Am I Crazy?

**mattchew** · 12-20-2007, 10:03 PM

Okay, so looking at the "amazing" studies of l-arginine, lysine, glycine etc, where the GH levels are raised 6+ fold they are doing it intravenously. So is there any reason not to do this myself? Mix up 1.2g of arginine pyroglutamate and l lysine together in some sterile water, then inject it right before bed. Do that for 2 weeks, then switch to 3 grams of glycine, then maybe GABA, then repeat.
Is this crazy? I'm just thinking I can get 1kg of arginine and 1kg lysine for under 100, which will last for a looong time versus any other injectable hgh that costs 1000's.
Would this be worth "experimenting"?
What are the differences in procedure/precaution with IV injections? I'm guessing make sure there is NO air in the syringe, then make sure your in the vein by sucking some blood in...
Thanks

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-20-2007, 10:12 PM

Post the study where you read this, sounds interesting.Also most vitamin injections are intramuscular not intravenous.

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-20-2007, 10:17 PM

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**Gear** · 12-20-2007, 10:33 PM

Those powder form supplments are not manufactured for injection, and if you did try and mix those supps with anything it would not mix. They are made for oral use only. You would be crazy if you injected those supps IV.

You would need to find those supps in injectible form and inject IM only, not IV, but put it this way, anything that is legal is in no way compareable to the real injectible stuff meaning you would be wasting your time.

-Gear

**mattchew** · 12-20-2007, 10:35 PM

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...f498885f3d92db

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...act/80/10/2987 (didn't read to carefully but i think this is IV)

http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?ProdID=art507&zTYPE=2 (depending on the study on that page its a mix of IV and oral, IV obviously being more effective)

If you could instruct me on IV injection that would be nice.
Thanks

**Gear** · 12-20-2007, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Jonnycerious

If it is intravenous I can instruct you on that as well.

Bro, please listen to what you are saying. First of all, the stuff that he has isn't meant for injecting. If he did inject it, he would probbaly end up in hospital. Are you sure you still want to instruct him on how to inject IV? Please do your homework before giving out such advice because someone will end up hurting themselves.

-Gear

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-20-2007, 10:39 PM

^^^^^^^^understood

**mattchew** · 12-20-2007, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Gear

Those powder form supplments are not manufactured for injection, and if you did try and mix those supps with anything it would not mix. They are made for oral use only. You would be crazy if you injected those supps IV.

You would need to find those supps in injectible form and inject IM only, not IV, but put it this way, anything that is legal is in no way compareable to the real injectible stuff meaning you would be wasting your time.

-Gear

Oh, well I'm definitely glad you responded... Just wondering what exactly would happen if they were injected IV(obviously not gonna as you said in another it would land me in the hospital)?
So you can't legally get arginine IV?

Thanks

**Gear** · 12-20-2007, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Jonnycerious

^^^^^^^^understood

-Gear

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-20-2007, 10:44 PM

i read his study, I dont understand why they would use intravenous over IM

**mattchew** · 12-20-2007, 10:46 PM

Is IM better? I thought IV would be better since you would want it to get to the brain and stimulate the release? Obviously I need to do a lot more homework and I'm really glad I asked before I tried....

**Gear** · 12-20-2007, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by mattchew

Oh, well I'm definitely glad you responded... Just wondering what exactly would happen if they were injected IV(obviously not gonna as you said in another it would land me in the hospital)?
So you can't legally get arginine IV?

Thanks

Arginine, lysine, glycine are all legal supplments you can purchase over the counter, but these supps in most cases are administrated orally. Don't quote me, but I am pretty sure you can get injectible arganine, but I am not sure about the rest of them. All I am trying to say is, if you are going to inject something please ensure what you're injecting is manufactured for injection. I have seen people carry out all kinds of experiments by mixing supps in a syringe and injecting it, and most of these people end up with swelling/infection etc around injection site because what they injected is not made for injection.

-Gear

**Gear** · 12-20-2007, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by mattchew

Is IM better? I thought IV would be better since you would want it to get to the brain and stimulate the release? Obviously I need to do a lot more homework and I'm really glad I asked before I tried....

