Someone please check this HGH cycle...

[hit_my_max]

Hey guys,

I'm not a newbie to training. I'm 39 years old, 6'4", 220 lbs of mostly muscle, have been training for 25 of those years, were a professional athlete, soldier, etc. blah blah - point is, I'm hard core, disciplined, and not afraid to train like a cray-ass.

Thing is, I'm new to AS and HGH. Given my age, I need some juice now (hence my username) - I'm sick and tired of going it "pure", shall we say? Plus, aging is a royal BITCH!!!

I've read this board - and let me say, this is a SICK GREAT board, btw - for the past week or so, plus a ton of other articles, and have learned a tremendous amount from you all distinguished veterans. I knew what I needed
going in, but now I need some help validating my conclusions.

Here's what I'm thinking of doing:

Cycle - 12 weeks:
5 IUs per day of somatropin 2x2.5 IUs (AM and PM)
100 mg Test Propionate EOD
1 ml of Melanotan II ED before bedtime (1 month on, 1 month off)
1 mg Arimidex ED
100 mcg Clen ED

PCT - 6 weeks:
40 mg Nolvadex ED (dropping to 20)
200 mgs Clomid (dropping to 100 and 50)

Questions are:

1. Do I need to add Deca or D-bol to this cycle? Is that really important here?

2. What is better for the cycle above? Arimidex, Nolvadex, or Aromasin during the cycle? I assumed the first one based on what I've read. Although Aromasin looked really good..

3. For PCT, should I use Nolvadex or Letrozole? Letrozole looks to be far stronger - should I use that in the cycle instead of Arimidex or Aromasin? I'm confused on these 4 AIs.

4. Should I add IGF-1 LR3 to my cycle? Some posts indicate this is completely useless - is that true?

5. Are there any dietary considerations here? I take protein twice a day, eat my dose of carbs, etc. - but I'm curious if there's SPECIFIC diets I should consider when on the juice, how much to eat, how many times a day, etc. Also related, can I drink alcohol and eat sweets once in a while while on the cycle above? I'm not big on those, but sometimes girls will make us to consume both, right?

I hope I can get some answers and pointers. Many thanks,

-Marco

[Silver-Bolt]

I will help with what I know but most of your gear is beyond my knowledge. Plan to work up to 5iu's of GH. It may take a few weeks to get there. Plan to run GH for 6 months or more. It is fine to continue GH after you end your AAS cycle.

Diet, the cleaner the better. Eat 5-6 times a day. The cleaner your diet the cleaner your gains will be. Gaining weight is easy gaining lean mass takes time and hard work. At least 1.5-2.0 grams of protein per pound of body weight. Watch your sugar intake. Low glycemic carbs as much as possible. On cycle it is extremely easy to get fat. Always keep that in mind when you fill your plate.

[Charger527]

Hey guys,

I'm not a newbie to training. I'm 39 years old, 6'4", 220 lbs of mostly muscle, have been training for 25 of those years, were a professional athlete, soldier, etc. blah blah - point is, I'm hard core, disciplined, and not afraid to train like a cray-ass.

Thing is, I'm new to AS and HGH. Given my age, I need some juice now (hence my username) - I'm sick and tired of going it "pure", shall we say? Plus, aging is a royal BITCH!!!

I've read this board - and let me say, this is a SICK GREAT board, btw - for the past week or so, plus a ton of other articles, and have learned a tremendous amount from you all distinguished veterans. I knew what I needed
going in, but now I need some help validating my conclusions.

