Starting with IGF-1 LR3!

**NoBuff** · 03-18-2008, 07:06 PM

Me and a friend of mine just bought a kit of IGF-1 LR3 each but I have some questions before starting.
What dosage should I use and how often should I take it?
My friend says it's best to take 40 mcg every second day (like monday - wednesday - friday) but I belive that taking 20 mcg each day is more effective. What is correct?

I'm sorry if my english is bad.

Thank you for serious replies.

**Gear** · 03-18-2008, 07:44 PM

The questions you are asking have been answered in this forum over and over again. If you use the search function you will find all the necessary answers.

I am not going to be an ass and not answer your questions, but next time please use the search function before starting any threads.

If you are a beginner I would start on about 40mcg p/day. You can use it ED or on training days only, up to you but I have found no difference in running IGF ED or training days only.

Take it IM using any type of insulin syringe immidietly PWO. I would usually inject in my bis or tris.

Good luck.

-Gear

**legobricks** · 03-18-2008, 07:57 PM

IGF-1 LR3 from Lion (ar-r)

^^^Should help you out with your first IGF1 run.

**NoBuff** · 03-18-2008, 08:24 PM

Legobricks, thanks for the reading.
But is the IGF-1 you're using LR3?
I belive LR3 has a longer halftime?

Gear, yeah I've been reading a lot in the forum but I find many different points of view.
And I also have many questions so it would take a long(!) time for me to search through
them all. It's nice to have it all here in one thread.

But over to the questions. So it's best to take it each day, and not every second day like my friend belives?

I'm wei***ng 170 pounds, so isn't 40 mcg a little too much? I am also only 20 years old and have worries that taking to large dose might be harmfull to my intestants.

-John

**Big** · 03-18-2008, 08:25 PM

Yes, lego is using IGF-1 LR3

**Gear** · 03-18-2008, 09:15 PM

Buff,

As I said, you can take it every day, or on training days only.

40mcg is considered a low dose, so that would be your best option if you are not familiar with IGF.

-Gear

**NoBuff** · 03-18-2008, 09:36 PM

Should i be concerned about alcohol consummation when on IGF-1? Like more than usual?

-John

**legobricks** · 03-18-2008, 10:00 PM

IGF1 is not a compound you should just be jumping into because your friend got it. Have you read what IGF is responsible for in the human body? Did you realize that it increases cell growth by 10fold so any cancer cells that you may have in your body will multiply fast. ITs best to get screened by a doctor before using IGF. Honestly tho, 20 years old, 170lbs....how tall are you? I dont think you should be playing around with compounds that you dont know anything about. And which IGF are you using?
Alcohol? I dont think you should even be messing with IGF1 to be honest. The effects on alcohol can be diminishing to IGF1 levels. Not only that but alcohol is counterproductive to what your trying to achieve which you hadnt explained to us in the first place.

**NoBuff** · 03-18-2008, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by legobricks

IGF1 is not a compound you should just be jumping into because your friend got it. Have you read what IGF is responsible for in the human body? Did you realize that it increases cell growth by 10fold so any cancer cells that you may have in your body will multiply fast. ITs best to get screened by a doctor before using IGF. Honestly tho, 20 years old, 170lbs....how tall are you? I dont think you should be playing around with compounds that you dont know anything about. And which IGF are you using?
Alcohol? I dont think you should even be messing with IGF1 to be honest. The effects on alcohol can be diminishing to IGF1 levels. Not only that but alcohol is counterproductive to what your trying to achieve which you hadnt explained to us in the first place.

I have been training serious for 6 years and I'm no beginner. But I have had a break for 1 year because of studying. I did weigh close to 200lbs 4 years ago, when I was 16. So my weight now doesn't reflect anything, I am quite short.

It was in fact me that convinced my friend to start taking IGF-1 LR3. And I have been reading a lot about it, actually for the past 6 months.
Yes, I know that it will make cancer cells and I intend to take a full health check before starting. My goal for this is offcourse the effect of hyperplasia wich hopefully will give me fuller and more detailed muscles, and increase my potential for future gains.

