Doesn't Make Sense

**Surfstud18** · 04-23-2008, 03:13 AM

Hey mates I've been learning all I can about Insulin and i'm having some questions about this article I read. It seems like everything I found and researched on the site talked about how you gain alot of fat with insulin so how would this work?!!?

**Surfstud18** · 04-23-2008, 03:13 AM

There is a hardcore trick the pro's use that forces your body into ketosis within only 8 to 12 hours allowing more time for the body to burn fatty acid stores before your carb-up stage. The trick, originally brought to my attention by Dan Duchaine, is the use of Humulin R injectible insulin . Humulin R insulin is important compared to other types of insulin because it reaches its peak effect in 2 hours, causing a quick metabolic shift into ketosis. Using small amounts of insulin will cause your blood glucose to drop, in a quick and controlled manner. Glucose levels hit about 50 mg/ml and force your body into ketosis at a much faster rate. Insulin is one of the most controversial drugs used in bodybuilding today. The reality is that if you slip up and use too much insulin, you could enter a hypoglycemic coma, which could cause irreversible damage to your body and in some cases prove fatal. Please note that that the following information is highly controversial and provided solely for informational purposes.
Despite the controversy surrounding its use insulin is one of the easiest substances in bodybuilding to obtain legally. It is available over the counter in most U.S. states and costs between $20-$30 in local pharmacies and is even cheaper through U.S. mail order pharmacies. In most U.S. states a prescription is required to purchase and possess the insulin syringes used to administer the drug. This problem can be avoided by ordering syringes from mail order sources. A person using insulin for bodybuilding purposes should face no real legal ramifications. The only problems that can arise is getting caught possessing syringes with out a script or actually selling insulin for any purpose other than the treatment of diabetes.
A glucometer, to display your blood glucose levels, is highly recommended while attempting to use insulin safely. A glucometer costs around $100. It is possible to use insulin without a glucometer if your are cautious but it is not recommended. You will also need to purchase insulin syringes that hold up to 100 units. Do not use regular syringes. You will need to measure out precise amounts of insulin, between 2-3 units, which cannot be measured accurately using a regular syringe.
Here's how it works:
After you eat your last carb meal on Sunday night, you will need to take a reading on the glucometer to check your blood glucose level. The body's normal blood glucose level is usually between 80mg/ml and 120 mg/ml. At this point, draw 2-3 units of insulin into a syringe and inject it subcutaneously into a fold of skin. After waiting between two or three hours, take another reading with the glucometer. You blood glucose level will have dropped since your last measurement. Again inject 2 units of insulin and measure your blood glucose level around 2 hours after your injection. Repeat this cycle until your blood glucose level is between 55 mg/ml and 65 mg/ml. When your blood glucose is at this level, you will descend into ketosis while you sleep. ALWAYS REMEMBER TO STAY AWAKE FOR AT LEAST 2 HOURS AFTER AN INSULIN INJECTION. The last thing you want is to fall asleep after an injection and have your blood glucose drop to a dangerously low level while you sleep. You could fall into a hypoglycemic coma and no one will recognize the symptoms until it is too late.
Upon waking in the morning, measure your urine with the Ketostix. Measuring ketones in the morning is necessary because the sticks show only the unused level of ketones in your body and should show trace to moderate ketone levels. If you measure them in the afternoon the numbers will not be as accurate, because most of the ketones that were produced will have been used by your body as fuel.
If you do not have access to a glucometer, you will need to be much more cautious when attempting to use insulin. Since you will not be able to accurately measure your blood glucose, only small amounts of insulin should be used. You can start out with 2 units of insulin after your carb meal on Sunday. After that you should not use anymore than 1-1 1/2 units of insulin every two hours. A total of two or three injections should be made and then you should measure with the ketostix upon waking in the morning. If you still have not entered ketosis, use insulin injections of 1-1 1/2 units every two hours until you enter ketosis. This way takes longer, but you should enter ketosis within 18-20 hours.
In the not too distant future, Insulin intake will become even easier. Thanks to a new insulin inhaler, by Generex, insulin injections may become relics of the past. The inhaler sprays insulin out into the mouth like a mist, which coats the membranes of the mouth, throat and tongue. The insulin then passes quickly through the membranes into the bloodstream. The new insulin inhaler is in phase two clinical trials. If all goes well, the Food and Drug Administration could put it on a fast track for approval, making it available on the market in less than two years.
5. The Phenyltropic PPA/Humulin R Cutting Stack
Week One: Follow the ketogenic diet alone, or on Sunday night of the diet inject 1 to 2 Units Humulin R Insulin, until blood sugar levels have dropped. No more than 3-4 small injections (1-2 units) should be necessary to enter ketosis, as outlined above.
Week Two: Begin using Phenyltropic PPA on Monday at one tab/day and work up to three tabs/day.*
Week Three: Continue as outlined above making Sunday the Humulin R insulin day with no Phenyltropic PPA.
*NOTE: As with any other type of supplement containing caffeine and norephedrine, Phenyltropic PPA should be titrated onto slowly and titrated off the same way. As with all stimulants, one tends to become accustomed to them over time. Soon you need to take more to get the same effect. The individual taking Phenyltropic PPA is really the only one who can answer if the dose is too high. Most athletes work up to three tabs/day. You've also got to watch out for other sources of caffeine when using a product such as Phenyltropic PPA. Within three weeks after the full dosage has been reached, the body will adjust and the caffeine will lose its effect. However, if you add a baby aspirin with each dose, the potentiating effect of the aspirin will prolong the effectiveness of the "stack" for quite a while longer. Remember there is additional stress on the adrenal glands and at least one day per week the stack should be discontinued. A total break for at least two to three weeks after 4-6 weeks of usage is also a good idea.

**Gear** · 04-23-2008, 04:58 AM

I don't know how old this information is but it seems that it is outdated. Humalin-R is not a good option as it is in your system for too long. You want a quik hit which will speed up the process of recovery instead of having insulin in your system for 6 - 8 hours.

He also mentions having 2 - 3IU, this much would hardly effect your blood glucose. In most cases many won't feel anything till they use at least 6 - 7IU. It's certainly a good idea to start on lower doses such as 2 or 3IU but these doses are hardly effective.

He also recomends the users to keep on injecting insulin till blood glucose level drops to 55mg/dL, this is very dangerous advice. I have had my blood glucose drop to just under 60mg/dL and I tell you it's not a good feeling. Never let you blood glucose drop below 70mg/dL. By the way, he has his measurements wrong, it's mg/dL, not mg/ml.

He also says "ALWAYS REMEMBER TO STAY AWAKE FOR AT LEAST 2 HOURS AFTER AN INSULIN INJECTION". If you know about different types of insulins then this statement will not make sense. You should not sleep till insulin is totally out of your system. For example, humalog is in your system for about 4 - 5hrs post injection therfore you should not sleep for at least 4 - 5hrs post injection. Humalin-R is in your system for 6 - 8hrs therefore you should not sleep for at least that amount of time post injection. No insulin is in your system for only 2hrs, so why would he say the comment above (the underlined comment)? The amount of time user should not sleep for depends on what type of insulin the user uses.

Insulin can be used throughout the day (before meals) but this practise can easily lead to fat gain. Insulin is mostly beneficial after training so there is no need to use it at any other time.

He does give some good advice like monitoring your blood glucose and starting on a lower dose but he needs to be more clear on some of the stuff he has written.

-Gear

**Surfstud18** · 04-23-2008, 06:37 AM

Okay that makes way better sense as to what I have been reading. So basically if your going to use insulin the best time to use it is right after you lift with your PWO shake. not really for weight loss but weight gain?