Here's what I'm thinking of doing:

Cycle - 12 weeks:
5 IUs per day of somatropin 2x2.5 IUs (AM and PM) As said 12 weeks of hgh wont give you much try and run it for 6 months or more
100 mg Test Propionate EOD Is fine but id recomend 75mg ed
1 ml of Melanotan II ED before bedtime (1 month on, 1 month off)havent used it not sure about it
1 mg Arimidex ED this a high dose would start at .25mg eod if you need it
100 mcg Clen ED would start at 40mcg and work your way up to 100mcg, also i would have a few weeks of in the middle of your cycle because i dont think it is very healty to run clen for 12 weeks

PCT - 6 weeks: 6 weeks is a bit of overkill id plan for 4 and then run longer if needed
40 mg Nolvadex ED (dropping to 20) first two weeks at 40 last to at 20
200 mgs Clomid (dropping to 100 and 50)200mg is an insane dose imo, id do 1 week at 100mg then drop it to 50mg (clomid can mess your head up pretty bad even at 100mg)

Questions are:

1. Do I need to add Deca or D-bol to this cycle? Is that really important here?no need not with prop should kick in around 3 days in

2. What is better for the cycle above? Arimidex, Nolvadex, or Aromasin during the cycle? I assumed the first one based on what I've read. Although Aromasin looked really good.. i personaly like arimidex, but lots use aromasin

3. For PCT, should I use Nolvadex or Letrozole? Letrozole looks to be far stronger - should I use that in the cycle instead of Arimidex or Aromasin? I'm confused on these 4 AIs. letro is to strong and is really only used for precontest, nolvedex and clomid is your standard pct (nolvedex is a serm)

4. Should I add IGF-1 LR3 to my cycle? Some posts indicate this is completely useless - is that true? not sure about it

5. Are there any dietary considerations here? I take protein twice a day, eat my dose of carbs, etc. - but I'm curious if there's SPECIFIC diets I should consider when on the juice, how much to eat, how many times a day, etc. Also related, can I drink alcohol and eat sweets once in a while while on the cycle above? I'm not big on those, but sometimes girls will make us to consume both, right? first off, what is your goal for the cycle? Bulk?, Cut? im assuming cut due to the clen, have a read in the diet forum there is plenty of diets for both. With alcohol and sweets a little bit wont hurt you imo

I hope I can get some answers and pointers. Many thanks,

-Marco

First of welcome,
Comments in bold, maybe try get this moved to the ass forum and you will get more answers,

Charger

[hit_my_max]

Thanks, guys. This is SUPER helpful. I posted it here because my main goal is to get going on the GH and cutting while growing some. I'm not looking to get huge (I'm 220 lbs already anyhow), just a little bigger and very cut, like 6-pack cut.

What is a recommended maintenance dosage for GH after a 6 month cycle? Do I need to cycle off at all? Can I drop to, say, 2 IU per day and just keep going indefinitely? If I go off it, is it 6 months off than back on?

Last one for today - I know, I'm like a kid in a candy store now - what can I use during my cycle as an effective DHT blocker? I take 1 mg pill of finasteride daily for a long time (2 years or so) to prevent baldness, and it's really working for me, and I don't want to mess that up.

Again, HUGE thanks for the warm welcome and the quick replies - you guys rock. Best.

[Charger527]

Diet is the key to that, just eat right and train hard and you will get a sixpack in no time.

You can run HGH indefinatly, most run for six to nine months then have a break for a bit. Alot of people run doses of 2IU you have to see how it works for you.

Also the finaseride should be enough, with the prop cycle hair loss is not that common, you can use a nizoral shampoo to help aswell.

A point to add you might want to take a look in the HRT forum aswell might be a good option for you, then you wont have to bother with pct.

[hit_my_max]

Thanks, Charger.

I do want to get some hard, lean muscle mass also out of this, so that's why I added Test to the mix, and added the Clen to aid in burning fat faster.

Should I cycle the Clen 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off type thing?

Can you also suggest syringe gauge/size for the Test shots? I'm thinking of 29g 1 cc slin injs for the GH.

Also, is there a specific reason you suggested 75 mg ED instead of 100mg EOD for the Test Prop?

Anyone else care to comment on the IGF1-LR3 question? Should I look into some other kind of IGF?

Once I start, I plan on posting my progress once a week. I'll start a new thread on that. Best...

[Charger527]

Thanks, Charger.

