IGF and insulin without HGH

**rhino1** · 10-02-2008, 08:36 PM

basically...i have back pain and problems with my knees....and im hoping the igf will help with this

Ideally i would use hgh, igf, and insulin but I dont have the funds to run a full cycle(yet)

How beneficial will igf be alone without HGH...should I wait and run it with hgh???

**Gear** · 10-02-2008, 10:44 PM

I don't think IGF will help, and in order to know if a certain drug is the correct type of treatment we need to know excatly what injury you have and the severity of it.

You don't need to use HGH if you're using IGF.

-Gear

**rhino1** · 10-03-2008, 04:03 AM

Well...never have been diagnosed but it seems to me that is it just some kind of degenerative or compressive issue with the cartilage...

I Know only a doctor can definitavily diagnose me...but im an RN and am pretty versed in anatomy and physiology...

Basically...I have to sleep with pillows under my knees so my back is not over flexed, after squatting, my primary discomfort is in my lumbar on both sided of my spine very close to the lateral portions of my vertebra....

sort of feels like a strain of my tendon/ligamint/cartilage in that area...

did alot of powerlifting and was fairly good....squat 600 deadlift 625 both at 181lb class...pain stops me from doing those weights these days...

now i ONLY do bodybuilding type workouts