Some q's on my Slin protocol

[WelshWarrior]

Hi fellas, a few weeks into a slin protocol and I have a few queries I'd appreciate some help on.

1) What is a safe level to dose at? I only want to be taking PWO and have settled at 10iu (I am 230lb) in conjunction with 6iu hgh/ed.

2) Is it normal not to feel symptoms during the active window? Other than a touch of lethargy 30mins post shot I get no shakes or anything. A bit of confusion pre-meals when I started, but this has now gone. I've had stronger hypo-symptoms when I've left it too long in between meals when not on slin...

3) Is this diet plan okay:
10iu slin 3iu hgh at 6:30pm (PWO)
100g dextrose 60g protein from whey 1.5g CEE with shot
8pm 50g protein from chicken breast 50g carbs from brown pasta
9:30pm 45g protein from tuna 50g carbs from oatmeal
10:30pm normal pre-bed pro/fat (cottage cheese)

[Gear]

No more than 10IU in needed. Once you breach the 12 - 15IU mark, the sides seem to arrive a lot faster and they alot more severe.

It is very normal to experience hypoglycemia symptoms throughout the whole active period. It all depends on how much glucose your body has at the time.

It is also possible not to experience any symptoms at all. Once again it all depends on how much glucose your body has at the time. I have used insulin at higher doses with no sides, but I have also used insulin at lower doses with sides.

You can certainly experience same side effects when not using insulin, and for the third time it all depends on how much glucose your body has at the time. If your blood glucose is low, you will experience hypo symptoms wether you are using insulin or not.

100g of carbohydrates with 10IU insulin is a good and safe amount of carbohydrates to consume when using insulin (10IU). If you are not feeling any sides, I suggest you lower your dextrose amount to 8 - 9g p/1IU, and keep on lowering dex amount till you start feeling hypo. I have used 20IU of insulin with only 40g of carbs without any issues. It all depends on how much carbohydrates your body has at the time to use as energy.

Your diet is fine, but if you are not experiencing any sides, you may be consuming excess carbs and any excess carbs will be stored as fat. As I said, lower your carb consumption amount.

Good luck.

-Gear

[WelshWarrior]

Cool, nice one bro.

It's taken me a few weeks to get up to 10iu as I have been upping it by 1iu per session and using it 3 or 4 days per week. Does the dosage upping stage get included in the 4 weeks on 4 weeks off rule?

[shooting15]

I don't know why this isn't said more often -- get a blood glucose meter and take the measurements frequently, at least until you get a good idea of what the effects are on your body. Everybody is different. Using a meter is an incredibly simple way of optimizing your dose, and of staying out of trouble. It's easy, and the feedback is immediate.

[Gear]

Welsh,

The dosage upping stage is more for the beginners who don't have much experience with insulin. Once you have done a few insulin cycles you don't need to necessaraly srart on a really low dose each time you use insulin. When I use insulin I always start on 10IU, but do keep in mind that starting on a lower dose is always safer than starting on a higher dose.

-Gear

[WelshWarrior]

Welsh,

The dosage upping stage is more for the beginners who don't have much experience with insulin. Once you have done a few insulin cycles you don't need to necessaraly srart on a really low dose each time you use insulin. When I use insulin I always start on 10IU, but do keep in mind that starting on a lower dose is always safer than starting on a higher dose.

-Gear

Would it be unwise to exclude the upping stage from my 4 weeks on?

[Gear]

Just go by how you feel. I only went through the upping dose stage once. Every other time I used insulin I started on 10 - 15IU because I felt it was safe.

-Gear

[WelshWarrior]

Gear, another q for you:

I'm doing 12g carbs per iu pwo to try and gain some mass after a bad spell with illness. However, at this level, I find I feel bloated an hour later when its time to eat. Is there a max your body can absorb even with slin?

I'm thinking it'd be better to drop the simple carbs and up the complex ones in my meals afterwards....

[Gear]

No matter what drugs are involved, there is always a certain amount of nutrients your body can absorb.

It would be hard to say how much nutrients your body can absorb each time because each time your body is asking for a different amount of nutrients. For example, if you haven't had much to eat throughout the day and you had a really hard workout session, then your body will be able to absorb more nutrients PWO than if you ate properly that day and didn't have such an intesne training session.

A good way to know if you are consuming too much carbs is to monitor your blood glucose. If your levels are too high then you know you have consumed too many carbohydrates and that excess amount will more than likely be stored as fat. However if you levels are fairly low then you know there is still plenty of room for more carbs.

A blood glucose monitor is an awsome little inexpensive tool which will assist in fine tuning your diet. I suggest you defenitely purchase one if you are planning on counting your carbs.

As for being bloated, being bloated doesn't necessaraly mean you have had too many carbs. Sometimes when I have a shake PWO I feel bloated because the shake contained too much water. I do believe dextrose and maltodextrion (typical insulin PWO fuel) can at times make you feel bloated though so it could be that. Also, try not to have your dextrose shake all at once. Once you've had your injection drink your dextrose shake "sip by sip" and take a few minutes to finish it. This way you are giving your body fuel in smaller doses which will lead to easier absorption and therefore the chances of getting bloated will defenitely decrease.

As for dropping simple for complex carbs, IMO complex carbohydrates will make you feel more bloated than simple carbs because complex carbs take a while to digest and are in your system for longer. Simple carbs are fast acting and are in and out of your system.

Good luck.

-Gear

[WelshWarrior]

Okay, Gear. Ima have to get a bg monitor. Would this be a good way to monitor carbs even when not on slin?

[Gear]

Yes it certainly would welsh.

-Gear

[WelshWarrior]

Gear, I have ordered it. Any advice/useful threads you recommend?

The only reference I can find is in Mr Sparkles sticky.

Specifically I'm wondering what my levels need to be to keep me growing without gaining fat. Is it just above my baseline?

[Gear]

There is some usefull info in sparky's thread, but he mentions using Humalin-R alot which IMO isn't the best option when using insulin.

Keep your levels between 70 and a 110. Anymore than 110 means you may be storing fat. If you are on the lower end of that scale then you don't need to worry about fat storage. If you can eat heaps and keep your levels between those numbers, you are doing well.

Good luck.

-Gear

[WelshWarrior]

Gear, thanks again. I really appreciate it. Massive respect to your patience and generosity with your time.

[Gear]

Not a problem, good luck to you Welsh.

-Gear

[Lejes]

There is some usefull info in sparky's thread, but he mentions using Humalin-R alot which IMO isn't the best option when using insulin.

Keep your levels between 70 and a 110. Anymore than 110 means you may be storing fat. If you are on the lower end of that scale then you don't need to worry about fat storage. If you can eat heaps and keep your levels between those numbers, you are doing well.

Good luck.

-Gear

Kind of bumping an old thread, but well. Do you mean keep the levels between 70-110 at all times, during the pwo window? I just got a blood glucose monitor. My fasting level upon waking this morning was 95 mg/dl, then I drank a pw shake as a test, and 15 minutes later I was 128 mg/dl. So that means I could be storing fat?

I'm not using insulin yet, setting the baseline before I use it... But do you mean that whenever you are using insulin, or not / to keep your blood glucose levels between those numbers?