fat 3g
Cholesterol 30mg
Sodium 130mg
Total Carbohydrates 5g
Sugars 2g
Protein 17g

Ok now for the GH questions:

1. If I am doing 4 wk burts. What dosage would you think would be best. 6-10iu's ED with working up to 10iu's of slin pwo? Would it be better to split the GH dose into 2 shots and do half my does in the morning and half after workout or just do it all in one shot after workout?

2. On non workout days should I stick to the same GH dosage like on workout days? or should I split the shots up 1 in the morning and 1 mid afternoon or just all in one shoot in the morning?

3. Do you not have to ramp up to a certain does if you are doing 4 week burst casue I know If you are doing 5 on 2 off you would have too. Again this will be my first run with gh. If the sides get to bad with starting out with my max does should I just back of the does some?

4. Will be doing t4 100mcg daily for the 4 weeks I am on. Is it ok to come off the t4 after my four weeks then jump back on it for my 4 week burst and so on like this untill I am through?

5. How many 4 weeks burst of GH/Slin would be safe to do?

6. Should I shoot the GH/Slin in the same muscle or does it matter?

This is waht I was gonna do for a diet while on GH/SLIN gonna be throwing in some AS too after my 1st 4 week burst. I have to do shakes for meals 2 and 4. There is no way I would have time to eat.


Meal 1: 7:00 am
1 cup oatmeal
3 scoops mass maker by beverly:
Serving size 3 scoops
Fat Calories 15
Total Fat (g) 1.5
Sat. Fat (g) 0
Cholesterol (mg) 0
Sodium (mg) 140
Potassium (mg) 300
Total Carbs (g) 43
Dietary Fiber (g) 0
Sugars (g) 2
Proteins (g) 20

7 egg whites
2 whole eggs


Meal 2: 10:00 am
2 scoops ultra size:
Serving size 1 scoop
Total Fat 4g
Saturated Fat 3g
Cholesterol 30mg
Sodium 130mg
Total Carbohydrates 5g
Sugars 2g
Protein 17g

2 scoops cyto gainer:
[B]Serving Size (scoop) 4
Servings Per 18
Calories 610
Total Fat (g) 3.5
Sat. Fat (g) 2
Cholesterol (mg) 100
Sodium (mg) 110
Potassium (mg) 395
Total Carbs (g) 84
Dietary Fiber (g) 1
Sugars (g) 5
Proteins (g) 54


Meal 3: 1:00
10oz sirloin
10oz sweet potato
baby spinach non fat dressing

Meal 4: 4:00 same as meal 2

workout at 5:00 or 5:30pm
after workout GH/Slin shot
10 carbs per iu of slin and 65-90 g protein 5g glutamine ok to add to shake?


Meal 5: one hour after shot
10oz chicken or fish
2 cups broccoli
10 sweet potatoe or brown rice

What do you think about this meal? What would be the best ppwo meal?


Meal 6: 2 1/2 hours after injection
3 scoops ultra size nutrition info:
1 scoop
Total Fat 4g
Saturated Fat 3g
Cholesterol 30mg
Sodium 130mg
Total Carbohydrates 5g
Sugars 2g
Protein 17g


I know it's a lot of questions but If I am gonna do this I am gonna do it right and have all my bases covered. I thank everybody that takes the time to read this and give me there input. Let me know what ya think.

[Gear]

Hi,

1: What you said is correct.

2: That's also fine, but your protein shake already has aminos so there is probably no need for more. I usually have my aminos immidietly PWO and my whey 15min later when the humalog kicks in. Either way will get the job done.

3: If the GH sides get really bad you will have no choice but to lower the current dosage. Keep on doing that till you can bare the sides.

Your meal at 10:30 is fine as it hardly consists of any fat anyway.

I would defenitely start on a lower dose when using GH, and if you are going to be running it ED then I believe 10IU will bring some serious muscle benefits. Start on about 4IU split into 2 shots, 1 in the AM upon waking up and 1 in the early afternoon.

If you happen to increase the dose (which you probably will) then your best times to take your GH are the times mentioned above as well prior workout and PWO. Some take it before bed as well but not everybody agrees with this. Personally, I think it's a good idea, but each to their own.

On your OFF days, nothing changes when it comes to GH. Same dose, same injection protocol.

With the insulin , I would start on a low dose like the GH and increase if necessary.

You can start and end your T4 cycle whenever you want.

With insulin, everybody is different. Obviously the less we use the better it is for us, but then again you can say that about all the drugs we use. I use this compound 4 weeks ON/OFF quite often and never have any issues. Some people run it for longer but like I said, each to their own. If you are wondering what the risks are if you run it for longer, well like I said, some users use insulin for months and never have any issues, some such as myself prefer to cycle it ON/OFF.

Shoot your GH Sub-Q and insulin IM. It doesn't matter where you inject insulin. I usually inject in my bis as it is convinient.

I'll have to get back to you about the diet, I don't have enough time now. You're best of checking out the diet forum though.

-Gear

[vaeltaire]

But don't you need to keep carbs away from your GH injection. Lets say if I wake up at 4 and take a few units then eat my first meal at seven with carbs, fat, protein. will that be good?

[Gear]

Yes stay away from carbs around injection time. Wake up, have your GH, have a shower, watch some TV then have your breakfast. Not sure where I wrote to eat around injection time, my bad if I did.

-Gear

[rodge]

my point of view:

if you gonna use 10iu hgh ed then shoot 4iu AM with a litle insulin (4iu)

the other 6iu i would shoot pwo with insulin IM bilateral in the muscle worked. if worked 2 muscle groups ed then shoot it in one muscle group week 1, in the other muscle on the next workout (or in case of lagging muscle each time).

by taking insulin with the hgh you can/must take carbs with it. and since you want to bulk up... eat,eat,eat.

eat more solid foods and less shakes.

the litle fat in your breakfast won't make you a fat bastard while running such a dose of hgh.

eat more veggies

how about aas? planning on running any?

-rodge

[Gear]

my point of view:

if you gonna use 10iu hgh ed then shoot 4iu AM with a litle insulin (4iu)

the other 6iu i would shoot pwo with insulin IM bilateral in the muscle worked. if worked 2 muscle groups ed then shoot it in one muscle group week 1, in the other muscle on the next workout (or in case of lagging muscle each time).

by taking insulin with the hgh you can/must take carbs with it. and since you want to bulk up... eat,eat,eat.

eat more solid foods and less shakes.

the litle fat in your breakfast won't make you a fat bastard while running such a dose of hgh.

eat more veggies

how about aas? planning on running any?

-rodge

That's another way of running it, but we don't want to run into the HGH/carbs issue. So, IMO I would take the HGH prior workout, and insulin PWO. This way you can take your carbs PWO as it's needed with insulin while by-passing the GH/carbs issue at the same time.

-Gear

[vaeltaire]

Yeah. I plan on running:
M-T750mcg ed wks 1-3
Test enan 900mg 1-16 wks
anavar 100mg ed untill i run out
fina 100mg ed 4-16
arimidex 0.5 ed

Is it ok to consume fats 2 1/2 hours after slin? how long would you say stay away from fats after the shot?

Do you think my ppow workout meal that I will be eating an hour after my slin shot is ok?

Thanks for the input guys

[rodge]

That's another way of running it, but we don't want to run into the HGH/carbs issue. So, IMO I would take the HGH prior workout, and insulin PWO. This way you can take your carbs PWO as it's needed with insulin while by-passing the GH/carbs issue at the same time.

-Gear

don't worry about carbs when you combine hgh/slin in one shot. they (hgh/slin) compliment each other perfectly in storing amino acids/glycogeen.

-rodge