using slin too close to sleep.

[mx3]

with my work schedule I normally end up getting done training around six thirty or seven at night. It takes me about twenty min. to get home from the gym. So my ? is by the time I get home to take my insulin it will be around sevenish and I go to bed at ten. will three hours be enough time for the slin to deactivate so I can sleep by ten, I don't know how else to accomplish this. I will have my post workout shake and carbs and then one meal afterwards and then its time for bed. Do you guys think this can work.

[jimmyinkedup]

what kind of insulin ?

[mx3]

what kind of insulin?

im not sure yet I would like to use humalog or something similar but my sources don't carry slin so I might be stuck using humilin r since you don't need a script for it.

[mx3]

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[jimmyinkedup]

i wouldnt use humiln r so close to bedtime - not at all ....humalog - u may be able to get away with humalog 3 hrs before bed ...even that i would wait at least 4 hours before sleep -thats just me.
heres a link: http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed...fo.cfm?id=5448

[mx3]

i wouldnt use humiln r so close to bedtime - not at all ....humalog - u may be able to get away with humalog 3 hrs before bed ...even that i would wait at least 4 hours before sleep -thats just me.
heres a link: http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed...fo.cfm?id=5448

I know I really wouldn't like to use humilin r but I think getting humalog is going to be next to impossible for me. Maybe there is another way to use humilin r throughout the day instead but from what ive read first time insulin users are not supposed to use the all day protocol because it is extremely risky. Im stuck I dont know what to do about this.

[PT]

why not just order humalog?? there are hundreds of legit canadien pharms. that sell it online. just find one and order

[Deep_Fried]

Great, lets all push insulin on the "insulin newb" with a 3 hour pre bed window.

For gods sake this is the most irresponsible ****ed up advice for someone who needs a safe 1st experience to judge how their body reacts to slin.

Even with log 3 hours is a gambling risk!!! Some ppl need a longer time for slin to clear, EVEN, Humalog or eqivalent fast acting slin.

How are you going to determin if you are that person when you go to be 3 1/2 hours after your shot of log and don't wake up.

This is the most pathetic direction of a thread especially for a guy that is relying on help in not killing himself due to stupidity...


My advice:

Don't do any slin PWO unless you can move your workout out of the narrow prebed window. Use slin when you can be awake to notice its effects for no less than 5 hours EVEN with Humalog, all while your pockets are stuffed with glucose tabs or simple carb/candy equivelent.
Once you have a longer slin history under your belt and know the intricate ins and outs of how you are affected, you can then gamble on whether the chances are in your favor for going to bed 3 hours after your shot... Even then, I still wouldn't...

[Flex-Appeal]

Im with Jimmy, if i don't have a 4 hr window i will skip that slin shot that day. Unreasonable risk = stupidity.

[jimmyinkedup]

Great, lets all push insulin on the "insulin newb" with a 3 hour pre bed window.

For gods sake this is the most irresponsible ****ed up advice for someone who needs a safe 1st experience to judge how their body reacts to slin.

Even with log 3 hours is a gambling risk!!! Some ppl need a longer time for slin to clear, EVEN, Humalog or eqivalent fast acting slin.

How are you going to determin if you are that person when you go to be 3 1/2 hours after your shot of log and don't wake up.

This is the most pathetic direction of a thread especially for a guy that is relying on help in not killing himself due to stupidity...


My advice:

Don't do any slin PWO unless you can move your workout out of the narrow prebed window. Use slin when you can be awake to notice its effects for no less than 5 hours EVEN with Humalog, all while your pockets are stuffed with glucose tabs or simple carb/candy equivelent.
Once you have a longer slin history under your belt and know the intricate ins and outs of how you are affected, you can then gamble on whether the chances are in your favor for going to bed 3 hours after your shot... Even then, I still wouldn't...

Are you ok over there? From what i can read no one pushed insulin on the newb or "recommended" humalog at all ...you should re - read the above posts my friend.... He said he might have to use humilin r - i said no way - even with humalog id wait 4 hours before bed. I also posted a chart outlining peak times and duration of those 2 type of insulin for him. PT questioned why he would have to use humalin r when humalog is so readily avaiable - you are WAY overreacting and not reading exactly what people post bro....

[mx3]

Are you ok over there? From what i can read no one pushed insulin on the newb or "recommended" humalog at all ...you should re - read the above posts my friend.... He said he might have to use humilin r - i said no way - even with humalog id wait 4 hours before bed. I also posted a chart outlining peak times and duration of those 2 type of insulin for him. PT questioned why he would have to use humalin r when humalog is so readily avaiable - you are WAY overreacting and not reading exactly what people post bro....

I will look into the humalog. But it sounds like even if I use humalog it still wouldn't be safe to use pwo and I can't change my training times. Im trying not to sound too stupid on this one I just haven't had a chance to do all the research yet, all my exp is with aas I never really thought I would be using insulin until just recently. Is there another protocol like preworkout or during the day or something that will achieve the same results as post workout.

