Want to take the HGH plunge...

[lawstudent007]

I've searched throughout the site and now consider myself to be well read (thread-wise). I just have a few questions.

I've done my research on HGH injections and want to take the plunge. I've called a few wellness and anti-aging type clinics and did some searches online. I'm just so afraid to buy something that's not really HGH. I know the rules about sources and asking so I'm not going there. I'm just wondering if it is really even possible to find HGH without a direct contact, by just searching on the net. Or should I just go with one of the over-priced clinics?

A little background: My diet's on track, I work out 5 days a week (cardio, weights, resistance training, etc), but just can seem to get the numbers or inches down. I've just been stuck here for a while. My ultimate goal is more fat loss and muscle gain (just nice definition, no bulk). Some of my lady friends take HCG and say it works wonders. Personally, I'm more interested in HGH.

[PT]

hcg is useless for what you want to do but hgh has done wonders for alot of females. 1iu-1.5iu a day is a good dose most. as for buying, there are many different sources and you'll have to find one then run a source check with one of the mods or vets here.

[thefunkybuddha]

Age? You say your diet is on track but it has been my experience that people often think that is the case but in reality their diet could be much improved. Are you saying you can't improve your diet at all? What type of diet are you on? Also, what does the cardio component of your workout regimine look like? I'm certainly no expert but from what I have seen and read here as well as my personal experiences with HGH (omnitrope), in terms of bodyfat reduction you get much more results from diet and exercise.

[lawstudent007]

PT: From reading the forum, I've noticed that many men take it when they hit a plateau, and they usually add it to the anything else they're already taking. I've also read that it helped some women to decrease fat and increase muscle. You're saying that it's not good for my situation. Well what do u think it's ideal for? (Not being snotty, I just sincerely want to know you opinion). When going through old threads, I've noticed that you usually give honest and straight forward advice.

Thefunkybudda: Well, it's just that I seem to be at a standstill with my fat loss/muscle increase efforts. For my diet, I basically do not eat any processed foods, no soda or juices, no sugar, and no pasta/bread/rice. Well, occasionally some brown rice. I eat lettuce, cabbage, steamed or boiled veggies, almonds, egg whites, and some beans. I also eat baked chicken, baked beef, baked pork, baked fish, tuna, salmon. This is basically what I eat every single day for over a year. Once in a while, I'll have a cheat day where I'll eat various fruit. I know, I know, I don't eat much fruit. Once in a while I splurge on berries but it's not nearly enough fruit as I should be getting.

Here's my cardio:
1hr early morning group outdoor fitness bootcamp (various cardio & resistance training. It's basically a wannabe bootcamp program with a trainer).
1hr elliptical machine in morning
45min TaeBo Video (lol, I know, but I like it) before class.
1hr treadmill at gym and then 1hr weights and resistance training.
I also do push-ups, squats, lunges, crunches, leg lifts, and jump rope before I go to bed (and somehow I have no trouble sleeping...). I just push myself and do as much as I can do for 2 minutes.

I didn't start out with this regimen from the beginning, I just added things on as I went along. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong. I'm no expert, I just researched information, went to many different gym exercise classes, and developed my own routine. I lost a great deal or weight and gained some muscle. But I've seem no improvement for several months now.


Any advice appreciated....

PS. Quick question: I know may people have source check requirements (i.e. 50+ post, etc). Do the mods have them as well? I remember this being mentioned on one of the old threats, but I don't remember where I found it.

[thefunkybuddha]

PT: From reading the forum, I've noticed that many men take it when they hit a plateau, and they usually add it to the anything else they're already taking. I've also read that it helped some women to decrease fat and increase muscle. You're saying that it's not good for my situation. Well what do u think it's ideal for? (Not being snotty, I just sincerely want to know you opinion). When going through old threads, I've noticed that you usually give honest and straight forward advice.

