my 1st HGH run.....

**Hazard** · 12-06-2009, 11:38 AM

I'll be ordering blue top generics and am in a bit of a toss up regarding when to take it. I know they are good to go..... a friend is using them and he's saying they're good.

I originally wanted to run 8-10iu's but it's not financially smart at the moment so i was considering 4iu's for a couple months and then bump up to 5iu's and then possibly 6iu's.

I've been reading a lot of mixed ideas on how and when to take it..... AM and PM, PWO, etc..... does anyone have any concrete info on when to take it? I was going to take 4iu's in one dose and once I bump it up i'd spilt it.

Any info or personal experience would be appreciated.....

~Haz~

**Hazard** · 12-06-2009, 11:39 AM

Oh and i'll be running it ED not 5/2 or 6/1 - after doing some reading and talking with some people running it that way..... it seems like the best way to doit.

~Haz~

**marcus300** · 12-06-2009, 11:48 AM

Someone of your age will still be producing a reasonable level of HGH so I would recommend your do your first injection early morning and early afternoon. Your body will release its own HGH at night so try avoiding this time will help,these times are also when your cortisol is at peak so the gh will help to blunt out the negative effects of cortisol. Ive tried many ways with GH and ive found the above to be the best, 5 on 2 off or 6 on 1 off is fine, ive also ran it 7 days which I do prefer if you can afford it.

**Hazard** · 12-06-2009, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Someone of your age will still be producing a reasonable level of HGH so I would recommend your do your first injection early morning and early afternoon. Your body will release its own HGH at night so try avoiding this time will help,these times are also when your cortisol is at peak so the gh will help to blunt out the negative effects of cortisol. Ive tried many ways with GH and ive found the above to be the best, 5 on 2 off or 6 on 1 off is fine, ive also ran it 7 days which I do prefer if you can afford it.

Thanks for the response Marcus..... I value your opinions greatly.

I'll def be doing 7 days..... Can I get away with one injection in the early AM for 4iu's - maybe something like 7am? The mornings aren't a problem for me..... early afternoons are tho. Due to being in the medical field...... i never know when emergencies are going to come up. Mornings are always safe tho

~Haz~

**Hazard** · 12-06-2009, 12:13 PM

If worse comes to worse..... I can almost always inject at 4pm...... is this too late in the afternoon?

~Haz~

**The Deuce** · 12-06-2009, 12:59 PM

It would depend on what time you were going to sleep then add approx. 1-2 hours from that and that is "SUPPOSEDLY" when your natural GH pulse occurs [when you are entering into REM sleep.. that deep sleep we need to GROW]... SO if you planned on going to bed at 10oclock .. lights out lay your head down.. then 4pm would be a good time for a 2nd inject.. it's all about pulsation.. so it would be best to split dose and do 2iu at 7am like you said and then optimize and hit again at 4pm..

Have you thought about adding GHRP-2 to it bro.. the whole purpose behind it is.. basically in layman's terms.. GHRP will initiate a GH PULSE.. so you take 100mcgs 10/15 mins before you do you Synthetic GH and then admin the GH.. doing it this way will allow you to better utilize the actual HGH you are putting into your body. Think of it like.. Using GH on roids.. basically and essentiallt doubling the effectiveness.. if you admin 300mcgs of GHRP-2 per day and do 6iu's of GH per day... you would be looking at a pituitary response of that of being on a synthetic regimen of HGH equal to that of 12iu's per day (in theory and clinical trials... and also in experience).. do you would be getting so much more out of you GH for a lot less...

GHRP-2 is sooooo cheap.. and comes in 5mg systems.. and if you start out at only 200mcgs per day 1 system would last 25 days.. approx. $1 per day.. now look at how much you'd spend if you wanted to run 8-10iu's of HGH per day.. yah.. the money can get staggering..

It's a more efficient and economical way to run a protocol like this. So say... you do 2 injects a day.. the 100mcgs + 2iu's of GH twice per day = 200mcgs + 4iu's of GH.. in a pituitary response situation.. you would actually be getting the benny's of being on 7-8iu's of Syn. GH for less than a quarter of the cost...

Just something to think about and ponder...

