My friends wife has MS and I've read that HGH can help put it into remission. But I'm unable to find any solid evidence anywhere that can prove or disprove this theory. Can anyone help me on this?
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My friends wife has MS and I've read that HGH can help put it into remission. But I'm unable to find any solid evidence anywhere that can prove or disprove this theory. Can anyone help me on this?
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no one...
Misery13... the most likely reason you've not received a response is that this is an area that few people have direct experience.
I haven't read anything about the effect of HGH on a person with MS.
However, considering my previous experience with HGH and what I've seen of the effect of MS on a friend that I know... I'd think that a small dose of 1 - 2 units per day would be worth a try. If it were me with MS, I'd likely do 2 - 4 units, but I am an over 50 y/o male.
FYI - I am a bit of a risk taker... work in hazardous industries and recognize that quality of life as important as quantity.
I hope life goes well for your friend, she is fortunate that she has people around her that care... that means a lot, too.
thank you very much...
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Originally Posted by JimInAK
Actually, thank you!
and thanks for helping and supporting friend's wife.
Compassion is what makes humans worth the expenditure of oxygen it takes to keep them going. Otherwise... can you image how fvcked up this planet would be ?!?
There are currently a couple patents for the use of growth hormone plus the drug interferon (IFN-beta) for the treatment of multiple sclerosis.
Let me see if I can dig up any dosing protocols.
Beforehand, I've got to say that I'm not advising that you put any of these into practice.
re: GH... I think 2 IUs ED should be sufficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Narkissos
Other drugs you may want to look into are naltrexone and t3. Dosages of 3-5mg/day naltrexone have been shown to be effective (in a number of individuals) in halting progression.
re: t3... Have her thyroid output checked. If suboptimal, have her put on a replacement dose.
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Originally Posted by Narkissos
Low dose naltrexone therapy in multiple sclerosis.
Agrawal YP.
Department of Pathology, The University of Iowa Roy J. and Lucille A. Carver College of Medicine, Room 153 B MRC, 200 Hawkins Drive, Iowa City, IA 52242-1182, USA. [email protected]
The use of low doses of naltrexone for the treatment of multiple sclerosis (MS) enjoys a worldwide following amongst MS patients. There is overwhelming anecdotal evidence, that in low doses naltrexone not only prevents relapses in MS but also reduces the progression of the disease. It is proposed that naltrexone acts by reducing apoptosis of oligodendrocytes.
It does this by reducing inducible nitric oxide synthase activity. This results in a decrease in the formation of peroxynitrites, which in turn prevent the inhibition of the glutamate transporters. Thus, the excitatory neurotoxicity of glutamate on neuronal cells and oligodendrocytes via activation of the alpha-amino-3-hydroxy-5-methyl-isoxazole-4-propionic acid class of glutamate receptor is prevented. It is crucial that the medical community respond to patient needs and investigate this drug in a clinical trial.
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re: role of exogenous GH application:
Growth hormone and insulin growth factor-I levels in plasma and cerebrospinal fluid of patients with multiple sclerosis.
Poljakovic Z, Zurak N, Brinar V, Korsic M, Basic S, Hajnsek S.
Department of Neurology, Faculty of Medicine, University of Zagreb, REBRO, Hospital Centre, Kispaticeva 12, 10000 Zagreb, Croatia. [email protected]
Multiple sclerosis (MS) has several clinically different forms. Whereas the illness progresses slowly in most of the patients, 10% have an aggressively progressive course with fatal outcome without signs of remyelination capability. The process of remyelination depends on numerous interactive factors, including the presence of various growth factors, the most important of which in the adult is insulin growth factor-I (IGF-I).
On the other hand, the most powerful postnatal regulator of IGF-I is growth hormone (GH), which also acts as a neuroprotective and an antiapoptotic agent, and has direct influence on myelination. Levels of these growth factors have never been examined in the cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) of patients with MS.
The levels of IGF-I and GH were measured in serum and CSF of 46 MS patients and compared with those of 49 patients with no evidence of demyelinating disease. The only positive finding was a deficiency of GH in the CSF of MS patients. The possible implications of those findings in the etiopathogenesis of MS will be discussed.
Some reading: http://www.holtorfmed.com/topics/mul...iple-sclerosis
wow...narkissos...thank you very much that's the kind of info I was looking for...again thank you...
This is what I love about this site. People here genuinely care about one another. This is pretty rare in the dog eat dog world we live in nowadays.
Never a problem buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Misery13
I wish you two the best.
Is she currently seeing a specialist? MS is not a disease that should be self medicated in any form. Keep in mind these medications are only to modify the disease progression and the peer reviewed studies are still years away from being hard evidence of treatment consistency.
Doc M
yes she does I'm just trying to help...Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc M
I've seen for myself uncontrollable tremors than an MS patient had, significantly reduced with the application of the medical use of marijuana. This was not "approved" by the Doctor, even though he was aware of both the use and the benefit derived by the patient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc M
The Doctor is not God and many times has other priorities which conflict with the best interests of the patient. I would rather become informed and take responsibility for my health, than blindly obey any Doctor's orders. How many people in America die in agony because they are undermedicated, due to the Doctor's orders? How many Doctors claim that steroids cause "rage" and how many other overblown myths are promoted by some Doctors? When two Doctors disagree, are they both right?
Blind faith in any expert is foolish and I for one know better.
