HGH W/T4 eod??

**blue_moon** · 11-13-2007, 11:14 PM

I am planning on using my HGH via the theory from Anthony Roberts with a every other day protocol.

I also just read his article on the positives from combining T4 with HGH.

My quetion is if I plan to use the HGH every other day, would the T4 then also be ran every other day?

As of right now my plan is to go 3iu's eod w/50mcg of t4 eod...

thoughts and suggestions are extremely appreciated.

Thanks,
BM

**Gear** · 11-14-2007, 12:28 AM

Since HGH lowers your T4, it would be wise to take it ED. Having said this, it doesn't necessaraly mean T4 is required on OFF days. I've always taken my T4 ED, never had any issues.

-Gear

**IntenseAthlete** · 11-14-2007, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Gear

Since HGH lowers your T4, it would be wise to take it ED. Having said this, it doesn't necessaraly mean T4 is required on OFF days. I've always taken my T4 ED, never had any issues.

-Gear

Do u supplement t4 all the time with your HGH?Does HGH lower or offset any other hormone/mineral or vitamins?

**Gear** · 11-14-2007, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by Jonnycerious

Do u supplement t4 all the time with your HGH?Does HGH lower or offset any other hormone/mineral or vitamins?

If I have access to T4 and I am using HGH, then yes I will always use T4 with HGH.

As mentioned above, HGH lowers T4, and it also tends to effect blood glucose levels as well. If one was to use HGH I would defenitely monitor blood glucose levels whenever possible.

-Gear

**fossilfuel7** · 11-14-2007, 03:54 AM

Originally Posted by Gear

If I have access to T4 and I am using HGH, then yes I will always use T4 with HGH.

As mentioned above, HGH lowers T4, and it also tends to effect blood glucose levels as well. If one was to use HGH I would defenitely monitor blood glucose levels whenever possible.

-Gear

Gear, in your opinion..do you think that someone can use GH for years at a reasonable dose of 2-3iu's and avoid hurting your blood glucose levels if you follow a good diet and always avoid carbs or food within that couple hour window around injection time?

I'm pretty much asking for myself and hope this is not taken as a Hijack

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I have no family history of diabetes on either side of the family either.

**Gear** · 11-14-2007, 05:36 AM

This topic is quite tough to discuss since everybody is different. Going by experience, I know a ton of guys who have used HGH for extended period of time and never had any issues. The only time users run into blood glucose problems is while they're on HGH because at that time HGH can certainly mess around with your body's blood glucose. However, once discontinuing the use of HGH, levels usually return back to normal.

I also know there have been professional bodybuilders in the past who have turned diabetic. However, we all know pro bodybuilders use all kind of componds such as HGH, insulin , IGF and AAS which all effect blood glucose. So which compound is to blame? Perhaps these users turned diabetic for a totally different reason outside drug use? Like I said, it's a tough topic to discuss, but as mentioned above, I know many guys who have used HGH for years without breaks and have never had any blood glucose problems. As a matter of fact, I "personally" don't know anybody who has had "major/permenant "blood glucose problems due to HGH use, and I know quite a few HGH users.

Another thing we must take into account is the user. If the user has a diabetic history, then obviously they would be taking more of a risk than an average perfectly healthy Dick and Harry.

So my overall conclusion is this: Going by what I have said above, IMO it would be fairly safe to say that there is a small chance that HGH use can cause serious blood glucose problems. However, it also depends on the user but it would be difficult to get an exact answer without a study.

-Gear

**blue_moon** · 11-14-2007, 08:37 AM

thanks for the reply Gear... answered my question directly.

I appreciate that...

**IntenseAthlete** · 11-14-2007, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Gear

This topic is quite tough to discuss since everybody is different. Going by experience, I know a ton of guys who have used HGH for extended period of time and never had any issues. The only time users run into blood glucose problems is while they're on HGH because at that time HGH can certainly mess around with your body's blood glucose. However, once discontinuing the use of HGH, levels usually return back to normal.