**lawstudent007** · 12-06-2009, 01:05 PM

From the info I've gathered by hrs of searching this, Marcus is right (of course). I'm not sure I've you've checked out this thread before, but here it is just in case:

My Guide to HGH for anyone interested

**Hazard** · 12-06-2009, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by lawstudent007

From the info I've gathered by hrs of searching this, Marcus is right (of course). I'm not sure I've you've checked out this thread before, but here it is just in case:

My Guide to HGH for anyone interested

Thanks law..... I have read it but I definately needed to re-read it

~Haz~

**Hazard** · 12-06-2009, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by The Deuce

It would depend on what time you were going to sleep then add approx. 1-2 hours from that and that is "SUPPOSEDLY" when your natural GH pulse occurs [when you are entering into REM sleep.. that deep sleep we need to GROW]... SO if you planned on going to bed at 10oclock .. lights out lay your head down.. then 4pm would be a good time for a 2nd inject.. it's all about pulsation.. so it would be best to split dose and do 2iu at 7am like you said and then optimize and hit again at 4pm..

Have you thought about adding GHRP-2 to it bro.. the whole purpose behind it is.. basically in layman's terms.. GHRP will initiate a GH PULSE.. so you take 100mcgs 10/15 mins before you do you Synthetic GH and then admin the GH.. doing it this way will allow you to better utilize the actual HGH you are putting into your body. Think of it like.. Using GH on roids.. basically and essentiallt doubling the effectiveness.. if you admin 300mcgs of GHRP-2 per day and do 6iu's of GH per day... you would be looking at a pituitary response of that of being on a synthetic regimen of HGH equal to that of 12iu's per day (in theory and clinical trials... and also in experience).. do you would be getting so much more out of you GH for a lot less...

GHRP-2 is sooooo cheap.. and comes in 5mg systems.. and if you start out at only 200mcgs per day 1 system would last 25 days.. approx. $1 per day.. now look at how much you'd spend if you wanted to run 8-10iu's of HGH per day.. yah.. the money can get staggering..

It's a more efficient and economical way to run a protocol like this. So say... you do 2 injects a day.. the 100mcgs + 2iu's of GH twice per day = 200mcgs + 4iu's of GH.. in a pituitary response situation.. you would actually be getting the benny's of being on 7-8iu's of Syn. GH for less than a quarter of the cost...

Just something to think about and ponder...

Thanks DEUCE! I'm going to go read into this a bit more. If it really does work like that..... I may stick with 5 iu's a day and use the GHRP-2.....

Here's another question..... I know most people do GH sub-Q which absorbs slower. Is there a reason one would want the GH to absorb slower or would IM injections be ok?

~Haz~

**The Deuce** · 12-06-2009, 09:55 PM

Bro.. here's the Pro of IM release.. IT WORKS BETTER !! Now here's the Con... Everytime you repeatedly stick a needle in your muscle.. slin pin or not.. you build up scar tissue...

So here's what I have been doing...

Alternation.. 2 days Sub-q and 5 days IM... 5 days sub-q and 2 days IM.

With slin's you only have .5"max for needle length so the spots you want to hit and rotate .. just like if you were using igf.. bicep, tricep, trap, quad.. tear drop is my fave.. but you can hit anywhere but inner on those bad boys so let it rip.. also, forearms.. yes forearms.. now it doesn't hurt.. aspirate make sure you aren't in a vein.. but hit the muscle part.. painless.. and calves. And of course.. all 3 heads of the delt... not spot injection GH won't cause localized growth but rotation like that will keep scar tissue to an absolute minimum!!

If you want lit on ghrp-2 let me know.. i got tons!!!

**Hazard** · 12-07-2009, 09:25 AM

i'll probably stick to mostly IM injections..... theres so many places to rotate. So let me get this straight......

7am 100mcg's GHRP-2
7:15am 2iu's GH

daily work routine

4pm 100mcg's GHRP-2
4:15pm 2iu's GH

does that sound right? Definately PM me some literature if you have it - i'd like to go over it. thanks man

~Haz~

**Hazard** · 12-08-2009, 01:31 PM

I DID IT! I SPRUNG FOR 4 KITS! WOOHOO! can't wait to get going...... i'm so damn excited LOLOLOL

deuce - any literature on ghrp-2?

~Haz~

**redz** · 12-08-2009, 01:37 PM

Good stuff,Keep us posted I`m sure I`ll eventually get on HGH.

**Hazard** · 12-08-2009, 01:45 PM

i think im going to stick with 4iu's and just try that ghrp-2 protocol that deuce talked about. Down the road maybe bump it up to 5 but if the ghrp-2 works like he says..... there wont be a need to run more.

~Haz~

**Researcher** · 12-08-2009, 02:10 PM

How long will 4 kits last you?

