BA and IGF

[higherdesire]

So I reconstitued IGF this AM with BA and it was clumpy and cloudy. I could not get it to break down and clear up. I have never had a problem with reconstituing properly. I think maybe it was because the BA was refrigerated. Any thoughts?

[higherdesire]

By the way, I reconstituted my Jins at the same time with BW that was not cold and it went smooth as pie. I am injecting the amount of air into the vial that I will put in solution prior to injecting the solution into the vial in both cases. Correct?

[RedBaron]

For your HGH, BW is the smartest way to go and you should have zero issues ever with it. Sounds like your drawing technique is correct.

Back in the early experimental days of IGF, we tried all manner of reconstituting it. Some of the early brands actually mixed just fine with BA, and we theorized that it had good suspension properties, so in theory should protect and preserve it well. The problem is that several brands of IGF these days REFUSE to reconstitute with BA and quickly turn into the messy sludge that you experienced. Depending on the brand and the manufacturers recommendations, I would use either Acetic Acid or BW. Each manufacturer should be suggesting one of these to end up with a solution of the right PH to let the peptide thrive. For the most part in the past I used AA, but that was before they engineered a little better lyophilized powders with some different properties.

All things being the same today, I would still use AA unless the manufacturer stated their product was engineered for sterile water or BW. Best of luck to you ... sorry you turned an amount of your IGF into unusable sludge ... I have done the same from time to time in experiments in the past.

[SPIKE]

For the most part in the past I used AA, but that was before they engineered a little better lyophilized powders with some different properties.

That's definitely the thing RB. All we used to see was AA and then a lot of suppliers were selling it with BA. BA, AA, it all worked pretty much the same for me. Do have to admit some of the better LR3 I've used was dissolved in BA.

HD, did the LR3 turn to sludge? What does it look like now? What did the supplier you got it from recommed using?

[higherdesire]

First of all thanks for the experienced responses Red and Jay.

The IGF seem to be fine when I mixed with just BW initially but I was told that it was no good pretty much right after it was mixed ( see thread last week). So I ordere the BA. When I put the BA in it truned cloudy and had clumps floating, and a large clump on tht bottom. 1ml did not appear to be enough, so I added another ml for total of two. I rolled it between my hands for several minutes trying to get it to break down. I finaly resulted to turning it upside down a few times. Nothing different. I flicked the bottom to get the glob off the bottom. Finally got it loose. It never broke down so I stuck it in the fridge like that and will check it in the AM (Ikeep my gear off site these days) I cannot say that the igf turned to sludge though. It was more clumpy. Almost rocked up so to speak.

As for the brand, I amnot sure as it is in generic bottles, but it came from the same chemical company I ordered my Jins from and they were gen sci. They recommended mixing with medical grade diluent water. I asked them if BW was ok and they said yes. I should have stuck with that. The result is that I have thrown away 3mgs of igf mixed in BW now, and ruined another with BA.

I was seeing some sides form the mixture in the BW but was told it was useless, and instead of following my own head on it I bought in. I am NOT pointing fingers or blaming anyone, so please don't misunderstand. I am only posting this part because it is really important for others to know that all the knowledge and experience in the world cannot prevent every mishap. Study and be aware, but mistakes will still happen.

In the morning I will resonstitute 1mg of IGF with 2ml of BW and I will go to 100mcg ed until finshed and report back. I am going to continue the jins at 2 iu ed for the next two weeks and bump it by one every week afterwards until I reach 5iu ed for the next 6 months.

In Mid august I will start a test e 500 mg ew, tren a 100mg ed, and an anapolan kicker at 50mg ed for three weeks.

I wil lkeep you guys posted. Thanks again for all the input.

I remain,

HD

[RedBaron]

If it really is GenSci IGTropin, then you will have to use either water or AA. That is one of the ones that I also ruined with BA. They said sterile dilutent ... and dog-gone if they didn't mean it. What is best to use really depends on who and how it is made. The questions come in when you get people that don't really know what they are doing are trying to make products that they don't really understand. Outside of that, any reputable manufacturer should be able to tell you what to use with their product.

[higherdesire]

Yeah they said the med grade diluent and when I countered with would BW work ok they said yes, so I am going to stick with it.

[RedBaron]

That's definitely the thing RB. All we used to see was AA and then a lot of suppliers were selling it with BA. BA, AA, it all worked pretty much the same for me. Do have to admit some of the better LR3 I've used was dissolved in BA.

HD, did the LR3 turn to sludge? What does it look like now? What did the supplier you got it from recommed using?

Yep, all of the earliest offerings that I remember were all using BA or BA with a bit of acid to correct the PH. They all worked really great. Then AA became more dominant, and things still worked really well. From there it seemed that some of the less reputable offerings started hitting the streets and results started really getting mixed, as did the recommendations on what to use. Some of the reputable sources also changed things up and thus recommended certain reconstitution agents ... some of them sound, some questionable. It has become just about anyones guess.

[higherdesire]

BTW Red, should I use T4 during this time?

[RedBaron]

BTW Red, should I use T4 during this time?

I wouldn't say that it would be an absolute necessity, but if you are looking for a bit of a metabolic boost and a bit of extra leaning, then it wouldn't hurt either. I have ran it both ways. When I run T3 or T4, I am usually trying to accelerate the leaning for a specific goal. I have had great results without it as well though.

[higherdesire]

Any suggestions as to how much? I happen to have some on hand. I have clen , t4 and brocomptimine left over from a previous cycle.

[RedBaron]

Just as a general practice, I will run T3 at between 12.5mcg - 25mcg. I run T4 at between 50mcg - 100mcg. There are of course exceptions and specific reasons to run it outside those ranges, but just in general terms, somewhere in that zone should work nicely for you. Best of luck with your cycle.