Sweet..

[majorpecs]

I love the placebo effect of doing HGH for the first time, I've only done 9iu's total, but I feel like it's already affecting me!! My workouts have been great, the mind is a wonderful thing.

On a serious note, when do the sides usually kick in as far as the swelling and tingling??

[SPIKE]

For me Pecs, some of the brands I've used have effected me within a couple days as far as sides go. As far as gains, well that could take up to a couple months.

Keep going with what you're doing buddy, sounds like it's starting off great.

[BG]

If I do ed shots I dont get the sides, but that just may be me. I just stopped 3x ed shots to after work out only and now I get numbness, just food for thought.

[m-man]

majorpecs how do you use it? ED? how much

thanks

[Gear]

Numbness and water weight will arrive first. How soon they arrive depends on the user, HGH brand, how much the user uses and what type of dosing protocol the user follows.

-Gear

[majorpecs]

Here's my protocol so far:

Days 1-28 HGH 3IU ed (7 days per week) in the am upon waking up
Days 1-28 MGF 100mcg pwo (4 days per week)
Days 1-28 T3 12.5mcg ed am and 12.5mcg ed before bed
For now I'm doing 300mg of test cyp 2 times per week, after 8 weeks I'm going to prime my body by doing a very calorie restricted diet, and then I'm going to do a 6 week cycle of prop/tren at pretty high doses.

Today was my sixth shot of growth. I plan on ramping up to 5IU ed by the 3rd month and switching to a 5/2 schedule. I will be alternating MGF and IGF every other month for the 9 month duration of my planned HGH run. I am also going to introduce insulin pwo starting on the second month probably 5-10IU. I'm currently 30yo, 6', 247lb and probably 15% bf. My diet currently is pretty clean, I'm around 2400calories ed, and I'm doing 45 minutes of cardio 4-5 days a week in the morning as soon as I wake up and shoot my growth. I work out 4 days a week at lunchtime, and do more cardio after work 3 days a week. My goal is to drop below 10% bf at around 200lbs or more and to maintain as much strength as possible. Every time I start to cut, when I start losing strenght it messes with my mind and I always quit. My shoulders are also KILLING ME now, so I'm hoping this will help alleviate that pain. I always use NPP or decca and I'm sick of trying to keep the gyno at bay, so I'm avoiding 19nors. Oh yeah, the growth I'm doing is generic unlableled yellow tops. My source gave me the option of getting 2,4,6,8,10,20 or 50 IU vials, and I got the 10iu vials. He calls them jinghgh, so I'm under the impression they are jintropin, but I guess time will tell.

[Gear]

Here's my protocol so far:

Days 1-28 HGH 3IU ed (7 days per week) in the am upon waking up
Days 1-28 MGF 100mcg pwo (4 days per week)
Days 1-28 T3 12.5mcg ed am and 12.5mcg ed before bed
For now I'm doing 300mg of test cyp 2 times per week, after 8 weeks I'm going to prime my body by doing a very calorie restricted diet, and then I'm going to do a 6 week cycle of prop/tren at pretty high doses.

Today was my sixth shot of growth. I plan on ramping up to 5IU ed by the 3rd month and switching to a 5/2 schedule. I will be alternating MGF and IGF every other month for the 9 month duration of my planned HGH run. I am also going to introduce insulin pwo starting on the second month probably 5-10IU. I'm currently 30yo, 6', 247lb and probably 15% bf. My diet currently is pretty clean, I'm around 2400calories ed, and I'm doing 45 minutes of cardio 4-5 days a week in the morning as soon as I wake up and shoot my growth. I work out 4 days a week at lunchtime, and do more cardio after work 3 days a week. My goal is to drop below 10% bf at around 200lbs or more and to maintain as much strength as possible. Every time I start to cut, when I start losing strenght it messes with my mind and I always quit. My shoulders are also KILLING ME now, so I'm hoping this will help alleviate that pain. I always use NPP or decca and I'm sick of trying to keep the gyno at bay, so I'm avoiding 19nors. Oh yeah, the growth I'm doing is generic unlableled yellow tops. My source gave me the option of getting 2,4,6,8,10,20 or 50 IU vials, and I got the 10iu vials. He calls them jinghgh, so I'm under the impression they are jintropin, but I guess time will tell.