Thefunkybudda: Well, it's just that I seem to be at a standstill with my fat loss/muscle increase efforts. For my diet, I basically do not eat any processed foods, no soda or juices, no sugar, and no pasta/bread/rice. Well, occasionally some brown rice. I eat lettuce, cabbage, steamed or boiled veggies, almonds, egg whites, and some beans. I also eat baked chicken, baked beef, baked pork, baked fish, tuna, salmon. This is basically what I eat every single day for over a year. Once in a while, I'll have a cheat day where I'll eat various fruit. I know, I know, I don't eat much fruit. Once in a while I
splurge on berries but it's not nearly enough fruit as I should be getting.

He said hcg won't do anything for you except make you more fertile...men take it because it has a different effect, it helps restore our natural testosterone levels that may have been reduced as a result of anabolics. HGH is what you are looking for based on what your describing...maybe even a little Winstrol...but that's up to you. I know a lot of people are concerned with the types of food they eat...but when I asked diet I was mainly referring to quantity of protien, carbs and fat. It sounds like your doing a lot of cardio but you say you just started some of it. Don't get me wrong, HGH works....but not at the same rate and level that a disciplined diet will. All I'm saying is that you may be a little dissapointed with the results and the amount of money you'll spend on hgh. I find atkins a much more effective fat burner than hgh...the trick is being disciplined.

Here's my cardio:
1hr early morning group outdoor fitness bootcamp (various cardio & resistance training. It's basically a wannabe bootcamp program with a trainer).
1hr elliptical machine in morning
45min TaeBo Video (lol, I know, but I like it) before class.
1hr treadmill at gym and then 1hr weights and resistance training.
I also do push-ups, squats, lunges, crunches, leg lifts, and jump rope before I go to bed (and somehow I have no trouble sleeping...). I just push myself and do as much as I can do for 2 minutes.

I didn't start out with this regimen from the beginning, I just added things on as I went along. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong. I'm no expert, I just researched information, went to many different gym exercise classes, and developed my own routine. I lost a great deal or weight and gained some muscle. But I've seem no improvement for several months now.


Any advice appreciated....

PS. Quick question: I know may people have source check requirements (i.e. 50+ post, etc). Do the mods have them as well? I remember this being mentioned on one of the old threats, but I don't remember where I found it.

[MikeMilo]

It sure is expensive...

[lawstudent007]

Ok, I'm a bit lost. Thefunkybuddha, what is off topic?

[thefunkybuddha]

Ok, I'm a bit lost. Thefunkybuddha, what is off topic?

Im not sure what your asking. PT said hcg is a waste...but said hgh has done wonders...i was just clarifying that. Is that what you were confused on?

[LAW]

How old are you? Im just asking because if you are young enough to have your own Hormones working for you then you should be able to loose what you want with diet along. Have you tried the anabolic diet? It worked wonders for me.

[lawstudent007]

Thefunkybuddha: our last post said "off topic" that was what I was confused on....

Law: I'm 30. I've never heard of the anabolic diet. I'm going to research it.

[lawstudent007]

Law: Ok, I googled the anabolic diet and have a general idea. Do you think the anabolic diet is better that the atkins diet?

[thefunkybuddha]

Law: Ok, I googled the anabolic diet and have a general idea. Do you think the anabolic diet is better that the atkins diet?

IMO nothing beats atkins in fat loss. You should post a few pics so we can see where your at.

[Silver-Bolt]

I sure hope you guys are kidding regarding Atkins. Atkins is a terrible program that is destined to fail. Your body needs carbs. The quality of carbs is what makes the difference. You may be able to cut some fat on Atkins but you will not likely be building any muscle. Protein is the body's building blocks and carbs are the fuel needed to put them to work.

[thefunkybuddha]

I sure hope you guys are kidding regarding Atkins. Atkins is a terrible program that is destined to fail. Your body needs carbs. The quality of carbs is what makes the difference. You may be able to cut some fat on Atkins but you will not likely be building any muscle. Protein is the body's building blocks and carbs are the fuel needed to put them to work.

