need help 1st time gh taker

**alireza1980** · 03-10-2008, 06:03 AM

hi im 27 years old and want to take gh with winny and sus for the first time but i dont know if thats a right combination. And also how to take it e.g. i`ve heard you have to start with gh first and than after 4 weeks start taking sus and winny? pls help.
thanks

PT · 03-10-2008, 12:25 PM

bro you need to do some research because no one is going to hand feed you here. gh needs to be run for at least 6 months or its a waste.

**Gear** · 03-10-2008, 04:41 PM

You need to figure out what you want to achieve before you start taking anything.

-Gear

**mr747** · 03-10-2008, 09:58 PM

Start the sus now and in 4 weeks start the HGH use the winny at the end of your cycle to lean up a bit if thats what you want to achive

**Gear** · 03-10-2008, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by mr747

Start the sus now and in 4 weeks start the HGH use the winny at the end of your cycle to lean up a bit if thats what you want to achive

He would be better of starting HGH now and starting sustanon 8 - 12 weeks into HGH cycle when his IGF levels are elevated.

-Gear

**alireza1980** · 03-11-2008, 02:05 AM

i want to gain a bit weight but mainly want to get cut up.
So when i start sus and winny are two injections per week enough?
and thx for your info.

PT · 03-11-2008, 05:01 AM

winny needs to be shot ed or at the very least eod or you shouldnt even do it

**alireza1980** · 03-12-2008, 02:13 AM

hi how many ius should i start with i ve read start with 3ius and after 4 weeks 5 ius is this right? thx
thx for info pietro75 but what means ed & eod?

**alireza1980** · 03-12-2008, 02:17 AM

Hi just wondering how to start gh. i ve read fist to start with 3 ius everyday for 4 weeks than go up to 5 ius everyday is that right? thx
thx for your info pietro75 but what means ed & eod?

**Gear** · 03-12-2008, 02:32 AM

Starting on 2/3 IU is a good dose to start on. When it comes to increasing the dose, just go by how you feel, but users will usually increase the dose every few weeks if need be.

ED = Every day.
EOD - Every other day.

-Gear

PT · 03-12-2008, 03:38 AM

[QUOTE=alireza1980;3867675]hi how many ius should i start with i ve read start with 3ius and after 4 weeks 5 ius is this right? thx
thx for info pietro75 but what means ed & eod?[/QUOT]

i would start with 3ius a day like you said and keep that dose for 2 weeks. if you want to up it an iu after that you can. you'll know if you should up your dose or not by the way you feel. once your fingers start swelling and your wrists go numb its time to lower the dose 1iu and stay there. personally i use around 5ius a day and have great gains off that. theres alot of people on here that are cheap and want there gh to last so they try to get away with 1iu a day but unless your 65 thats a waste in my mind. you seem to have a good plan already and you may be able to get away with using 4ius a day instead of 5. your goal is to find the lowest dose that will work for you since gh is so freaking expensive. good luck bro and dont hesitate to ask if you have anymore questions.

**Peducho0113** · 03-12-2008, 04:11 AM

you seem to be on the right track bro, tell us about your training? and diet how are going to incorporate that to your cycle? so maximaze outcome results

**alireza1980** · 03-12-2008, 10:28 AM

hi thx for all your infos.
i`m gonna have 400g of protein everyday, low carb diet and 4 times a week gym,
chest & biceps, back & triceps, forearm & shoulder, legs.
do i have to use winny ed? what about sus?
i was gonna start, as gear said, sus after 8 weeks of gh cycle has passed for 8 weeks and twice a week. and the same with winny 8 weeks before gh cycle ends. is that wrong?
thx

**Gear** · 03-12-2008, 11:39 AM

To get maximum benefits from sustanon and winstrol these compounds must be used ED or EOD. If you are taking 500mg of sus per week then have a shot every Monday and Thursday.