I can't really pick anything wrong with that, I guess you've done your homework.

I am not sure why you're restricting your body from consuming calroies, especially after using cypionate. Once you have come of cyp, you will need to keep your calories high in order to help keep gains. I would only cut calories if you are planning on doing a cutter. Anyway, each to their own, but I thought I'd add that part in.

-Gear

[BG]

I can't really pick anything wrong with that, I guess you've done your homework.

I am not sure why you're restricting your body from consuming calroies, especially after using cypionate. Once you have come of cyp, you will need to keep your calories high in order to help keep gains. I would only cut calories if you are planning on doing a cutter. Anyway, each to their own, but I thought I'd add that part in.

-Gear

Funny I was just reading the same thing, not need to cut calories if your going to run high dosage prop/tren, plus the GH/t-3 combo with a clean bulking diet bf should decrease. Tell you what, I have a hard time recovering after reducing carbs, sometimes I try to cut all bf off and start over but the strength and energy loss is tremendous and I regret it eveyrtime.

[Gear]

Good point TRD, and very true.

-Gear

[majorpecs]

Well it's not a "cutter" per se, but I'm not looking to put on mass with this at all, my goal is to drop bodyfat but maintain all my lbm while doing so, and I really don't want to lose strength like I normally do during time when I start to cut.

Also, I've been on test for 2 years now, the 600mg a week is just a step up from what I usually cruise at which is 400mg/week. I know all about the pros/cons of long term test usage, I have a 6 year old and another baby due in February so I'm not concerned about that. I have bloodwork done 2 times a year and nothing is too out of whack (keeping in mind that I've been on every time I do it). And I'm definately not recommending anyone stay on test like that, it's a personal decision I made and to be honest, if I wasn't so scared about losing everyhing because of a very extended pct, then I'd come off the test totally for a few months during this hgh run to try and recover and get more bloodwork done.

[Gear]

Well it's not a "cutter" per se, but I'm not looking to put on mass with this at all, my goal is to drop bodyfat but maintain all my lbm while doing so, and I really don't want to lose strength like I normally do during time when I start to cut.

Yo are more than likely to put on mass when using cypionate. You probably should have used prop. Prop will deliver the strength but not much mass. Anyway, cyp is still fine but I believe prop would have been a better option.

Also, I've been on test for 2 years now, the 600mg a week is just a step up from what I usually cruise at which is 400mg/week. I know all about the pros/cons of long term test usage, I have a 6 year old and another baby due in February so I'm not concerned about that. I have bloodwork done 2 times a year and nothing is too out of whack (keeping in mind that I've been on every time I do it). And I'm definately not recommending anyone stay on test like that, it's a personal decision I made and to be honest, if I wasn't so scared about losing everyhing because of a very extended pct, then I'd come off the test totally for a few months during this hgh run to try and recover and get more bloodwork done.

Nothing wrong with cruisers, just be careful when you come off. The cosequences of coming off a cruiser are a lot severe than coming of a 12 weeker.

-Gear

[BG]

Nothing wrong with cruisers, just be careful when you come off. The cosequences of coming off a cruiser are a lot severe than coming of a 12 weeker.

-Gear

Im having a real hard time recovery from cycle/cruising250mgs/the half a cycle. That extra time still shutting yourself down does have consequences, you hit the nail on the head Gear. Honestly I wished I never did HRT, dont know if its my age , but Im not close to the same after deciding to stop hrt, I had to go back to 125 mgs of to get some sex drive back. Tren/deca shut me down hard, plus high dosaged.

[majorpecs]

Yeah exactly TRD and that's what I'm dreading. I figure once the HGH/IGF/MGF/SLIN start kicking really good, I'll go ahead and get some hcg/clomid/nolva/letro and start a pct regimen and see what happens.