I also know there have been professional bodybuilders in the past who have turned diabetic. However, we all know pro bodybuilders use all kind of componds such as HGH, insulin , IGF and AAS which all effect blood glucose. So which compound is to blame? Perhaps these users turned diabetic for a totally different reason outside drug use? Like I said, it's a tough topic to discuss, but as mentioned above, I know many guys who have used HGH for years without breaks and have never had any blood glucose problems. As a matter of fact, I "personally" don't know anybody who has had "major/permenant "blood glucose problems due to HGH use, and I know quite a few HGH users.

Another thing we must take into account is the user. If the user has a diabetic history, then obviously they would be taking more of a risk than an average perfectly healthy Dick and Harry.

So my overall conclusion is this: Going by what I have said above, IMO it would be fairly safe to say that there is a small chance that HGH use can cause serious blood glucose problems. However, it also depends on the user but it would be difficult to get an exact answer without a study.

-Gear

Do think cjc-1295 would have the same issue?Or is this realted to synthetic recombant GH?

**Gear** · 11-14-2007, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Jonnycerious

Do think cjc-1295 would have the same issue?Or is this realted to synthetic recombant GH?

That would be the case for anything that effects blood glucose in the same kind of manner.

-Gear

**majorpecs** · 11-14-2007, 02:37 PM

so i thought supplementing with t3 was good enough? is t4 a better choice?

**blue_moon** · 11-14-2007, 03:56 PM

I shot an email to AR and he responded with ed on T4... He also stated that 3iu's eod is too low dose.

for helping an athlete stay lean, helping with recovery and ligament/tendon strength what would be an optimal dose?

All research I have done people are using 2iu's and ramping up to 3iu's after a month or so...

**PSUKICKSASS** · 11-15-2007, 01:14 AM

So what is this window exactly? Is this why it is recommended to take slin or glucophage while takng growth? when should we monitor our blood sugar levels? Does T4 have to be taken on an empty stomach like T3?

Originally Posted by fossilfuel7

Gear, in your opinion..do you think that someone can use GH for years at a reasonable dose of 2-3iu's and avoid hurting your blood glucose levels if you follow a good diet and always avoid carbs or food within that couple hour window around injection time?

I'm pretty much asking for myself and hope this is not taken as a Hijack

.

I have no family history of diabetes on either side of the family either.

**Gear** · 11-15-2007, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by blue_moon

for helping an athlete stay lean, helping with recovery and ligament/tendon strength what would be an optimal dose?

Usually lower doses are required, perhaps 2 - 4IU per day.

-Gear

**Gear** · 11-15-2007, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by PSUKICKSASS

So what is this window exactly? Is this why it is recommended to take slin or glucophage while takng growth? when should we monitor our blood sugar levels? Does T4 have to be taken on an empty stomach like T3?

If something is effecting your body's blood glucose, then you need to monitor your BG levels as well as control them.

T4 in the AM will work, but it is better to take it before bed.

-Gear

**fossilfuel7** · 11-15-2007, 04:35 AM

Thanks much Gear!!

You gave exactly the answer I was looking for.

P

**PSUKICKSASS** · 11-15-2007, 09:32 AM

Ok so i read on another thead about not taking in carbs 1 hr before injections and 1 hour after. Does carbs hinder the GH in some way? I have read alot of info on GH and never read anything about the carb intake. If i took 850 mgs of glucophage w/ my GH i should eat carbs correct? or would i want them to be seperate doses?

What dose of T4 would you recommend? I am 185lbs running a repair cycle for my achillies tendon tear. 4iu's/ed 5 on 2 off, w/ 100mg Test Prop EOD.

Originally Posted by Gear

If something is effecting your body's blood glucose, then you need to monitor your BG levels as well as control them.

T4 in the AM will work, but it is better to take it before bed.

-Gear

**Gear** · 11-15-2007, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by PSUKICKSASS

Ok so i read on another thead about not taking in carbs 1 hr before injections and 1 hour after. Does carbs hinder the GH in some way? I have read alot of info on GH and never read anything about the carb intake. If i took 850 mgs of glucophage w/ my GH i should eat carbs correct? or would i want them to be seperate doses?

What dose of T4 would you recommend? I am 185lbs running a repair cycle for my achillies tendon tear. 4iu's/ed 5 on 2 off, w/ 100mg Test Prop EOD.

Carbohydrates around HGH injection will interfere with your livers ability to uptake glucose. If you do happend to consume carbs and HGH at the same time it won't make the HGH totally useless though.