I know that when taking testosterone consuming alcohol is devastating due to convertion to estrogen, causing gyno and such. But does alcohol affect my IGF-1 levels when drinking some beers? I'm not talking about geting drunk.

-John

**legobricks** · 03-18-2008, 11:48 PM

Well if you would have read into it then you would know a bit more about it seems you do. 40mcgs per day PWO either ED or only on training days. It has a short active life which is why some people shoot everyday OR twice daily. Yes alcohol will actually lower IGF1 levels but seriously if your going for hyperplasia why even bother with drinking. Ive had a beer or 2 on AAS but during IGF i had nothing, not even weeks after (as you continue to grow even after cycle is over) and alcohol is just hurting it. Alcohol is one hard thing for someone who is dedicated to bb'ing to put down who is younger.

All Im saying is that your trying to do something that alcohol can be detrimental too. And at 20years old I would hope that you have the dedication/maturity level to say no. Not putting you down in anyway bro. There are a lot of newbies on here that jump into things becuase of "hype" and they don't know anything about these compounds in which that is what your thread post implied. Stats HELP us greatly as you now see, we know what you know and we can give you the best info that we have. Catchin on?

**NoBuff** · 03-19-2008, 12:13 AM

Yes, I understand. If I was one of those newbies I would just jump into it and do what I've heard (and what my friend does), taking injections every second day. That was what we was recommended. But as I've read in here (mostly) is that I should take it each trainingday after workout. Should I tell my friend that he is doing it wrong (or at least not optimal for gains)? I considered taking 20 mcg but since you recommend 40 mcg I will try 30 mcg and increase the dosage if necsessary. I am really conserned about intestant growth.

**NoBuff** · 03-19-2008, 12:24 PM

Is it nescessary to inject the IGF-1 on both sides or is it enough to just inject it on one side? Hoping that it won't affect my symmetry.

**Gear** · 03-19-2008, 03:28 PM

Both sides or one side, it won't make any difference.

-Gear

**Gear** · 03-19-2008, 03:31 PM

Buff,

It takes many years of use at high doses to experience sides such as internals growth. At the dose you are using and considering you have never used IGF before I really wouldn't worry about that for now.

-Gear

**SheriD** · 03-20-2008, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Gear

Buff,

It takes many years of use at high doses to experience sides such as internals growth. At the dose you are using and considering you have never used IGF before I really wouldn't worry about that for now.

-Gear

Gear: Doing 40mcgs cycle for 4 weeks .. like 4 to 5 times in a year ... how safe does this sound? Does it mean over the period of few years if you continue the same routine you can expect major side effects like increase of the size of organs/jaws/bone structure ... (while doing igflr3)

thanks.

**Gear** · 03-21-2008, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by SheriD

Gear: Doing 40mcgs cycle for 4 weeks .. like 4 to 5 times in a year ... how safe does this sound? Does it mean over the period of few years if you continue the same routine you can expect major side effects like increase of the size of organs/jaws/bone structure ... (while doing igflr3)

thanks.

The more you use IGF then the more of a chance you are creating for potential issues down the track. It's hard to say what's safe and what not as many other factors must be taken into account.

Please start another thread if you would like to continue this discussion.

-Gear

**NoBuff** · 03-22-2008, 05:57 AM

What about cardio training when on IGF-1 LR3? Should I avoid high intensity cardio workouts? Figuring it could possibly boost enlargement of heart and lunges?
I've never heard this before, but it seems quite logical to me.

**DRAMACYDAL** · 03-23-2008, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Gear

Both sides or one side, it won't make any difference.

-Gear

igf works by binding to igf receptors,so why would you only shoot one side?
when shooting after workout,not much igf will leave the site of injection,so dont you want to inject bi-laterally? im confused here

**Gear** · 03-23-2008, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by DRAMACYDAL

igf works by binding to igf receptors,so why would you only shoot one side?
when shooting after workout,not much igf will leave the site of injection,so dont you want to inject bi-laterally? im confused here

This has been discussed over and over again, but I guess here we go again. Nothing wrong with bi-lat administration but I have found no difference in gains when shooting in one spot only. I usually follow what works best for me.