I do want to get some hard, lean muscle mass also out of this, so that's why I added Test to the mix, and added the Clen to aid in burning fat faster.

Should I cycle the Clen 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off type thing? Check out this thread for things about clen.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=269240

Can you also suggest syringe gauge/size for the Test shots? I'm thinking of 29g 1 cc slin injs for the GH. yeah 29g 1cc is good for HGH, for prop i use 23g 1 1/4 inch for quads and glutes 1 inch but not all way in for delts, bis, tris, peks and calfs

Also, is there a specific reason you suggested 75 mg ED instead of 100mg EOD for the Test Prop?Prop is better shot ed then eod and also at 75mg you end up with 525mg a week which is a good amount for a first cycle imo.

Anyone else care to comment on the IGF1-LR3 question? Should I look into some other kind of IGF? I have been researching IGF-1 for awhile and have posted a discusion on it with some studies, and i will be using IGF-1 LR3 soon unless someone can talk me out of it.. lol

Once I start, I plan on posting my progress once a week. I'll start a new thread on that. Best...

Answers in bold, just remember to rotate injection sites regulary try to give each area a week off, its hard with prop which is ed injections espcially bis, tris, peks, calfs. Maybe practice before you start with B12 or get your wife or gf to help you.

Ohh one more thing have you considered adding some t4 to your hgh, have a read of this as well mate.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=253351

Good luck with it mate,

[hit_my_max]

Awesome, thanks.

Another dumb question: do I HAVE To shoot delts or if I find 7 sites, and rotate those 7 sites then it's all good? IOW is the IM nature also localized? Or the results will be spread evenly no matter where I shoot.

I'm trying to understand if I have to actually shoot all my muscle groups that I'm working or just rotate sites every 7 days. Thanks and again, my apologies for the really basic questions.

PS: huge thanks for the pointer on the T4.

[Gear]

Hey guys,

I'm not a newbie to training. I'm 39 years old, 6'4", 220 lbs of mostly muscle, have been training for 25 of those years, were a professional athlete, soldier, etc. blah blah - point is, I'm hard core, disciplined, and not afraid to train like a cray-ass.

Thing is, I'm new to AS and HGH. Given my age, I need some juice now (hence my username) - I'm sick and tired of going it "pure", shall we say? Plus, aging is a royal BITCH!!!

I've read this board - and let me say, this is a SICK GREAT board, btw - for the past week or so, plus a ton of other articles, and have learned a tremendous amount from you all distinguished veterans. I knew what I needed
going in, but now I need some help validating my conclusions.

Here's what I'm thinking of doing:

Cycle - 12 weeks:
5 IUs per day of somatropin 2x2.5 IUs (AM and PM)
100 mg Test Propionate EOD
1 ml of Melanotan II ED before bedtime (1 month on, 1 month off)
1 mg Arimidex ED
100 mcg Clen ED

PCT - 6 weeks:
40 mg Nolvadex ED (dropping to 20)
200 mgs Clomid (dropping to 100 and 50)

Questions are:

1. Do I need to add Deca or D-bol to this cycle? Is that really important here?

2. What is better for the cycle above? Arimidex, Nolvadex, or Aromasin during the cycle? I assumed the first one based on what I've read. Although Aromasin looked really good..

3. For PCT, should I use Nolvadex or Letrozole? Letrozole looks to be far stronger - should I use that in the cycle instead of Arimidex or Aromasin? I'm confused on these 4 AIs.

4. Should I add IGF-1 LR3 to my cycle? Some posts indicate this is completely useless - is that true?

5. Are there any dietary considerations here? I take protein twice a day, eat my dose of carbs, etc. - but I'm curious if there's SPECIFIC diets I should consider when on the juice, how much to eat, how many times a day, etc. Also related, can I drink alcohol and eat sweets once in a while while on the cycle above? I'm not big on those, but sometimes girls will make us to consume both, right?

I hope I can get some answers and pointers. Many thanks,

-Marco

I haven't read the replies in this thread so I hope I am not repeating someone else's answers.

