HGH doses

**Wally24** · 09-20-2009, 07:20 AM

I am 25yrs old
6'2"
230lbs
approx 16-18% bf

I have generic blue-tops.

2iu weeks 1-2
3iu week 3
4iu weeks 4-6
5iu there after for at least 6 months

will this be a high enough dose to see any effects at my age, or do I need to go higher???

I am interested in fat loss and I would like it to augment my steroid stack that I will be starting at week 8

Test prop 150mg EOD weeks 8-20
Anavar 40mg twice a day weeks 8-16

Novladex on hand
HCG starting 4 days after last test shot 5000iu followed by 3000iu every 3rd day for two weeks.

Is there anything I have overlooked?? I would love some feedback.

**johnq** · 09-20-2009, 08:59 AM

yeah your hgh doses looks good to me, you should see some good results good luck

**icepick27** · 09-20-2009, 10:29 AM

Looks good and that is the right way to do it .

but i started at 5ius and never looked back now i have been doing 5 ius every day for about 5 months and i plan on bumping it up to 6 ius maybe to 8 ius by next summer i want to see where iam at before i make my decision

**ScotchGuard** · 09-21-2009, 02:21 AM

HGH is sure an expensive way to lose weight. I normally would tell anyone under 30 their natural GH level is high enough they really don't need extra HGH. It would be better to watch your diet and do cardio for fat loss. 8 weeks is plenty of time to drop a few % bf before you cycle Test with diet and cardio. If you're really determined to do HGH, everything looks good. I am conservative with HGH and I ramp 1iu every 10 days. Good luck.

**Wally24** · 09-21-2009, 06:41 PM

Fat loss is not the absolute main reason for wanting to try HGH. I think it will benefit my stack mentioned above.

**ScotchGuard** · 09-24-2009, 04:06 PM

I was on HGH/IGF for 4 months before I started my Sustanon 250 cycle. It worked out great. I think you're going to see great results. Good luck.

**redz** · 09-24-2009, 04:09 PM

HCG starting 4 days after last test shot 5000iu followed by 3000iu every 3rd day for two weeks.

This HCG protocol is crazy, studies have shown 250-500ius twice per week is the most you should ever take. Anything beyond that can be supressive.

**Wally24** · 09-24-2009, 09:57 PM

Thanks for the input. Isn't the initial Hcg shot a higher amount, then a lower amount for the remainder of the PCT???

**ScotchGuard** · 09-25-2009, 05:36 PM

I go 250iu HCG twice a week during cycle. 250iu/ed for the last two weeks of cycle. Rest for 18 days (sustanon cycle) and PCT. I don't use HCG during PCT.

**bene7422** · 09-26-2009, 02:47 AM

Yes u want to run the hcg on cycle not in pct,250iu's every 3rd day is fine but if u wait till the end to incorporate it than yes,u will need an initial high dose to start but after that you should still never use over 500ius at a time

**spooledup** · 09-26-2009, 09:27 AM

I run HCG for PCT and it works great. I run it while the esters are clearing and then run a SERM for a couple weeks after I discontinue the HCG to take care of any estrogen problems. I recover very quickly.

I think it's a waste to run it during cycle...but thats me.

BG · 09-26-2009, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by spooledup

I think it's a waste to run it during cycle...but thats me.

That doesnt make sense, its during cycle when you become shut down and thats what your trying to avoid. Avoid being shut down and pct is alot easier and you lose less of your gains.

**spooledup** · 09-26-2009, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by BG

That doesnt make sense, its during cycle when you become shut down and thats what your trying to avoid. Avoid being shut down and pct is alot easier and you lose less of your gains.

The idea behind HCG is to mimic LH. LH stimulates the leydig cells to produce testosterone .

What doesn't make sense to me is why someone would want to stimulate their body to produce testosterone when they have estrogen fighting to keep their natural LH levels supressed. You want your natural LH levels to come up to reasonable levels so they can takeover and stimulate natural test production, and they won't while you're on cycle.

Secondly, HCG will also increase your estrogen levels. So if you use it on cycle you have even more estrogen to deal with and your LH is even further supressed. Your natural LH only starts to come up when the esters start to clear.

Also, if you use it during your entire cycle you will become desensitized to it. Stay on it for too long and it will lose it's effectiveness.

At last shot:
500iu x 4 /wk week 1
500iu x 2 /wk week 2-4

Two weeks after last shot:
20mg nolva ED for 4 weeks

So the SERM is ran for two weeks longer than the HCG to block any residual estrogen from the HCG. Works great for me. I just finished this protocol about two weeks ago and I feel great.

If you're doing a heavy cycle over a very long period then HCG may do some good to turn your nuts back on so they don't get used to being off for too long.

**Wally24** · 09-26-2009, 04:49 PM

Thanks Spooledup. I am not by any means experienced enough to know which is better protocol for HCG . I think I will follow the way you listed. BG suggested that you keep more gains when HCG is incorporated into the cycle; what are your thoughts on this????

**seanL** · 09-27-2009, 12:21 PM

at what dose of HGH can it increase my hight?

**lift2win** · 09-27-2009, 02:03 PM

BG is right hcg is meant to keep ur body from shutting down. run it at 250ius twice a week during ur cycle, thats the best way

**peteroy01** · 09-27-2009, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by seanL

at what dose of HGH can it increase my hight?

1000iu everyday. na it wont unless your at the beginning of puberty.

**ScotchGuard** · 09-28-2009, 04:55 AM

LOL, good answer peteroy01. HGH won't increase your height or increase the size of your package for anyone, almost anyone, old enough to know about HGH/AAS and can get a hold of it. Can you imagine all the pro BB's on stage 8' tall?

**spooledup** · 09-28-2009, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by lift2win

BG is right hcg is meant to keep ur body from shutting down. run it at 250ius twice a week during ur cycle, thats the best way

If you would have actually read my post, using HCG on cycle does not keep you from getting shut down, it does the opposite. It keeps your natural LH suppressed by adding additional estrogen negative feedback.

I just finished my PCT a couple of weeks ago and I'm waking up with boners. Your way does not work as good for me.

**1bigun11** · 10-06-2009, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by lift2win

BG is right hcg is meant to keep ur body from shutting down. run it at 250ius twice a week during ur cycle, thats the best way

Thats how i do it. The way to tell if its going to work for you (if you run long cycles) is that it keeps your balls from shrinking. Whenever the boys start going down i give them 250 ius. They get it twice a week. I am happy and the boys are happy. so what the hell.

This is one of those areas Wally where you are going to get 100 different answers. Try it both ways and see which works best for you. thats what I did, and the 250 ius twice a week works best for me.