Have you ever tried atkins? Are you familiar with the chemistry behind it? I'm guessing you don't since your mentioning quality of carbs. Ironically that's exactly what atkins is about. People wrongly assume atkins means elimination of all carbs...that just isn't the case. While there is a restriction of carbs during the induction phase, carbs are never eliminated.

Your correct that it isn't a diet that will build muscle, however nothing beats it in fat loss...which is what we are talking about.

[thefunkybuddha]

Also the cellular mechanism that gives hgh it's fat loss ability is very similar to the mechanism seen with atkins.

[strongboes]

oops

[MikeMilo]

A new forum is kind of dumbfounding to figure out at first, but from what I've read here to get the benefits of HGH, enough to justify it's cost, you have to have the steroids, thyroid, and insulin supplements to go with it, on top of fierce diet and exercise. From your aerobics workout, you MUST be in pretty good shape! Do other people say you look good? Do you talk to people at the gym about this topic?
I think to really get into this lifestyle you better get a lot of feedback from gymrat buddies. Books and the internet don't know you.

[thefunkybuddha]

A new forum is kind of dumbfounding to figure out at first, but from what I've read here to get the benefits of HGH, enough to justify it's cost, you have to have the steroids, thyroid, and insulin supplements to go with it, on top of fierce diet and exercise. From your aerobics workout, you MUST be in pretty good shape! Do other people say you look good? Do you talk to people at the gym about this topic?
I think to really get into this lifestyle you better get a lot of feedback from gymrat buddies. Books and the internet don't know you.

Yeah seriously. The workout you described is a lot. Thats why I asked to see a pic.

[lawstudent007]

Well here are the dreaded pics. I don't have many pics that show my body but you should get the point. Despite all my hard work, the fat just won't go away. I'm not like many of you here (i.e. firm, low body fat), but I have seen some changes. I gotta admit that those chair dips did wonders for my bat wings! Anyhow, you should be able to tell my before from after pics (white car & black outfit pics are most recent). I'm about 6ft tall and 2xx lbs My doc says I should weight no more that 174lbs but I don't see how. FYI: I have a large frame/structure.

On a side note, I've done Atkins in the past and loved it. People often mis-judge the atkins diet. This is usually bec that are misinformed by the general media or other people who only go by the rumors. Just because I do atkins does not mean I eat loads of mayo, bacon, eggs, sausages, etc...lol. Generally, I adhere to what I called a modified atkins diet. My body simply works better on a low glycemic index diet.

[thefunkybuddha]

Well it looks like you have done a lot of good work in comparing your pics. I've read a bit about hcg being used for dieting...I didn't know much about it but it also appears to give good results...although I'm not sure what you would see since the people who lost weight had weight to lose. From your last picture...it looks like the weight you want to lose is the hardest weight for anyone to lose...that last little bit. That being said, maybe hgh will help you. It's worth a try if you can afford it.

[Silver-Bolt]

Well here are the dreaded pics. I don't have many pics that show my body but you should get the point. Despite all my hard work, the fat just won't go away. I'm not like many of you here (i.e. firm, low body fat), but I have seen some changes. I gotta admit that those chair dips did wonders for my bat wings! Anyhow, you should be able to tell my before from after pics (white car & black outfit pics are most recent). I'm about 6ft tall and 2xx lbs My doc says I should weight no more that 174lbs but I don't see how. FYI: I have a large frame/structure.

On a side note, I've done Atkins in the past and loved it. People often mis-judge the atkins diet. This is usually bec that are misinformed by the general media or other people who only go by the rumors. Just because I do atkins does not mean I eat loads of mayo, bacon, eggs, sausages, etc...lol. Generally, I adhere to what I called a modified atkins diet. My body simply works better on a low glycemic index diet.