[Deep_Fried]

Are you ok over there? From what i can read no one pushed insulin on the newb or "recommended" humalog at all ...you should re - read the above posts my friend.... He said he might have to use humilin r - i said no way - even with humalog id wait 4 hours before bed. I also posted a chart outlining peak times and duration of those 2 type of insulin for him. PT questioned why he would have to use humalin r when humalog is so readily avaiable - you are WAY overreacting and not reading exactly what people post bro....

Look at the post right above mine by PT.

why not just order humalog?? there are hundreds of legit canadien pharms. that sell it online. just find one and order

Thats what Im referring to. I figured it was a given since my post was right below it and the info there was basically to just go get Humalog and use it

This is the internet, guy, pushing is in the eye of the beholder. Push me off a cliff or talk me into believing I can fly yields the same results.
People come to these forums for advice, sometimes advice that can make a difference between life and death. So a Senior Member or AR Hall of Famer alluded that it is OK and suggested it, **** why the hell not...

At least if you or I can be dramatic till the day we die, slin boy may go to sleep and not wake up tomorrow if someone does not step in and make this thread stand out.
People need to be aware at all costs and DRAMA is a small price to pay for less than intelligent answers to life threatning decisions.

DRAMA or DEATH? hmm. Let the OP decide. It's not my life...

[jimmyinkedup]

I will look into the humalog. But it sounds like even if I use humalog it still wouldn't be safe to use pwo and I can't change my training times. Im trying not to sound too stupid on this one I just haven't had a chance to do all the research yet, all my exp is with aas I never really thought I would be using insulin until just recently. Is there another protocol like preworkout or during the day or something that will achieve the same results as post workout.

In the past many (and me personally) have used it upon waking in the am and also post workout. From what i understand many dont use it strictly PWO anymore . Some in fact do use it pre workout - but that scares me and i never have so i dont personally recommend it - however NARK is very knowledgeable on this particular situation (times to use slin etc...). Id look for his input...... Me ive always used in am & pwo and in recent years strictly PWO....
Oh and btw - you dont sound stupid at all - your being smart asking for advice before just using slin - a very good idea.... it can be dangerous if not used properly and also if not used properly (dosage and carb intake amount and timing) can make you fat!

[mx3]

In the past many (and me personally) have used it upon waking in the am and also post workout. From what i understand many dont use it strictly PWO anymore . Some in fact do use it pre workout - but that scares me and i never have so i dont personally recommend it - however NARK is very knowledgeable on this particular situation (times to use slin etc...). Id look for his input...... Me ive always used in am & pwo and in recent years strictly PWO....
Oh and btw - you dont sound stupid at all - your being smart asking for advice before just using slin - a very good idea.... it can be dangerous if not used properly and also if not used properly (dosage and carb intake amount and timing) can make you fat!

Thanks for the help guys I appreciate it. I will look more into morning and and during the day protocols. just so I have an idea what time do you guys train and sleep when using slin. I just would imagine that most people with a nine to five job would have the same problem Im having with training after work and going to sleep around 10 or so.

[PT]

Great, lets all push insulin on the "insulin newb" with a 3 hour pre bed window.

For gods sake this is the most irresponsible ****ed up advice for someone who needs a safe 1st experience to judge how their body reacts to slin.

Even with log 3 hours is a gambling risk!!! Some ppl need a longer time for slin to clear, EVEN, Humalog or eqivalent fast acting slin.

How are you going to determin if you are that person when you go to be 3 1/2 hours after your shot of log and don't wake up.

This is the most pathetic direction of a thread especially for a guy that is relying on help in not killing himself due to stupidity...


My advice:

Don't do any slin PWO unless you can move your workout out of the narrow prebed window. Use slin when you can be awake to notice its effects for no less than 5 hours EVEN with Humalog, all while your pockets are stuffed with glucose tabs or simple carb/candy equivelent.
Once you have a longer slin history under your belt and know the intricate ins and outs of how you are affected, you can then gamble on whether the chances are in your favor for going to bed 3 hours after your shot... Even then, I still wouldn't...

1st off you need to mind your manners if you expect to stay here. 2nd dont post until your sure your not going to make an ass out of yourself. who is pushing slin on anyone? he asked a question and we answered it. this isnt 1st grade my man. were all grown adults and dont need a babysitter. someone asks a question and we answer it and thats it. everyone gives there advice and then the thread starter decides what he wants to do since he is a grown man and able to make decisions on his own. this is a steroid board. we give advice and that is it. it up to the thread starter to be smart enough to gather all the info before jumping in. now next time you post here try to be a little more respectful.