-Gear

**PSUKICKSASS** · 11-15-2007, 10:38 AM

Thanx

**blue_moon** · 11-15-2007, 11:58 AM

Gear, you have been bad ass with the help and patience.

Thanks for clearing up a lot of our questions and concerns. It's well appreciated.

**Gear** · 11-15-2007, 10:19 PM

Not a problem blue, all the best.

-Gear

**Mr.Bombastic** · 12-12-2007, 04:34 PM

Gear some people use glucophage after using slin.. can u explain why? and whats the benefits?

**easyuser** · 12-12-2007, 05:18 PM

Gear,
Am new to this forum but have been running gh for bout 3 yrs now. 2ius a day.
Going to really show my ignorance here, but what the heck. What is t4 and should I be taking it along with my 2ius.
I've been learing alot just reading these threads, but don't know what some of the initials stand for.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

**Gear** · 12-12-2007, 06:45 PM

T4 (thyroxine) is thyroid medicine. HGH will work without it, but it would be wise to use this drug while on HGH since HGH lowers your T4.

-Gear

**easyuser** · 12-12-2007, 06:50 PM

Thanks for the info. Amazing how much you can learn from guys who have "been around the block." thanks

**Mr.Bombastic** · 12-12-2007, 06:51 PM

Gear can u answer to my question please?

**Gear** · 12-12-2007, 06:59 PM

Sorry Bombastic, I saw your question but totally forgot about it.

People take gluco to control their blood sugar levels. Glucophage is actually diabetes medicine for type 2 diabetics.

This stuff is not necessary when using isnulin. If you know how to time your nutrition right, that's all you need to control your blood glucose.

Thanks Bombastic.

-Gear

**Mr.Bombastic** · 12-13-2007, 02:07 AM

Thanks Gear!

But after using insulin you dont see any benefits using that? I saw some people using that after a cycle of insulin..

Take care

**kesam1** · 12-13-2007, 03:36 AM

I have looked around the BB forums and the medical forums and the effect on Blood Glucose readings when using GH seems to be far stronger on your average person than a training body-builder. The first thing a doc will tell anyone with impaired glucose tolerance or diabetes2 is to get off their arse and start doing some physical exercise, Body-builders are already generally training their arses off and IMHO this counteracts a lot of the insulin resistance created by GH. I have certainly seen that when I am training and taking 2iu ed that the effect is minimised but if I don't get myself down the gym the I actually reach diabetic levels. In addition upon cessation of the GH my BG goes back to normal.

**reconforce4** · 12-14-2007, 01:02 AM

how about thermogenics with hgh, safer solution that thryoid hormones?

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-14-2007, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by reconforce4

how about thermogenics with hgh, safer solution that thryoid hormones?

The thyroid hormones are not about safer.They are about supplementing to replace the offsets in hormones caused by HGH.Although thyroids are a common fat burning compound

Reguarding thermogenics,T-3, hgh and clen are a common fat burning combo on this forum.After trying all 3, hgh is the best IMO.

Safety, therms like clen and others that is debatable as well but anything that makes you feel like clen cant be good for you on the long term.

Jonny

**Wulfpac** · 12-18-2007, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Gear

If something is effecting your body's blood glucose, then you need to monitor your BG levels as well as control them.

T4 in the AM will work, but it is better to take it before bed.

-Gear

gear, i know you suggest taking t4 around bedtime, have searched around to see what reasons, but was wondering why do you think bedtime is the best, am on 3iu of hematrope first thing in morning and getting ready to add t4. was thinking morning or midday for taking t4, if taken around bedtime, wouldn't it interfere with sleep, since it is supposed to raise energy levels and heart rate? thanks

**Gear** · 12-20-2007, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Wulfpac

gear, i know you suggest taking t4 around bedtime, have searched around to see what reasons, but was wondering why do you think bedtime is the best, am on 3iu of hematrope first thing in morning and getting ready to add t4. was thinking morning or midday for taking t4, if taken around bedtime, wouldn't it interfere with sleep, since it is supposed to raise energy levels and heart rate? thanks

A better thyroid response is seen when taking T4 at night.

-Gear