So, let me make sure I understand you. You condone and encourage people to educate themselves and then take active medical treatment based on their own personal interpretations?Quote:
Originally Posted by JimInAK
I'll give you, no Doctor is God, however, the mentality to encourage people to self diagnose and treat is foolish at best. And these people are using what as a form of education, the internet, books from the library, health magazines?
There is no doubt that a percentage of Doctor's let their own personal beliefs and convictions interfere with the appropriate course of treatment, but to tell someone they should take responsibility for their own health and to treat themselves based on what they read or hear through the grapevine is madness.
Would you tell someone who has a broken vehicle to go get a book and surf the internet and then fix the vehicle themselves? You have to have faith the the Doctor/mechanic is going to make the best decision to get your machine/body back up to par based on their training and experience and the training and experience of the medical community as a whole. Yes, if you have a Doctor that makes a wacky diagnosis and treatment then question it by all means, see another Doctor, seek out a specialist, but don't take it on yourself to make the correct diagnosis and decide the best course of treatment.
If you believe that's the best way to handle things, then I won't try and convince you otherwise. Good luck
Doc M
The entire town of Los Algodones (7 miles south of Yuma) was CREATED because of the failure of the medical community in the United States. Thousands of people receive excellent medical care there EVERY DAY, primarily because they cannot afford treatment for an AMA sanctioned American doctor. Thousands more go to places like Thailand. The term "medical tourist" exists because of the failure of the American medical system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc M
A forecast by Deloitte Consulting published in August 2008 projected that medical tourism originating in the US could jump by a factor of ten over the next decade. An estimated 750,000 Americans went abroad for health care in 2007, and the report estimated that a million and a half would seek health care outside the US in 2008. The growth in medical tourism has the potential to cost US health care providers billions of dollars in lost revenue.
People take this route simply because the system has failed to work for them.
Many people can't afford to "see another Doctor, seek out a specialist" and there are appropriate treatments that few if any American doctors will perform or prescribe.
I take HGH, it's self-prescribed and for a Doctor to "help" me, they would demand many thousands of dollars more than I spend EVERY year. Your statement that, "the mentality to encourage people to self diagnose and treat is foolish at best" disregards the FACT that in many cases, if not most, the Doctor's care comes at a steep price and in many cases, serves the primary purpose of enriching the provider, with little or no benefit or justification for the service.
I may be a fool, but I do receive the best care I can provide myself and my alternative is to sacrifice too much, for too little in return. Thousands of other people who can afford excellent care outside of the United States receive it. However, others fill emergency rooms, when they should have had care that would have prevented the emergency in the first place.
Your admonishment doesn't hold water for me, nor does it for the millions of Americans for whom the system simply does not work. Denial of that problem may work for those in the medical community, but for those who are suffering, waiting for your qualified, certified, educated and AMA approved expert... many times it just doesn't work.
PS - I don't drive a Mercedes, I drive a Dodge... so I can and do work on it myself. I don't deny any Doctor's right to practice medicine, but I for one DEMAND other alternatives to the current monopolist, authoritarian system now in place.
Remember your attitude and outlook when you or a close loved one has a condition that can't be diagnosed and treated via your system. Believe me, I have heard it all from guys like you that have a sour taste from some bad experience with a healthcare provider. It all sounds good in theory until a real medical issue arises and you can't fix it with your ideology of how things should work.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimInAK
I will definitely admit that our system is broken in many ways, but I have to be honest and tell you that I don't buy into your belief that people should take it upon themselves to diagnose and treat based on what they learn from other sources. Regardless if you I agree with you or not, I hope you way of thinking works out for you and your family.
Doc M
Looking at the research, wouldn't IGF-LR3 shots be more beneficial? My fiancé also has MS, just found this thread.
Hello, I have MS. I'm a 33yr old male. I have been trying everything I can get a hold of to try to combat the symptoms of my MS. So I have just ordered my first series of hgh and since nobody has been able to say with first hand knowledge their experience, I plan to report back here as to my results. I'm looking for the cognitive improvement, energy (stupid fatigue), and muscle strength. I'm planning 2iu a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Misery13
Wish me luck.
ExperimentMS
Good luck!Quote:
Originally Posted by ExperimentMS
JimInAk, where you been buddy? Haven't seen you on the board for a while. I think both Jim and Doc has very valid points. My thought is that science is based on empirical data. If I hit a glass marble with a roll of toilet paper 1,000 times and nothing happens, then one would conclude that hitting a marble with toilet paper will not harm the marble. A doctor sits in his office and sees 40 patients a day. When 20 people come in with sore throat and runny nose, it is a high likelihood that it's the flu season and they are all suffering from the same ailment. All science base their conclusions on data. If MS patients smoke marijuana and the shaking is reduced in 80% of the patients, then it could be concluded that smoking marijuana by MS patients will reduce the tremors. Scientists start with a better hypothesis based on their technical knowledge but the administration of the test is very similar to DIY patients. The critical point is that there is strict control of the variables within the test. For example, if someone drinks vodka while smoking M, the test could be invalid as there are two variables in the test. If all variables are kept constant, including when food is taken, and the only variable is the smoking of M, I would think the results would be valid and could be correlated. With the availability of Google and the internet, we can do a ton of research as a collective group. Unfortunately, we don't have access to medications since the AMA has very powerful lobbyist that help put laws on the books to control everything medical. I believe that we can, through intelligent research, and through groups such as this board, gather enough information to treat many ailments without going to the doctor. My .02