Dieting on Slin

**ChuckLee** · 10-31-2007, 01:17 PM

I'm about starting a slin cycle at 5IU of Humulin R in the morning/ed, and I've planned my diet this way (first meals of the day):

10min post inj.: 50gr dextrose + 40gr protein shake, meal (15gr proteins + 35gr carbs)
2.5 hours post inj.: meal (35gr proteins + 45gr carbs)
5 hours post inj.: meal (35gr proteins + 85gr carbs)

Now, a friend of mine told me that he used to make a shake of lot of proteins and carbs and consumed it through three hours after injection...(no meals)
I have some doubt if this protocol could be right for me too?
Thanks

**Gear** · 11-01-2007, 12:51 AM

R is not the fastest acting insulin so I'd probably use something such as Novolog or Humalog, but R can still be used it's just more of a hassle to use due to its on-set/active times.

Anyway, I have a better way of using insulin...

R's on-set time is 30min post injection. This means it will not be in effect till 30min after you have injected it. So, there would be no point in taking your protein shake 10min post injection when insulin won't be able to shuttle that protein till another 20min has passed. Hope that makes sense, if it doesn't let me know. So, in this case, I would take your protein shake 30min post injection (when insulin is fully active). When you do have your protein shake, since insulin is able to shuttle nutrients into cells at a faster rate than usual, you should take advantage of this by having more than 40g of protein. I usually have about 70g. Having standard amounts of nutrients while using insulin defeats the purpose of using insulin in the first place. Insulin will allow your body to absorb more nutrients than usual, so let's ensure the amount of supps/foods we consume is higher than usual.

As for your dextrose, even thought insulin isn't in effect till 30min post injection, I would still take it immidietly PWO because your body needs simple carbohydrates for recovery purposes right after you train.

1.5hrs post injection I'd have a meal. Something with minimum fats and a good amount of carbphydrates and protein. I usually have baked potatoes and grilled chicken.

2.0hrs later I'd have the same meal again, or you can eat something else just ensure its low in fat and there are a good amount of carbohydrates and protein involved.

3.0hrs later I would have another meal, and by the time you have your next meal insulin will no longer be active therefore you can eat as you usually do.

This is the problem with Humalin-R, you have to watch your fats pretty much all day long because it's active for so long. Insulins such as Humalog are in your system for only 4hrs, therefore you only have to watch what you eat for 4hrs, not 1/2 a day. This is why I say R is more of a hassle to use than LOG or Novo.

What your friend does by having shakes only isn't doing the wrong thing, but the way I layed out how to use insulin is more beneficial. You see, your friend is only consuming shakes which is processed nutrients. I like to consume whole foods (non processed nutrients) because your body will always react and absorb non processed foods better than processed foods such as shakes.

There is also another interesting way of using Humalin-R, if you would like to hear it let me know.

Good luck to you.

-Gear

**Gear** · 11-01-2007, 12:58 AM

I just realised you are taking in the AM and not PWO like I thought. If that's the case, follow what I said above and you can still consume some dextrose immidietly post injection. It's always good to be safe than sorry.

-Gear

**ChuckLee** · 11-02-2007, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by Gear

I just realised you are taking in the AM and not PWO like I thought. If that's the case, follow what I said above and you can still consume some dextrose immidietly post injection. It's always good to be safe than sorry.

-Gear

Yes, it is first thing in the morning.
I understood how to plain meals now (thank you), but for the dextrose shake, will i take it immediately after inject, even if my slin is the "R" type?

**Gear** · 11-02-2007, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

Yes, it is first thing in the morning.
I understood how to plain meals now (thank you), but for the dextrose shake, will i take it immediately after inject, even if my slin is the "R" type?

Yes, take it immidietly post injection even when using R. You see, when you inject insulin , the effect build up starts immidietly but the full effect doesn't occur till about 30min later. This means even though insulin isn't in full effect till 30min post injection, your blood glucose may still be effected before then.

Just ensure you always have glucose on you while insulin is active. The second you start to feel hypo is the second you start consuming fast acting carbohydrates (simple sugars; dextrose, maltodextrin etc).

-Gear

**ChuckLee** · 11-02-2007, 03:09 AM

Ok, maybe I haven't explicated well: I'll take R first thing in the morning, NOT PWO.
For PWO I'll have the short acting (Humalog).

**Gear** · 11-02-2007, 03:11 AM

Take it immidietly post injection.

-Gear

**ChuckLee** · 11-02-2007, 03:20 AM

OK.
Thank you for all the advices.
CL

**green22** · 11-03-2007, 09:27 PM

Ive found that to be the problem with R. it takes to long and no fats for 5 hrs and eating every 1.5 hrs is tough when you workout at night then need to go to bed. Gear thanks for the info. Ill prob. be picking your brain for more info.

**Gear** · 11-04-2007, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by green22

Ive found that to be the problem with R. it takes to long and no fats for 5 hrs and eating every 1.5 hrs is tough when you workout at night then need to go to bed. Gear thanks for the info. Ill prob. be picking your brain for more info.

Not a drama, anytime.

-Gear