If the Adkins program was everything it is hyped to be would you be here now? Diets do not work long term. It takes a lifestyle change and life long commitment to keep the weight/fat off. There is a very small percentage of the population that has the never ending metabolism that allows them to eat anything and everything and not get fat. For the rest of us it requires a life long change in eating habbits. This is why it is so important to have your food intake dialed in before you start adding any chemicals. Without the dicipline of proper nutrition in place you will likely be in the same or worse shape a year from now. #1 food, #2 workout, #3 supplements.

[thefunkybuddha]

If the Adkins program was everything it is hyped to be would you be here now? Diets do not work long term. It takes a lifestyle change and life long commitment to keep the weight/fat off. There is a very small percentage of the population that has the never ending metabolism that allows them to eat anything and everything and not get fat. For the rest of us it requires a life long change in eating habbits. This is why it is so important to have your food intake dialed in before you start adding any chemicals. Without the dicipline of proper nutrition in place you will likely be in the same or worse shape a year from now. #1 food, #2 workout, #3 supplements.

Dude she looks good...look at the difference in her before and after pictures. That's all hype? She is trying to lose those last pounds that are hard for everyone. Absolutely nutrition is number one over everything else...and a lifestyle change/commitment. Don't eliminate carbs...choose the right carbs. That's all atkins my friend...read the book. Don't just regurgitate what you hear in the media. Everything you are saying is what Atkins is about.

[lawstudent007]

If the Adkins program was everything it is hyped to be would you be here now? Diets do not work long term. It takes a lifestyle change and life long commitment to keep the weight/fat off. There is a very small percentage of the population that has the never ending metabolism that allows them to eat anything and everything and not get fat. For the rest of us it requires a life long change in eating habbits. This is why it is so important to have your food intake dialed in before you start adding any chemicals. Without the dicipline of proper nutrition in place you will likely be in the same or worse shape a year from now. #1 food, #2 workout, #3 supplements.

You've made many good points that i definitely agree with, but I do believe you're missing an important aspect. Atkins is not simply a diet, but is also a way of life. In actuality, the term "diet" does not mean a "temporary" manner of eating. It is "the" manner eating (meaning your habitual methods or nourishment). When I used the term diet, I was not referring to a fad, but rather the way I live (aside form my occasional straying, of course.) I adapted the low glycemic index/atkins method because it suited my body best. As a previous poster said, atkins is not a no carb diet. It simply changes where the cards come from. Additionally, me being here has nothing to do with the success rate of atkins or my own diet habits. I'm relatively happy with my diet, and the atkins approach has been the best for my diet (as excessive carbs, well traditional carb diets, wreck havoc on my body.

On a side note, many women who have minor hormone issues or insulin resistance have live better with low carb diets, and physicians often recommend them for those cases as well. Back to the point. I'm here because despite my diet, I'm having trouble losing more weight. This leads me believe that I need to increase my physical exertion. Now, since I am a child of the current times, I want an easier & faster way. Let's face it, all these supplements are used to make things easier and push them along a little faster.

thefunkybuddha: Thanks for the encouragement. Actually, I'm trying to lose more than just the last few pounds. I carry my weight pretty well, but you wouldn't believe how much I weight. I'm about....... ok I'll just say it. I weight about 245. Ideally, I want to be under the 200 mark. So I have a good 60lbs to go.

[thefunkybuddha]

I couldn't have said it better myself. That is such a pet peeve of mine...the way people use the word diet. It has come to mean something different here in the US than what it's definition is. Diet coke isn't even called diet coke in the rest of the world...it's called coke light because diet coke doesn't make any sense. Keep up the good work.

[Silver-Bolt]

Law/Buddha,
My knowledge of Adkins is obviously dated. I looked at it when it first came out before the good Doc died (lol). Did not realize they revamped it into a viable program. I had many friends jump on it and they did drop weight and rather quickly. As soon as they went off the gained it all back and more. The original plan never taught good eating habits.

