HGH - First cycle

[manwitplans]

Age: 33
Weight: 105kgs
Height: 189cm
Training: 10 + years

Anywho....

What would you suggest for a first cycle, the cycle is ment to be a massbuilder, and only a massbuilder, don't care about fatloss effect, I can eat a little less to drop fat, not shit out money on HGH, I want muscle gains.

- Dosage for optimal growth (I can take whatever dosage, that fits)
- Length (Longest possible for hyperplasia down the road)
- Needle protocoll, I.E: Morning, after workout, before workout.. what have you.

Make some good advice now guys, thanks

[Gear]

At your age you will still need a minimum of 5IU p/day for muscle gains but since this is your first time with HGH I suggest you start on about 2- 3IU and work your way up slowly.

Length wise, I would go for as long as possible.

You can pretty much take HGH at any time in the day but I would avoid injectiong too close to bed time. I would usually have 2 - 3IU in the morning upon waking up, followed by my second injection which would take place around lunchtime. Since you more than likely won't feel the need to take anymore than 8IU I would have 4IU in the AM and 4IU lunchtime.

-Gear

[Gear]

If you are after pure mass I suggest you add AAS to your HGH cycle. If you have experience with insulin then I suggest you add that also. HGH, insulin and AAS is the ultimate combo for muscle gains.

Good luck.

-Gear

[***xxx***]

I ll post my protocoll - the "old school" protocoll differs a lot from it, but anyhow (though I have to say I like the progressive theory better...)

in Europe it is theorized that gh injection on every day creates a negative feedback loop involving IGF-I ->high blood levels of IGF-I lead to decreased secretion of growth hormone. this can lead to a permanent suppression of the somatotroph and there less release of gh after your hgh cycle. GH also feeds back to inhibit GHRH secretion and probably has a direct inhibitory effect on secretion from the somatotroph.

now the direct effects of GH are the result of growth hormone binding its receptor on target cells. fat cells have growth hormone receptors and GH stimulates them to break down triglyceride and supresses their ability to take up and accumulate circulating lipids. the problem is that GH only circulates minutes in the blood stream so all real effects are mediated by IGF1. the majority of the growth promoting effects of growth hormone is actually due to IGF-I acting on its target cells. and this effect lasts longer than one day.

->therefore there is no need to inject growth hormone for muscle development every day, it only leaves you with less cash and more side efeects, but not better results.

what does this mean:

if you normally would take 4 iu every day, and you train 3x week, you would take gh only on training days 6 iu (5daysx4iu=20iu:3training days=6,66iu)directly after training, right before POW.

such a cycle would be complementet with e.g. 750mg test e per week and, if necessary (only after blood test), thyroid hormones (t3, not t4 like Anthony roberts tried to sell...) and prolly insuline, IF you develop a blood sugar problem, which is highly unlikely.

[***xxx***]

by the way, it s not such a new protocoll, but is has only recently gained the attention in Europe.

actually it is an american protocoll, because victor comte designed it and all the ballplayers and other athletes, including barry bonds, used the cycle this way (gh eod, on training days respectively).

[manwitplans]

If you are after pure mass I suggest you add AAS to your HGH cycle. If you have experience with insulin then I suggest you add that also. HGH, insulin and AAS is the ultimate combo for muscle gains.

Good luck.

-Gear

Not wanting to screw with insulin.
What about regime?

How would you take it?

5 days 2 off
7 days on
or what..

What about the other protocol that the other guy wrote, take it on training days and such.

The main thing i'm looking for are muscle growth and hyperplasia (hyperplasia comes in first place, do to that allows me to grow further then my genes would have allowed me, with AAS and what have you...

[bobr]

I have taken HGH in comparatively small dosage for 15 straight months. I take 2iu per day along with test and quadralone. I am in an anti-aging study and my wife has a fellowship in anti-aging medicine. Their research claims that moderate dose over a long time is better than a high dose over short periods. I get my blood work done every 3 months and the results all show elevated GH levels. I have had to titrate my T3 levels as they have been consistently low. I am currently at 4 gr t3t4(arm***). I am 52 years old so my level of natural GH is much lower than yours and I'm not too concerned with my natural GH production. When I started this protocol I weighed 175 pounds. I now weigh 205.-33" waist. I am concerned with cycling the test/quad dosage. -Bob

[Bulldog1115]

try this cycle for muscle growth:
1-12 Test Enthanate 500mg/w= shoot every 3.5 days 1cc
Minimum of 3 months Hgh 5iu/eod {5 days} and inuslin 6iu
1-4 dianabol
* have Arimadex on hand in case of sides
PCT
2 weeks after last test shot Nolva and clomid for 3 weeks