**The Deuce** · 12-08-2009, 07:20 PM

Sorry Haz..forgot to check this thread... yah.. here check this...

Studies have demonstrated that if some GH is administered during a time when a natural pulse is occurring the body will see this as one big pulse that gets up and down and will not interfere or give negative feedback such that subsequent natural pulses are inhibited. So a little GH can be give "in phase" (i.e. during a rising natural pulse) and there will be no interference with continued natural GH release.

If the GH is administered out of phase (i.e. during a trough when GH pulse is not naturally occurring) then there will be negative inhibition of natural GH release.

Now the amount of GH to be used is significant. If it is too high it will be elevated for too long... like the graphs above as Bob stated.

The mode of administration is important. IM is a quicker release then subcutaneous. The best mode of release is via IV. All of the GH hits at the same time w/ IV and in fact a 20iu dose is considered pulsatile because it is in and out in a short period of time.

I was talking to someone on my facebook page (they just pop up on my screen )and they are planning to do the combo w/ 20iu IV dosed GH. That will be an interesting experiment. I hope we get reports from it.

My feeling with IM dosing is that several iu can be used. IF you are going to generate your own pulse with GHRP-2 then you may be able to use 4iu.

Okay now that you understand that I want you to understand that rather then wait around for a natural pulse to occur (difficult to know) we create one with a GHRP. The one we are choosing is GHRP-2.

GHRP-2 will turn down the influence of somatostatin. Remember we have pulses in part because somatostatin (the inhibiting hormone) is turned on and it stops GH release. GHRP-2 when it is injected will reduce somatostatin's influence at that moment and increase GHRH's (the positive hormone) influence.

So GHRP-2 can be administered to start a pulse. OR if you have the funds GHRP-2/mod GRF(1-29) to create a strong pulse. Ten minutes later you can administer synthetic GH. If the dose is correct the body will see this as one big and a bit prolonged pulse.

I have heard that people have used 4ius IM before and would not go beyond that. You want the GH-receptor complex to have time off so that Stat5b signaling can reset and be strong when the next pulse occurs.

I know you have the synthetic GH and plan to pulse it but will always work better with GHRP-2. If you have the funds add mod GRF(1-29) to GHRP-2. If not GHRP-2 will suffice.

I would suggest 100-250mcg of GHRP-2 w/ 100mcg to 500mcgs of mod GRF(1-29) if you have it... wait 10 minutes and inject 2iu - 4iu of synthetic GH. You need time off when the pulses and GH round shape come back down to reset stat5b signalling.

If you have 6iu of GH I would split it across three dosings a day.

Hopefully that helped.

**The Deuce** · 12-08-2009, 07:27 PM

Why Ghrp-2 is the best...

"The first GHRP to be created was GHRP-6. Then GHRP-1 and later GHRP-2 and Hexarelin and finally Ipamorelin.

People see the 6 and think it is better.

GHRP-2 is the best period. It releases more GH then GHRP-6 at all doses and is as potent as Hexarelin. Prolactin and cortisol can be raised slightly around the 30 minute mark it falls back to baseline and below. It is a small spike at higher doses.

But since 70mcg of GHRP-2 will beat 100mcg of GHRP-6 it isn't a problem. If you use 70mcg of GHRP-2 you will not have a cortisol or prolactin bump. Probably not even at 100mcg and at those doses it is beating GHRP-6 as far as GH release. So only a fool would always opt for the sloppier peptide GHRP-6 when they can use a more versatile GHRP-2. Very few people are sensitive to a small bump in cort/prol that is still w/in normal range ad lasts less then 20 minutes." -DATbTrue

**The Deuce** · 12-08-2009, 07:29 PM

And the reasoning behind why you should run Ipamorelin with GHRP-2...

I can not wait to get my hands on the Ipamorelin!!!!

Ipamorelin

That is going to be a cool peptide to have around I think. I just think it will work well to cut the prolactin cortisol sides of GHRP-2 and still allow you to benefit from GHRP-2.

Blends

So maybe 50-75mcg of GHRP-2 + 50-100mcg Ipamorelin. The amino acids are such that you could even reconstitute them together in the same vial.

Combining a 5mg vial of GHRP-2 with 2mg vial of Ipamorelin would make a 100mcg dose = about 70mcg of GHRP-2 and 30mcg of Ipamorelin

A 150mcg dose - about 105mcg of GHRP-2 and 45mcg of Ipamorelin

That is a nice blend I might try myself.

