insulin.. 10 iu's vs 40 iu's

**Ironman5151** · 06-07-2009, 08:10 PM

How can 40 iu's of insulin be better tha 10 iu's of insulin.....

just curious....if a person takes 10 iu to spike insulin why take 40?

**powerliftmike** · 06-07-2009, 08:38 PM

How can 1000mg of test be better than 250mg? More hormone=more effects. Same with slin. Im not saying more is better b/c after a point sife effects take off quicker than positives. (same with slin)

**Ironman5151** · 06-08-2009, 04:16 AM

K, got cha....understand a little better now...I just knew that insulin is used to spike levels so the body can consume large amounts of food...I just thought it would be wise to spike your insulin with the least amount but I have some friends doing 40-50 iu's and I was thinking 10 would do the same job so why take so much...

thanks for input

**hrdgainer** · 06-08-2009, 06:12 PM

I will have to respectfully disagree with the AR-vet. But with a scientific reasoning. The body can use more test and will def increase your nitrogen retention, blah, blah, blah, but the body does have a limit as to the amount of insulin it can use at anyone time. This is all based upon your physical stature and your ability to utilize carbs and how much you take in and how intense your training is. All of these things come into play when using slin and should always be factored when running it. Also the type of carbs you take in will also effect the efficacy of slin. if you take for example maltodextrin vs. fructose, a lot of people will say that fructose is okay. Those people should be shot in the chest with a bazooka. imho. Frucotose will leave you high and dry and you will be waking up to me standing over you, or loading you into my ambulance with an iv and an amp of d50 I just pushed to wake up your a$$. dextrose and maltodextrin is the only, only, only did I say only yet? way to go with slin. also the more you use is not necessarily better, but will just get you fat and leave you more susceptible to hypoglycemia and having pancreatic problems, or kidney problems in the future. I cannot remember the name of that one body builder that dropped dead on stage about 12-14 years ago, but aside from heart failure, he also had kidney failure because of excessive slin use. more is not better with slin, its actually the opposite. Start with 5ius, see how you feel then ramp up to a max of 20-30. thats it and that is again my opinion other than the proof that running too much will cause too much stress on your kidneys with the constant fluctuation in sugar levels, just like a diabetic.

**hrdgainer** · 06-08-2009, 06:14 PM

and i didnt notice that you did say long term effects do have effects in the long run. i digress.....respectfully...

**Ironman5151** · 06-09-2009, 05:16 AM

thanks again for input...

**Narkissos** · 06-10-2009, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by hrdgainer

I will have to respectfully disagree with the AR-vet. But with a scientific reasoning. The body can use more test and will def increase your nitrogen retention, blah, blah, blah, but the body does have a limit as to the amount of insulin it can use at anyone time. This is all based upon your physical stature and your ability to utilize carbs and how much you take in and how intense your training is. All of these things come into play when using slin and should always be factored when running it. Also the type of carbs you take in will also effect the efficacy of slin. if you take for example maltodextrin vs. fructose, a lot of people will say that fructose is okay. Those people should be shot in the chest with a bazooka. imho. Frucotose will leave you high and dry and you will be waking up to me standing over you, or loading you into my ambulance with an iv and an amp of d50 I just pushed to wake up your a$$. dextrose and maltodextrin is the only, only, only did I say only yet? way to go with slin. also the more you use is not necessarily better, but will just get you fat and leave you more susceptible to hypoglycemia and having pancreatic problems, or kidney problems in the future. I cannot remember the name of that one body builder that dropped dead on stage about 12-14 years ago, but aside from heart failure, he also had kidney failure because of excessive slin use. more is not better with slin, its actually the opposite. Start with 5ius, see how you feel then ramp up to a max of 20-30. thats it and that is again my opinion other than the proof that running too much will cause too much stress on your kidneys with the constant fluctuation in sugar levels, just like a diabetic.

Respectfully, I have to say that this is a blatant over-generalization.

...much, like the "more hormone = more effects" is a blatant oversimplification.

-CNS

**Narkissos** · 06-10-2009, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by Ironman5151

How can 40 iu's of insulin be better tha 10 iu's of insulin.....

It depends on the context of its application, the type of insulin utilized, and the protocol being followed.

'Better' is relative.

e.g. While it is the norm among recreational bodybuilders to utilize 8-20 IUs of humulin-R, humalog, novalog, Actrapid pwo... it is normal for competitive bodybuilders and strongmen to utilize 40-70 IUs of levemir, humulin-R, or lantus first thing in the a.m.

^^re: context; type; protocol

The 'benefits' depend on the rationale v.s. the feasibility of the protocol.

w/ reference to 40 IUs of fast-acting insulin v.s. 10IUs of the same, there are no benefits which would make an increase of this volume feasible.

For one, insulin degrading enzymes (IDE) will rise rapidly in response to supramaximal spikes in insulin...as is characteristic of high doses of fast-acting insulin.

IDEs also degrade IGF... So it's counterintuitive for our purposes to administer a dose that high.

I've run fast-acting insulin at 20 IUs pwo...and I derived no greater effect than I did @12 IUs pwo.

In fact, I'd say that it was less effective at this dosage.

For many compounds, more does not translate into better... and again, 'better' is relative.

-CNS