On to your current situation. There is still no substitute for hard work. GH does burn fat however it is slow and expensive. Have you tried switching up your cardio? Run intervals? Mix things up weekly so you don't do the same thing twice in a week. You need to challenge you body every time you exercise. Jumping on a treadmill and going through the motions will not cut it. If you can read or carry on a conversation while doing cardio you are not working hard enough. Weight training plays a big role in fat burning as well. Muscle burns many times the calories that fat does. The more muscle the more calories you burn. Also keep in mind that GH will burn fat but may not make you lose weight. I have dropped about 4% BF but weigh about 5 pounds more. Use the mirror and how your clothes fit as you gauge rather than the scale. To drop the 45-50 lbs you want I personally think GH is not the way to go.

[j4ever41]

yeah there is a lot of misunderstanding about atkins people have seen it on the news and think you will eat steak,eggs and butter all day,keep up the good work baby girl,have short term and long term goals.

[thefunkybuddha]

Law/Buddha,
My knowledge of Adkins is obviously dated. I looked at it when it first came out before the good Doc died (lol). Did not realize they revamped it into a viable program. I had many friends jump on it and they did drop weight and rather quickly. As soon as they went off the gained it all back and more. The original plan never taught good eating habits.

On to your current situation. There is still no substitute for hard work. GH does burn fat however it is slow and expensive. Have you tried switching up your cardio? Run intervals? Mix things up weekly so you don't do the same thing twice in a week. You need to challenge you body every time you exercise. Jumping on a treadmill and going through the motions will not cut it. If you can read or carry on a conversation while doing cardio you are not working hard enough. Weight training plays a big role in fat burning as well. Muscle burns many times the calories that fat does. The more muscle the more calories you burn. Also keep in mind that GH will burn fat but may not make you lose weight. I have dropped about 4% BF but weigh about 5 pounds more. Use the mirror and how your clothes fit as you gauge rather than the scale. To drop the 45-50 lbs you want I personally think GH is not the way to go.

His book came out in the 70's long before he died...he died maybe 5 years ago. While new products have come out such as splenda and a whole line of atkins approved foods...the atkins diet has always preached the right carbs and lifestyle changes...it is probably the most mis understood diet...and not becuase it has changed. It isnt a new form of it. Many diets today are derived from Atkins theories.

[lawstudent007]

Silver-Bolt: I hope I didn't come off as too defensive. I'm just so used to people (some that dont even have a clue on weight loss) rag on me for my atkins approach. Well, I know you have a point about the whole upgrading my exercise routine. I just want a little boost...lol. I'm sorry, I was born in the "I want it now" generation. Even though I know it's a bad way to think, it's a hard mental habit to break. I just want to be thin again.---Err, well not thin, just back to high school or my size at age 21. I want to be able to wear that bikini or go wild at Key West's annual Fantasy Fest! LOL. Ok off my soapbox.

[Silver-Bolt]

Silver-Bolt: I hope I didn't come off as too defensive. I'm just so used to people (some that dont even have a clue on weight loss) rag on me for my atkins approach. Well, I know you have a point about the whole upgrading my exercise routine. I just want a little boost...lol. I'm sorry, I was born in the "I want it now" generation. Even though I know it's a bad way to think, it's a hard mental habit to break. I just want to be thin again.---Err, well not thin, just back to high school or my size at age 21. I want to be able to wear that bikini or go wild at Key West's annual Fantasy Fest! LOL. Ok off my soapbox.

Law,
Most all of us seek the same. Wow to be 21 again and know what I know now? Keep at it and you will make it. It is a very good idea to have your blood work done prior to starting GH so you have a baseline.

Try the Duval Inn for FF. It's about midway on Duval but a half a block off the strip. Small place but right in the middle of all the fun.

[lawstudent007]

Law,
Most all of us seek the same. Wow to be 21 again and know what I know now? Keep at it and you will make it. It is a very good idea to have your blood work done prior to starting GH so you have a baseline.

Try the Duval Inn for FF. It's about midway on Duval but a half a block off the strip. Small place but right in the middle of all the fun.