-Gear

PT · 03-12-2008, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by alireza1980

hi thx for all your infos.
i`m gonna have 400g of protein everyday, low carb diet and 4 times a week gym,
chest & biceps, back & triceps, forearm & shoulder, legs.
do i have to use winny ed? what about sus?
i was gonna start, as gear said, sus after 8 weeks of gh cycle has passed for 8 weeks and twice a week. and the same with winny 8 weeks before gh cycle ends. is that wrong?
thx

when im doing a 4 day a week style like that i do chest and tri's together since your using your tri's anyway while benching then i do bi's and back together because most back exercises mean using your bi's

**alireza1980** · 03-12-2008, 04:12 PM

sorry gear i looked up in google about converting mg to ml do you mean 5ml monday and 5ml thursday?
and another thing.i got my gh today (Generic) it has come in a white box with 10 bottels and i noticed that it is not labeled at all. do think it is fake?
thx

**Gear** · 03-12-2008, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by alireza1980

sorry gear i looked up in google about converting mg to ml do you mean 5ml monday and 5ml thursday?
and another thing.i got my gh today (Generic) it has come in a white box with 10 bottels and i noticed that it is not labeled at all. do think it is fake?
thx

Depends what the sustanon is cocentrated at. If it's pharmaceutical grade and is 250mg/ml then you will need 2ml p/week. If its UGL (home made gear) sust it could be concentrated at various strengths (eg, 250mg, 300mg, 350mg etc).

Many HGH brands come non labeled, this is quite normal.

In all honesty bro, I think you are one of those users who are getting themselves into something they don't know much about. Don't just take gear because it apparently makes you big. If you are not educated about it you will get no gains and will only attract more harm than good. Do some research please.

-Gear

**alireza1980** · 03-13-2008, 02:09 AM

believe me i ve done research about it is just there is this bodybuilder here he says all this things. he looked at the stuff and said this are fake. and he confuses me when i read something in the internet he says an other thing.
but i respect what you said and will do more research.
thx.

**alireza1980** · 03-14-2008, 01:32 AM

hi can anybody recommend me a book about cycles and all the steroids ?

**Gear** · 03-14-2008, 11:54 AM

Information on AAS: http://www.anabolicbooks.com/
How to cycle AAS: http://www.steroid.com/steroid_cycles.php

-Gear

**alireza1980** · 03-21-2008, 03:58 AM

hi just wondering , i havent been training for about 1.5 years due to a injury is it ok to go staright to taking gh or should i train firt for couple of month and than start gh?
thx

**Gear** · 03-21-2008, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by alireza1980

hi just wondering , i havent been training for about 1.5 years due to a injury is it ok to go staright to taking gh or should i train firt for couple of month and than start gh?
thx

If you are taking HGH for healing purposes then you can start immidietly, but if you want to take HGH for sport enhancing reasons then I suggest you train for as long as possible before use.

Please start another thread if you would like to continue this discussion.

-Gear

**alireza1980** · 03-22-2008, 12:14 PM

hi gear is for bodybuilding purposes how long training would you recomend befor taking gh.
thx

**Timm1704** · 03-22-2008, 04:50 PM

are you unable to research for yourself?

these are very basic questions. You say that youve done research, It doesnt look that way at all.

If i was you id start training again for afew weeks, preferably around 8 weeks after a long layoff, before you start using the steroids . This way your joints will have chance to get used to the demands of bodybuilding without the added stress of heavier weights that you could be lifting whilst on steroids.

As for the GH, start sooner.

Good luck

**alireza1980** · 03-22-2008, 05:40 PM

thx for the info timm1740 but i dont understand why you are getting offended about my question its the first time i want to take hgh i just wanna do it right mate and you have more experience than me all i am asking is to share this experience so i can compare it with what i ve found out cause any source i ve looked at or asked say different things.
thx anyway

**SuperK** · 03-22-2008, 05:42 PM

alireza1980, you sound a little like a newbie. is this your first cycle, if so you might want to start with a single substance cycle (like test) then maybe a double (like d-bol and test) for your second. Jumping right in with a triple might be a little too much, just my 2 cents. :-)

**alireza1980** · 03-23-2008, 02:09 AM

hi ive have had test cycles before the last one i had was sus winny deca for 8 weeks than i had an injury and couldnt train but have never been taken gh is just i wanna do it right.
thx

**SuperK** · 03-23-2008, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by alireza1980

hi ive have had test cycles before the last one i had was sus winny deca for 8 weeks than i had an injury and couldnt train but have never been taken gh is just i wanna do it right.
thx

Gotcha. Check out the sticky at the top of this section of the forum. It has a lot of useful info and I think it will answer most of your questions My Guide to HGH for anyone interested