[PT]

simple advice. if you can not stay awake for the 3 hours needed after injecting humalog then move on. its not for you. find something else. end of story

[Deep_Fried]

1st off you need to mind your manners if you expect to stay here. 2nd dont post until your sure your not going to make an ass out of yourself. who is pushing slin on anyone? he asked a question and we answered it. this isnt 1st grade my man. were all grown adults and dont need a babysitter. someone asks a question and we answer it and thats it. everyone gives there advice and then the thread starter decides what he wants to do since he is a grown man and able to make decisions on his own. this is a steroid board. we give advice and that is it. it up to the thread starter to be smart enough to gather all the info before jumping in. now next time you post here try to be a little more respectful.

Bro, This thread needed the attention at the cost of any manners IMO. I can get banned but still be alive tomorrow. Others that are not aware of the tone of your advice may assume there is no danger.
You are the one that heard the OP say he wanted to shoot PWO which would mean that bedtime would be around 3 hours after this.
YOUR short response to the op merely stated to go and buy some Humalog. That is ALL you said. nothing else about concerns or consequnces (until just now in your last post). With an honorable title like yours, your answer was less than what I would have expected as "responsible".
If you cannot understand this and my dramatic reaction, and wish to make this a personal issue, that is not my intent. My intent is to keep possibly impressionable NEWBS from doing the many stupid things they do especially with incomplete information passed on by people they would consider an authority. Look, it is not just about the information you give ppl on boards like this, BUT also the information you dont mention that can make the difference.

Additionally, your statement in red is not based in reality my friend. This approach can possibly just lead to many people misinterpreting subtle advice. When dealing with the topic of slin, dnp , or potentially deadly compounds the number one rule in my book is to treat everyone that you do not prersonally know as an idiot and explain EVERYTHING. Assuming someone should know better because you are "all adults" is assinine. How do you know what anyones mental capacity is or what unimaginable stupid crap they may or may not do?

I've seen people misinterpret better explained questions that were not involving anything as potentially life threatning as slin.
Ive seen people OD on slin given accurate advice but never explained with concern for safety. Ive seen people inject oral research chems after being explained how to use them, except no one thought it was necessary to mention that a "liquid" with an oral dropper meant it did not need to be injected and all sorts of crazy shit. These people are also supposedly adults right.
re-read the hilighted statement and apply that mentality to someone who is impressionable and wiling to do something more dangerous than something that is less dangerous, only because your answer did not seem like there was any reason for concern and that what is obvious to you did not need to be mentioned to "him".

You have a great title and I'm sure your knowledge is exceptional, no disrespect in this area.
Your approach and preconceptions about who people are and the capacity of their common sense deserves to be re-evaluated in my book. Thats all.

Sorry for the "Drama", but at least I know that I have said everything imaginable about what I think others are entitled to hear.

I appologize for my tone, but tone is about all that one has left to make an impression when it is important. If that is worthy of a banning so be it. If it helps someone make a better informed decision, then it was worth it.

[PT]

humalog has a shorter life then humilin-r. he wants to use slin but is afraid that he may not be able to stay awake the 4 hours humilin-r is active so i gave him good advice by reccomending a faster acting product. as for someones mental capacity, im sorry but im not the board shrink. i give advice, PERIOD. im not here to run a individual profile on each person. he wanted to use slin but was scared he wouldnt be able to stay up so i gave him the name of a faster acting slin. if you dont like my advice just type your own under mine but dont call me out here again

[PT]

ps. nobody would ever be banned from this board for disagreeing with me or any other staff member. we are all intitled to our opinions

[Flex-Appeal]

I have disagreed with PT a few times, all in good friendship. I'm not banned yet

[mx3]

In my defense Im not an idiot. to deep fried I appreciate your help and concern on this but I have been an active member on this site for a while now and I have extensive knowledge and exp. with aas so Im not just some newb who is going to go run out and starting pinning a bunch of slin because one person told me the the name of a product that would make the most sense for me to use if I could get the required 3 hours in between the slin and bed time. If I can't stay up for the required number of hours before sleep then I will have to figure out a different protocol of use. I may be new to slin use but im not some dumb newb that is misinterpreting simple responses. again thanks everyone for your responses. also what time do most of you train and use slin and get to bed just for my own peace of mind.

[PT]

i workout nights right now so i dont shoot my slin until around 8:30pm then i go to bed around 11. i make sure i have enough carbs. i have been doing this for years so i know exactly how my body will react to 10ius of insulin and i know what i need. after shooting my 10ius i have a shake with 45g of dex and 50g protein. about an hour later i will eat something on the line of 16ounces of chicken or fish along with 1cup of brown rice. before bed i will have another shake or another meal if i can manage it then im good to go

[mx3]

i workout nights right now so i dont shoot my slin until around 8:30pm then i go to bed around 11. i make sure i have enough carbs. i have been doing this for years so i know exactly how my body will react to 10ius of insulin and i know what i need. after shooting my 10ius i have a shake with 45g of dex and 50g protein. about an hour later i will eat something on the line of 16ounces of chicken or fish along with 1cup of brown rice. before bed i will have another shake or another meal if i can manage it then im good to go

good info, thanks for the response pt.

[Narkissos]

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-CNS