Yeah that's a good idea....I'll definitely get some bloodwork.
Duvall Inn? Ok, I'll keep that in mind when me and my body are ready

[JimInAK]

I'm 50 and have been doing HGH for several months. I have lost about 20 lbs. (went from 184 to below 164 lbs.) I cut bread and sugar out of my diet. I substitute erythritol/xylitol for sugar. It seems to be much healthier than the other sugar substitutes. I reduced my potato intake drastically, also.

I really feel better and stronger with HGH.

[JimInAK]

I'm 50 and have been doing HGH for several months. I have lost about 20 lbs. (went from 184 to below 164 lbs.) I cut bread and sugar out of my diet. I substitute erythritol/xylitol for sugar. It seems to be much healthier than the other sugar substitutes. I reduced my potato intake drastically, also.

I really feel better and stronger with HGH.

[JimInAK]

I'm 50 and have been doing HGH for several months. I have lost about 20 lbs. (went from 184 to below 164 lbs.) I cut bread and sugar out of my diet. I substitute erythritol/xylitol for sugar. It seems to be much healthier than the other sugar substitutes. I reduced my potato intake drastically, also.

I really feel better and stronger with HGH.

[xXDevilDogXx]

I'm 50 and have been doing HGH for several months. I have lost about 20 lbs. (went from 184 to below 164 lbs.) I cut bread and sugar out of my diet. I substitute erythritol/xylitol for sugar. It seems to be much healthier than the other sugar substitutes. I reduced my potato intake drastically, also.

I really feel better and stronger with HGH.

I'm 50 and have been doing HGH for several months. I have lost about 20 lbs. (went from 184 to below 164 lbs.) I cut bread and sugar out of my diet. I substitute erythritol/xylitol for sugar. It seems to be much healthier than the other sugar substitutes. I reduced my potato intake drastically, also.

I really feel better and stronger with HGH.

I'm 50 and have been doing HGH for several months. I have lost about 20 lbs. (went from 184 to below 164 lbs.) I cut bread and sugar out of my diet. I substitute erythritol/xylitol for sugar. It seems to be much healthier than the other sugar substitutes. I reduced my potato intake drastically, also.

I really feel better and stronger with HGH.

I heard somewhere that taking HGH after you are 50 can make you double and sometimes even triple post.......?

[JimInAK]

Sorry bout that... (I don't know how it happened ???)

At least there were no comments about loss of brain function or other reasons for my obvious error... Thanks guys. ; )

It might have been cause by the rumbling and shaking caused by the Redoubt volcano... that's my story and I'm sticking to it... LOL !!!

[lawstudent007]

I heard somewhere that taking HGH after you are 50 can make you double and sometimes even triple post.......?

Hahahah....

[luxifer93]

I know some girls who do growth and I notice the caveman look they get, maybe they lie about how much they're taking but it's not a lot. Why not try clen for a while, way cheaper, and it won't make you fugly.

[lawstudent007]

I know some girls who do growth and I notice the caveman look they get, maybe they lie about how much they're taking but it's not a lot. Why not try clen for a while, way cheaper, and it won't make you fugly.

Hahaha...omg, don't say that. Now you're scaring me. I'm not conceited, but I do have a cute face. And what's a cute body without a cute face? Not worth it. But I thought you don't get those side effects if you're doing only 2iu's a day. Right? Plus, I was hoping to bank on all the otehr benefits if hg (i.e. better hair growth, injury healing, better/tighter skin, etc....) Do you know around how much these girls were taking?

[luxifer93]

She said she was taking 4iu's but I think she's full of it, I think it was more, I'll see if I can find out.

[Edgar]

my friend had a shoulder injury and after one week on glos his shoulder is killing him he says. I have never understood why that happens but I have herd it twice now with people that had injuries in the past. yes I am hijacking a little sorry lawstudent. I just wanted to point something out to you, that depending what quality of GH you get 2 iu will be as good or better than 4iu from another. apples and oranges.