Never before did you have a reason to blend but since Ipamorelin is so selective for GH release you could administer 100mcg of GHRP-2 and 300mcg of Ipamorein for a total of 400mcg of GHRP and have little to no impact on cortisol/prolactin release.

Alternating

You could also be selective when you use either. Food is a great inhibitor of cortisol. Maybe the GHRP-2 PWO and Ipamorelin prebed. No need to describe all the combinations but those people who feel cortisol interferes with sleep may be happy w/ Ipamorelin.

Lack of Hunger

If you want zero hunger I believe Ipamorelin will do that. So on a diet on a fasted empty stomach, Ipamorelin will not invoke hunger.

It will be a good peptide to use alongside GHRP-2.

**Hazard** · 12-09-2009, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by Researcher

How long will 4 kits last you?

just over 3 months at 4iu's a day - i'm doing 4iu's ED..... not the 5 on 2 off or 6 on 1 off protocol.

I'm ordering another 5 kits in a couple months.....

~Haz~

**Hazard** · 12-09-2009, 07:27 AM

Thanks deuce! very interesting.....

~Haz~

**Researcher** · 12-09-2009, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Hazard

just over 3 months at 4iu's a day - i'm doing 4iu's ED..... not the 5 on 2 off or 6 on 1 off protocol.

I'm ordering another 5 kits in a couple months.....

~Haz~

God damn that's alot of money. I'm trying to read up on the protocol's. Have you read that it's better every day vs. 5 on 2 off or 6 on 1 off? Or is that just personal preference.

**The Deuce** · 12-09-2009, 03:36 PM

Umm the ONLY REASON people do the 5on2off or 6on1off IS to SAVE MONEY !! People are cheap when it comes to GH.. they try to find the cheapest shit around.. then they do the LOWEST dose Possible... on a 5on2off ... then come around the 6month mark they are wondering WHY they only made minimal gains..

Now, if they had just spent the money on say GLOTROPIN and ran 5iu's EVERY SINGLE DAY..for 6months(minimum)-- 9month(midline-decent)--or 12months(Optimal) then they would see THE TRUE REAL BENEFITS of Human Growth Hormone ...

Yah, it might cost you the price of a BMW car loan every month.. BUT HEY.. That's what we do this for.. FOR A BETTER,STRONGER,LONGEVITY,PERMANENT PHYSIQUE.. Us Bodybuilders... we don't care what we drive for the most part.. as long as it's safe.. you turn the key and it starts.. and it gets you to and from the grocery store and the gym.

The wife can have the Nice car...

I'll have my MONSTER PHYSIQUE and My Harley !!!

**Hazard** · 12-09-2009, 03:50 PM

I just happen to get GH at an unreal almost unbelievable price LMFAO..... thats why I decided to go ahead and doit.

*NOTE* DO NOT PM ME ASKING FOR MY GH SOURCE

~Haz~

**Researcher** · 12-09-2009, 05:44 PM

Haha the thought crossed my mind

**Hazard** · 12-10-2009, 01:41 PM

LOL well.... you COULD..... but I can't give it to you anyways..... he's not accepting any new people.....

~Haz~

**bjpennnn** · 12-10-2009, 03:08 PM

the thought crossed my mind ha. Haz how is it going? how is the ed working for you I have only ran 5/2 I wonder if there is a big difference from ed.

**Hazard** · 12-10-2009, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

the thought crossed my mind ha. Haz how is it going? how is the ed working for you I have only ran 5/2 I wonder if there is a big difference from ed.

Havn't started yet but will let you guys know when I do.....

~Haz~

**Hazard** · 12-20-2009, 05:46 PM

Took my 1st injection today..... 2iu's at 3:00 - shot IM in shoulder.

tomorrow I do 2iu's around 6am and 2iu's around 3pm and will stay at 4iu's/day for a month before I add in GHRP-2.

will keep you guys posted on anything I notice.....

~Haz~

**Researcher** · 12-20-2009, 08:57 PM

Good stuff

**The Deuce** · 12-21-2009, 08:58 PM

I'm watching this !!

.. I PROMISE U WONT BE DISAPPOINTED MY BROTHA !!

**dsw222** · 12-22-2009, 07:54 AM

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**Hazard** · 12-26-2009, 07:09 AM

Day 6 at 4iu's a day..... I swear I feel more "Full" thats about it tho. It seems like when I do IM injections I have a mental feeling like I feel it working..... sub q not so much. Still really too early to tell anything..... i'll keep reporting in.

~Haz~