HGH+enanthate ?

**bo4d4** · 03-02-2010, 07:13 PM

I am @ the begining of my first HGH + Test cycle. I am a firm believer in taking the least amount of whatever I'm taking to get results. I haven't taken test in a very long time because I'm scared of gyno and the crash when coming off. I am taking HGH for the second time but for the first time with test. Here is my plan ....

3iu a day (5 or 6 times a week?) 12 month or longer if I like the results
250mg test enanthate a week ( enough? Fear of gyno and water retention) 12
1/2cc tren a week with test ( probably pointless....?)
T4 (should I? How long? How much?)
Nvdex (should I? How long? How much?)

Should I add anything? Up dose? Anything else?

My main objective is to get as lean a possible, but I wouldn't mind gaining some muscle while I'm doing it. I know that's very hard to do before you guys tell me. My diet is in place and I'm doing plenty of cardio so I'm hoping for some descent results over te next year.

Thanks!
I'm looking for suggestions and opinions on my plan and any information that you guys may think will be of help.

**Gear** · 03-03-2010, 03:45 AM

I haven't seen any difference between 5/2 and 6/1, so either way will do. As for how long you shold take it, the longer the better but 12 months on HGH straight is certainly enough time for some gains. As for your test dosage, I've always believed in no less than 500mgs p/week even if you are not after too much muscle mass. Tren can be a nice addition to your cycle but it's not a must. T4 is a great addition to your cycle so use about 50mcg daily. I only use Nolvadex if necessary.

Good luck.

-Gear

**bo4d4** · 03-03-2010, 11:34 PM

Gear - How long is it safe to stay on the T4? What can I do to keep the water retention down? I am worried that I will not be able to get lean while taking the test.... is that stupid?

Thanks for the help!

**Gear** · 03-04-2010, 09:51 AM

How long is safe to stay on any drug for canot be said as everybody reacts differently. As I've mentioned in the past I've ran T4 @ 50mcg p/day for about 9 months straight and I didn't experience any problems. Having said this, it doesn't mean you will react just as well. It's all about trial and error and this is the unfortunate thing about the world of drug use.

Personally, I would not be taking enanthate if you are trying to lean up. Enanthate usually causes a load of water retention which gives you the "bloated" look, and this look is totally the opposite of what you want to look like considering want you want achieve. Don't get me wrong, enanthate can certainly be used in your case, however I do strongly believe you are better of with something like test prop as you won't experience much water retention from this type of compound.

Go to the PCT forum and read up on all different drugs available in regards to cutting water out of your system. There are many useful threads there.

Best of luck.

-Gear

**bo4d4** · 03-04-2010, 11:14 AM

Gear - Ive read that... Unfortunately all I was able to get my hands on was enanthate maybe I will have better luck before I need another bottle. Is it possible still get lean while taking somthing that would cause water retention? My diet is in place and I'm religous with my cardio.

Thanks!

**Gear** · 03-05-2010, 10:39 AM

Yes it's still possible to get lean especially if you are taking something to get rid of the water, either way, the water will disappear sooner or later. Check out the PCT forum.

-Gear