Blue Top question

**sizzlechest** · 11-17-2009, 11:37 PM

I recently got some blue tops and before I had only used the jins. With the jins once you mixed in the water it took some time for the contents to disolve. With the blues the powder disolves instantly, furthermore some of them dont have the vaccum (1 out of 7-10) Is this stuff fake?

**ScotchGuard** · 11-18-2009, 12:59 PM

Sometimes HCG is sold as HGH. Take about 2iu to 3iu and saturate a pregnancy test strip. If it goes positive it's HCG. If it doesn't go positive, then you know it's not HCG. You can test of IGF before/after a few weeks on the HGH. If the stuff is real your IGF levels will rise. I normally use 5iu/ed. I just pin 8iu in one day and see if I get sides the following day. Not too scientific but I've been using HGH for a while so I sorta know what I'm looking for.

**Fixr** · 11-18-2009, 07:30 PM

I had a batch of generic blue tops last year that seemed like they were either fakes or way underdosed and that whole batch had no vacuum in the vials. I know that doesnt confirm anything for you, but its not a good sign. The Jins I had before always had a vacuum strong enough to pull the bac water into the vial with no pressure on the plunger.

**sizzlechest** · 11-19-2009, 12:50 AM

Well, the preg test will confirm if its HCG or not but wont confirm if its HGH. For all I know its sugar!!! Its so hard finding jins these days and from what I hear lots of fake jins too even with the numbers etc..
I guess I will have up the dose but I doubt one would get sides from one high dose. With the jins it took a little while to feel the sides. For me mainly my hand and feet got swolen and joints hurt a bit and that was on 10 ius. As far as vaccum goes most have them but a few dont.

**peteroy01** · 11-19-2009, 12:57 AM

if im just starting out ill dose 6iu's ed for 3-4days and i usually start getting sides by the 3rd day but im retarded and do it again on the 4th anyway.

**JimInAK** · 11-24-2009, 04:10 PM

My most recent supply of blue tops also doesn't have vacuum. All the other times I have had vacuum in 95% of the vials.

However, my sides are the same and the product dissolves and looks the same as it always has.

I am hoping to have an IGF-1 test done when I start getting toward the end of this supply, just to verify that this stuff is good. I believe that it is, due to the similar effect and sides. In every way, my current vacuum-less product is identical.

I suspect that my supplier changed his packing/manufacturing process. Until my IGF-1 test comes back low, I will continue to have confidence in my supplier, but I will be getting another test in a month or two, just to be sure.

**ScotchGuard** · 11-25-2009, 05:15 AM

Jim, you should post your blood work results. I'm interested to see about the quality of your blue tops.

**peteroy01** · 11-25-2009, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard

Jim, you should post your blood work results. I'm interested to see about the quality of your blue tops.

and i second that

**holdmypole-r1** · 11-26-2009, 11:32 AM

I actually just got a set of blue tops... I'm going to do that test on it to be sure its real. Never taken GH before so I want to do it the right way. btw this is my first post I recently joined this site. Seems like alot of good ppl and information on this site. Thank yall very much

**ScotchGuard** · 11-28-2009, 06:11 AM

Best way to test your HGH is to do blood work before you start. Take HGH for a few weeks and do another blood test. If the IGF levels increase significantly you've good good stuff.

**JimInAK** · 11-29-2009, 07:11 PM

sorry i haven't got back with you guys... i've been out of town doing the turkey thing.

the day before i started doing HGH, i did an online blood spot test. the test result for IGF-1 content in my blood was about 158 ng/ml. i am giving you the facts from my memory, so i may be off a bit.

after taking 2- 2iu per day doses for four days, i sent in an identical blood spot test to the same online testing company. the test result was about 194 ng/ml, which was about a 20% increase after four daily doses.

then, i took an identical test 30 days later. my test result was 300 ng/ml, which was the top of the scale for the test. the test scale was based on my age and the expected outcome of the test. my true result was higher and i didn't get that more accurate result, because i failed to inform the testing company that i was doing HGH therapy.

at the time, i didn't realize that i needed to inform the testing company that they needed to use a different test, to measure my higher IGF-1 value.

the tests cost about $90 each and should tell you if you are getting real HGH.

i can't tell you anything about the issue of whether you have the 191 or 192 amino acid product... although with 192, if your body rejects the product, i would assume that your IGF-1 test would reflect the lower value. also, if your body has a negative reaction or for some reason cannot use the product, then the IGF-1 test would also show that, as a low reading.

i hope this post is helpful...

ps - this website has TONS of useful information and there are many guys here who are very helpful and knowledgeable. i've learned much more than i could ever contribute and appreciate all the contributions by others and all the true and factual information listed in the resources sections. the truth and the facts are here for those who are resourceful enough to use them. i've used this site to make my life better and i sincerely appreciate those who came before me and made this site possible.

**JimInAK** · 11-29-2009, 07:20 PM

FYI - in case i didn't make it clear... what i mean by an online blood test, is a company that is online that will send you a kit by UPS, which you use and you send the kit back containing your blood.

you deposit drops of blood on a paper card, seal the blood spots in an airtight container (all supplied by the company), which they analyze and in my case, they report the IGF-1 level in the blood spots supplied.

not only is this private, but it is less expensive an less invasive of my privacy, when compared with dealing with local doctors and testing labs.

**holdmypole-r1** · 11-30-2009, 11:33 AM

I know this isnt my thread but that really does help. Thank yall very much. I am definately looking forward to using this site to get the information I need to improve myself and my body.