IV will get into your system faster, and the absorption rate with IV is higher than IM or sub-q.

-Gear

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-20-2007, 10:51 PM

^^^^^^agreed not everything mentioned above is taken IV in the study it also recommends oral dosing but I still dont see the benifit to adding an injectable right to blood stream.

**mattchew** · 12-20-2007, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Gear

Arginine, lysine, glycine are all legal supplments you can purchase over the counter, but these supps in most cases are administrated orally. Don't quote me, but I am pretty sure you can get injectible arganine, but I am not sure about the rest of them. All I am trying to say is, if you are going to inject something please ensure what you're injecting is manufactured for injection. I have seen people carry out all kinds of experiments by mixing supps in a syringe and injecting it, and most of these people end up with swelling/infection etc around injection site because what they injected is not made for injection.

-Gear

That does make sense lol.... I was thinking you meant more like seizing and such... In the couple minutes of searching I haven't found injectable arginine, or others. How do you think the prices would compare oral vs injectable?
Maybe I'll just take massive oral doses... oooorrr just suck it up and shell out for the good stuff.
Thanks again

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-20-2007, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Gear

Bro, please listen to what you are saying. First of all, the stuff that he has isn't meant for injecting. If he did inject it, he would probbaly end up in hospital. Are you sure you still want to instruct him on how to inject IV? Please do your homework before giving out such advice because someone will end up hurting themselves.

-Gear

Sorry I assumed he was speaking of sterile injectable forms of those products.Thats why I was interested, and willing to help.

I have a regimen of injectable vitamins, but no arginine thats why I jumped in so fast.Thought those products could exist in those forms considing what I have used already

**BeastMode12** · 12-20-2007, 11:23 PM

this thread should be deleted so some retard out there doesnt actually try this

**Gear** · 12-20-2007, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by mattchew

That does make sense lol.... I was thinking you meant more like seizing and such... In the couple minutes of searching I haven't found injectable arginine, or others. How do you think the prices would compare oral vs injectable?
Maybe I'll just take massive oral doses... oooorrr just suck it up and shell out for the good stuff.
Thanks again

I have never looked into those in injectible form, but I do know injecting in most cases is always more effective than oral administration.

-Gear

**mattchew** · 12-21-2007, 12:51 PM

Wow, I feel kinda stupid now thinkin about it, mixing up that powder and injecting it... Well I guess I'll search for some injectable arginine for now.

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-21-2007, 01:05 PM

so for the record you are crazy

**mattchew** · 12-21-2007, 03:49 PM

So I gathered.

**mattchew** · 12-22-2007, 05:46 PM

Any recommendations as to how I would find injectable arginine?

**jerseyboy** · 12-22-2007, 06:29 PM

L Arginine, Lysine and glycine are all amino acids. There are prescription products that are meant to be injected IV but they are mostly for patients that can't eat on their own. The supplements that you buy over the counter from GNC are NOT the same thing.

Amino Acid Infusion IV Uses
This solution is used to provide nutrition to patients who are unable to eat in the usual way due to illness or surgery. Amino acids are used by the body as a source of protein and nitrogen. Protein in your diet is important for keeping a healthy body weight, preventing muscle loss, keeping your cells working well, helping with tissue growth and repair, and providing energy. Amino acids are usually given into a vein as part of a solution that also contains other nutritional ingredients such as dextrose (a form of sugar to provide calories and energy), vitamins, minerals, and sometimes fat emulsion.

**IntenseAthlete** · 12-22-2007, 08:49 PM

if they sell b-12 they might sell arginine?If you find it I think IM is easier and safer.Let me know if you do

**jerseyboy** · 12-23-2007, 08:57 AM

Yeah I don't think trying IV on your own without a medical professional is a wise idea. There are lots of new and advanced supplements on the market. I've been using liquid beef aminos made by EFX. I actually bought them right from IFBB pro Phil Hernon. I use it PWO with my insulin but it's a very good daily protein source and some say it can replace your daily protein altogether. I also like Vitargo PWO, a mixture of waxy maize starch and creatine. I also have liquid carnitine that's supposed to help the body burn fat for energy.