-Gear

**DRAMACYDAL** · 03-23-2008, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Gear

This has been discussed over and over again, but I guess here we go again. Nothing wrong with bi-lat administration but I have found no difference in gains when shooting in one spot only. I usually follow what works best for me.

-Gear

this scares me,beause that means that the igf is freely flating around in your blood and attaching to any receptors
are you injecting pwo? or 1st thing in morning?

**Gear** · 03-23-2008, 12:07 PM

I've experimented with LR3 quite a few times, I've taken it at all different times of the day, PWO, AM, pre workout and during the day.

-Gear

**Gear** · 03-23-2008, 12:45 PM

Dramacydal,

I just realised there has been a miss understanding between us.

I am referring to LR3-IGF-1, not huIGF-1. IGF-1 is very short lived, it has a half life of about 10 - 15 minutes therefore it would be great for site growth if injected immediately PWO. This type of IGF should be administrated immidietly PWO bi-laterally in order to achieve maximum benefits.

With LR3-IGF-1, it isn't as important that you inject in the body part just trained bi-laterally as LR3 is in your system for many hours, and this is why I usually only have one shot of LR3-IGF-1.

If you want to increase the size of certain body parts then you are better if using huIGF-1.

Hope we understand eachother better now.

-Gear

**DRAMACYDAL** · 03-23-2008, 01:23 PM

yeah im also referring to the lr3,ive read that it doesnt leave the muscle until the muscle's igf receptors are completly saturated,so i thought that youd have to take mega doses to have the igf go all over the place.from what ive read,lr3 is great for site specific growth also as long as you use a moderate amount that will not spill

**Gear** · 03-23-2008, 01:33 PM

LR3 and site growth defenitely works, but if you are after site growth you are better of using IGF-1 as LR3 is in your system for longer therefore having the time to spread all over, this is what I have discoved during my research anyway.

-Gear

**DRAMACYDAL** · 03-23-2008, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Gear

You are right about loacl growth with LR3, it defenitely does help, but if you want local growth you are better of using IGF-1, and from the research I've done it seems that LR3 is in your system for longer therefore having the time to spread all over.

-Gear

i have been stuck on this issue ( lr3 or igf1) for a while,ive read contradictory things about bolth so i nthe end im going with the lr3, besides the fact that i cant find plain igf1,my source only carries lr3 and some frags

**Gear** · 03-23-2008, 01:54 PM

Yes it seems that most sources these days only carry LR3-IGF-1.

-Gear

**NoBuff** · 03-24-2008, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by NoBuff

What about cardio training when on IGF-1 LR3? Should I avoid high intensity cardio workouts? Figuring it could possibly boost enlargement of heart and lunges? I've never heard this before, but it seems quite logical to me.

Does anyone know?

**Gear** · 03-24-2008, 03:08 PM

Nothing wrong with cardio + IGF. I did cardio 2 x p/day + weight training when I was using IGF and had some nice gains.

-Gear

**NoBuff** · 03-25-2008, 05:34 AM

Should I take any steroids simutaniously when on 1GF-1 LR3? I'm thinking of starting with anavar 1 week before before my first IGF-1 injection. Is anavar the best choice?

**Gear** · 03-25-2008, 06:42 AM

What AAS you use depends on what you want to achieve.

-Gear

**Gear** · 03-25-2008, 06:53 AM

Take a read at our AAS profiles on S.com home page and choose what AAS suit your needs.

-Gear

**Nickster#1** · 03-25-2008, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by NoBuff

Should i be concerned about alcohol consummation when on IGF-1? Like more than usual?

-John

Alcohol consumption will hinder anything whethter it be an antibiotic or AS or peptides. As long as you do it in moderation, such as a drink or a beer once in awhile, your fine. But if your drinking everyday, then yes, you are going to NOT get the full benifits from whatever it is your doing. Pretty fricking obvious. As gear said, use the search button, read everyones differant opinions and experiences, and decide these things for yourself based on what you read. Your best bet for questions about peptides is to do a search on all the things gear has to says about anything on this forum. In my opinion, he will give you the most educated answer. But use the search button and the option to look up other members posts. Thats why these options are in place.