[BG]

Yeah exactly TRD and that's what I'm dreading. I figure once the HGH/IGF/MGF/SLIN start kicking really good, I'll go ahead and get some hcg/clomid/nolva/letro and start a pct regimen and see what happens.

It may be age though, Im 33 and I ran deca/tren together it hurt me, still trying to get back to almost normal, if your going to cruise, just make sure the BB'ing lifestlyes is what your going to stick with, because there are consequences at the end. How old are you? And I would stay away from the clomid, maybe a low dose if anything, the sides are unreal and some are irreversible, also why letro??? Shit kills my joints and sex drive, not something I would dare use during pct. Anthonys pct protocol is well thought out, I would stick to something very close to that.

[majorpecs]

It may be age though, Im 33 and I ran deca/tren together it hurt me, still trying to get back to almost normal, if your going to cruise, just make sure the BB'ing lifestlyes is what your going to stick with, because there are consequences at the end. How old are you? And I would stay away from the clomid, maybe a low dose if anything, the sides are unreal and some are irreversible, also why letro??? Shit kills my joints and sex drive, not something I would dare use during pct. Anthonys pct protocol is well thought out, I would stick to something very close to that.

I'm 31. I actually haven't researched PCT in some time because I've never really considered doing it. But now that I'm considering it, I'll be sure to read Anthony's post on it.

[BG]

[QUOTE=majorpecs;3707804] I've never really considered doing it. But now that I'm considering it

[QUOTE]

LOL Been there, gave me a good laugh, check out his protocol.

[majorpecs]

Are you still on PCT TRD? How long have you been trying to recover?

[BG]

Are you still on PCT TRD? How long have you been trying to recover?

went back to 125 mgs of test, couldnt handle it.

Edit: for the record though, I had somethings happen work related so it big desicion time, so I didnt want to be depressed and trying to recovery so thats why I went back to HRT. But Anthony and I are going to work on a multi stage pct where I do pct, get bloddwork, do another and see if by keep doing pct we can get natural levels rising to a respectible #. Im going to get into MMA so I want to be off gear completly in case this go well to where I get to big enough shows where Im tested.

[Nickster#1]

went back to 125 mgs of test, couldnt handle it.

Edit: for the record though, I had somethings happen work related so it big desicion time, so I didnt want to be depressed and trying to recovery so thats why I went back to HRT. But Anthony and I are going to work on a multi stage pct where I do pct, get bloddwork, do another and see if by keep doing pct we can get natural levels rising to a respectible #. Im going to get into MMA so I want to be off gear completly in case this go well to where I get to big enough shows where Im tested.

I havent heard either one of you guys mention proviron durring pct. I used it and it is fabulous stuff. use 100mg a day and your sex drive stays in pretty good shape, at least for me it did. Im 44 yo and have done a number of cycles, and pct after each cycle. the cycles that I recovered from the fastest were the ones that I used clomid along with nolv and proviron durring my pct. clomid does have sides, but unless your clinically depressed or your emotionally unstable to begin with, then the sides from clomid are not to bad. Also, if you have problems with acne durring cycle or durring pct, b-5 (pantothenic acid) is the best. I used it at 1 gram a day for prevention, and never had issues with acne again. I got acne real bad after one of my cycles, and started b-5 at 5 grams a day for 2 weeks, then 3 grams a day for 2 weeks, and then 1 gram a day after that. acne started to disapate after the first 2 weeks, and completely gone after a month.
Anyways, you are so young, do a serious pct(with clomid) with proviron and nolv, and let your body recover.

[vitor]

I havent heard either one of you guys mention proviron durring pct. I used it and it is fabulous stuff. use 100mg a day and your sex drive stays in pretty good shape, at least for me it did. Im 44 yo and have done a number of cycles, and pct after each cycle. the cycles that I recovered from the fastest were the ones that I used clomid along with nolv and proviron durring my pct. clomid does have sides, but unless your clinically depressed or your emotionally unstable to begin with, then the sides from clomid are not to bad. Also, if you have problems with acne durring cycle or durring pct, b-5 (pantothenic acid) is the best. I used it at 1 gram a day for prevention, and never had issues with acne again. I got acne real bad after one of my cycles, and started b-5 at 5 grams a day for 2 weeks, then 3 grams a day for 2 weeks, and then 1 gram a day after that. acne started to disapate after the first 2 weeks, and completely gone after a month.
Anyways, you are so young, do a serious pct(with clomid) with proviron and nolv, and let your body recover.