First of all, 12 weeks of HGH won't get you far, perhaps some minor fat loss benefits but not much more than that. I would use it for no less than 6 months.

Second, to take full advantage of HGH and AAS I would run your HGH alone for the first 8 - 12 weeks then introduce AAS when your IGF levels are eleveated. You can certainly start HGH and AAS at the same time but my suggestion on using HGH and AAS is the most effective way of using HGH and AAS. I guess you can't follow my advice in regards to this considering you are only using HGH for 12 weeks but I though I'd throw that in anyway for the next time you use HGH and AAS.

What AAS you use depends on what you want to achieve. Dboll will deliver great strength gains but you will gain water retention also. In other words, if you are bulking then dbol is a great idea, if you are cutting then I would not use dbol. Deca is also mostly used when bulking, I have never really come across anyone who uses deca when they are cutting but each to their own.

IGF is not useless but I personally do not like it, once again each to their own. If you are going to use IGF you could use it 4 weeks ON/OFF, and you can either start it straight away throughout cycle or introduce it mid cycle and run it for as long as you want. Try and run IGF through PCT though as it can assist with the PCT process.

As for your diet, once again this depends on what you want to achieve. If you are cutting then you won't be consuming as many fats and carbohydrates as you would if you were bulking. Alcohol and chocolate? A bit of everything is ok in moderation unless you are preparing for a contest. For further information on eating, visit out diet forum.

And yes females certainly make us do things we don't want to... that's just that!

Good luck!

-Gear

[hit_my_max]

Thanks, Gear.

I'll definitely run the HGH for 6 months - I should've noted that on my original post.

I think your advice to introduce the AAS later is a great one, as I've read other people saying in other posts.

I think I'll also add the T4, so start with HGH, T4, Clen and Melnotan II, plus adding the IGF PWO only instead of ED.

Then run like that for 8-10 weeks (4 on/off for the Melanotan) then add the Test Prop.

I'm not looking to bulk-up a lot no, more like cutting but not loosing what I have, and actually gaining some more muscle mass, but not a whole lot.

Again, thanks for the great advice.

[Charger527]

Awesome, thanks.

Another dumb question: do I HAVE To shoot delts or if I find 7 sites, and rotate those 7 sites then it's all good? IOW is the IM nature also localized? Or the results will be spread evenly no matter where I shoot.

I'm trying to understand if I have to actually shoot all my muscle groups that I'm working or just rotate sites every 7 days. Thanks and again, my apologies for the really basic questions.

PS: huge thanks for the pointer on the T4.

Yeah there is no localized growth from shooting specific muscles with prop. Does not really matter which muscles you shot you just rotate to avoid scar tissue eg mon quad, tue calf, wed bi, thur tri, fri glute, sat pek, sun lat. then next week do the oposite muscles so your other leg and arm.

There is a few sites which have pictures and explantions on how to shoot each muscle, look it up on google if you need to.

No problems mate, have a good one.

[hit_my_max]

Awesome, thanks again Charger. I'll rotate that way when I introduce Test prop to my cycle, which now will be 10 weeks in.

[Charger527]

No problems mate good luck with it.

[Gear]

Run T4 @ 50mcg p/day, that should do the trick.

Good luck.

-Gear

[hit_my_max]

Thanks, Gear.

I need your help (or someone else's) to check on the sources I'm looking at. I can't contact you in any way - can you (or someone else) e-mail me so I can respond with my questions offline? Many thanks...

[hit_my_max]

I'm asking again - can someone please email me so I can respond with the sources I'm looking at and have them comment on?

I'm about to part with a good chunk of change, and I don't want to see it go into some Western Union black hole, OK?

I don't know anyone that can help me with this, so it has to be one of you distinguished veterans...

Please help - this is the most critical step, without the gear, there ain't no cycle...

Thanks!!!

[Charger527]

once you get 25 posts up you can PM members, also i would advise you not to rush into it until your 99% sure there legit.

Good luck with it mate