Have you had BW while using Proviron in pct?

Proviron kept my testosterone levels supressed,
but I didnt feel it b/c of the increased libido and androgenic relacement effect I got from it...

[Nickster#1]

Have you had BW while using Proviron in pct?

Proviron kept my testosterone levels supressed,
but I didnt feel it b/c of the increased libido and androgenic relacement effect I got from it...

Proviron used durring a cycle works synergistically with test, meaning that it allows your body to utilize more of the test, and help keep estrogen levels lower. Anthony R. has the dynamics of how it works written in this forum. When your doing proviron after a cycle, it wont supress your natty test if you dont exceed I believe, 100 to 150mg a day. If you take more proviron than whats reccomended, then yes, I am pretty sure that it can hinder your recovery. 100mg a day durring pct (from my experience) will help you recover and as I said, keep you in the sex loop.

[vitor]

Proviron used durring a cycle works synergistically with test, meaning that it allows your body to utilize more of the test, and help keep estrogen levels lower. Anthony R. has the dynamics of how it works written in this forum. When your doing proviron after a cycle, it wont supress your natty test if you dont exceed I believe, 100 to 150mg a day. If you take more proviron than whats reccomended, then yes, I am pretty sure that it can hinder your recovery. 100mg a day durring pct (from my experience) will help you recover and as I said, keep you in the sex loop.

Proviron at 75-100MG ed(after pct, when I should have recovered) kept me inhibited according to my BW. As soon as I stopped the Proviron, I had BW a couple of weeks later and my T-levels where back to normal.

[Nickster#1]

Proviron at 75-100MG ed(after pct, when I should have recovered) kept me inhibited according to my BW. As soon as I stopped the Proviron, I had BW a couple of weeks later and my T-levels where back to normal.

Well, it sounds like your a little more sensitive to proviron than the average joe. Everyone I know, including myself loves what proviron does durring a cycle that includes test, and after a cycle, durring PCT, and also after pct. Sounds like maybe you shouldnt use proviron durring pct. Everyones recovery is specific to that person. Some recover faster than others. For myself, recovery from a cycle, say 16 weeks of test and EQ and 8 weeks of tren with a 3 week bridge of prop to pct, takes me around 6 months to fully recover, that is getting my natty test within normal range.
Anyway, just my .002. Sorry for the hijack to whoever started this thread. Good luck Vitor.

[BG]

I havent heard either one of you guys mention proviron durring pct. I used it and it is fabulous stuff. use 100mg a day and your sex drive stays in pretty good shape, at least for me it did. Im 44 yo and have done a number of cycles, and pct after each cycle. the cycles that I recovered from the fastest were the ones that I used clomid along with nolv and proviron durring my pct. clomid does have sides, but unless your clinically depressed or your emotionally unstable to begin with, then the sides from clomid are not to bad. Also, if you have problems with acne durring cycle or durring pct, b-5 (pantothenic acid) is the best. I used it at 1 gram a day for prevention, and never had issues with acne again. I got acne real bad after one of my cycles, and started b-5 at 5 grams a day for 2 weeks, then 3 grams a day for 2 weeks, and then 1 gram a day after that. acne started to disapate after the first 2 weeks, and completely gone after a month.
Anyways, you are so young, do a serious pct(with clomid) with proviron and nolv, and let your body recover.

I use 25mgs ed throught cycle and pct, I love it, actually help keep my gyno managable.

[Nickster#1]

I use 25mgs ed throught cycle and pct, I love it, actually help keep my gyno managable.

YA, great stuff. I am glad to hear that it works at such a low dose.