Chinese HGH concerns

[rodge]

Thats is understandable and very wise!

and hgh is'nt my only concern outa china. i always use an ugl that i trust like its my own, and my workout buddy was on a primo only cycle from them and got some serieus gyno. so i'm fearing that also the powder sources are not always trustworthy. i hate to see if that becomes regurly cause if we have to go back to HG aas, we are back in the game of spot the fakes

[Xtralarg]

and hgh is'nt my only concern outa china. i always use an ugl that i trust like its my own, and my workout buddy was on a primo only cycle from them and got some serieus gyno. so i'm fearing that also the powder sources are not always trustworthy. i hate to see if that becomes regurly cause if we have to go back to HG aas, we are back in the game of spot the fakes

It is clear to me that China can not be trusted one bit, time after time I hear about how people have been betrayed by China and its fake, underdosed and now incorrect goods! What we have to remember is that these are compounds that we are putting into our bodies and we should never settle for second best just because it is a few $$ cheaper IMHO.

Thanks for you input here Rodge.

[rodge]

It is clear to me that China can not be trusted one bit, time after time I hear about how people have been betrayed by China and its fake, underdosed and now incorrect goods! What we have to remember is that these are compounds that we are putting into our bodies and we should never settle for second best just because it is a few $$ cheaper IMHO.

Thanks for you input here Rodge.

so true. le't's hope in time things will change for the best.

no problem mate

[Sheven]

no idea what it costs but heres the results

and its only 95% purity..my mistake lol


and its green tops not yellow tops

95% purity for growth hormone is very good. but you cannot find out this only from a SDS-Page.

[Jags77]

u need 1cc of bac water for each vial...each bottle of 30ml bacteriostactic water will last for three 100iu kits...so in ur case, if u have 4 kits, u need about two bottles of bac water

kits look like normal blue tops...first sign of fake GH would be loose powder..ur looks nicely compacted...which is great, but this entire thread is about how no matter what it looks like, how u feel on it, etc..it can be anything coming from china...

but dont get ur hopes down, there is legit gh coming from china, justmost of it however it either underdosed or totally fake...

as i wrote above, my friend and his friends in another forum got elitropins tested...these are generic yellow tops relabled and from china and they came back 97% purity...so not all hope is lost...

thanks for the input, got 2 30ml bac for the 6 kits. i ended up getting 6 kits because most everything i've read said you want to run hgh for at least 4-6 months for best potential.

glad to hear it 'looks fine', i just did first inj tonight of 1iu to start and the powder diluted within seconds of the bac running gently against it. no flakes or cloudiness remaining. i chose abdomen as the site from much of what i've read too. attached some pics of the mixed solution for reference to others. just swirled around slowly, not shaken.

if this does happen to be less potent than pharma, i may get a placebo effect anyhow since i wont wanna slack off spending decent money on all this stuff. same thing happened while i was on aas, although it worked well too

i'm assuming that the mixed product needs to refrigerated even if it will be used up within 3 or 4 days? just curious because out of convenience i'd rather keep in my safe in my closet (cool/dry) but read it can keep for weeks in fridge. thanks!

mine arrived this morning exactly the same!

nice! have same markings on box too? let me know how it works out for you, i'll do the same here.

hoping for decent results, but keeping expectations low.

[AndriodLee]

thanks for the input, got 2 30ml bac for the 6 kits. i ended up getting 6 kits because most everything i've read said you want to run hgh for at least 4-6 months for best potential.

glad to hear it 'looks fine', i just did first inj tonight of 1iu to start and the powder diluted within seconds of the bac running gently against it. no flakes or cloudiness remaining. i chose abdomen as the site from much of what i've read too. attached some pics of the mixed solution for reference to others. just swirled around slowly, not shaken.

if this does happen to be less potent than pharma, i may get a placebo effect anyhow since i wont wanna slack off spending decent money on all this stuff. same thing happened while i was on aas, although it worked well too

i'm assuming that the mixed product needs to refrigerated even if it will be used up within 3 or 4 days? just curious because out of convenience i'd rather keep in my safe in my closet (cool/dry) but read it can keep for weeks in fridge. thanks!



nice! have same markings on box too? let me know how it works out for you, i'll do the same here.

hoping for decent results, but keeping expectations low.

what color tops are those?

[GearAholic]

Lifeguard would def have some interesting info for you guys regarding his recent blood work results with rips and hyges I will see if I can get him on this thread to post his work for ya'll. I've been keeping my eye on this thread since in started and he has some intriguing findings for sure.

[BJJ]

Lifeguard would def have some interesting info for you guys regarding his recent blood work results with rips and hyges I will see if I can get him on this thread to post his work for ya'll. I've been keeping my eye on this thread since in started and he has some intriguing findings for sure.

That would be great, thank you.

[fossilfuel7]

Lifeguard would def have some interesting info for you guys regarding his recent blood work results with rips and hyges I will see if I can get him on this thread to post his work for ya'll. I've been keeping my eye on this thread since in started and he has some intriguing findings for sure.

He should be posting about it soon. We both started the Rips at the exact same time and were taking pretty much the same batch. We both kept in contact the whole time and had similar test results.

The source sent him some new kits to try and he will have results from them as well.

I just got a new kit for free from the source and will do an IGF-1 test before I start injecting that kit...then will do another test after completing the kit and I will post results about the findings.

As of now I am waiting on the funds that are supposed to pay for the tests.

[Jags77]

what color tops are those?

generic blue tops..almost done with first vial (supposedly 10IUs), started at 1iu/day and now at 1.5IU, will continue to 3/day or so or until sides are bad. only side so far is i feel sleepy earlier than usual, but i end up getting great sleep. still way too early to know anything though.

[foxycce]

im getting the symptoms of mine, tight veighns , acheing joints etc, debating on trying a diffo brand to see if theres any difference

[JimInAK]

Guys this is a great thread. I'm a noob so bear with me.

I have been looking into HGH and I'm amazed at some of the results.

I own a business that imports Nicotine (used ecigs) from China in LARGE quantities. I have been to China twice in the last year and know a little about the plants over there and can provide proof. I have a full time chemist here in the US who is on staff and test regularly for all my batches of nicotine coming from China. I'm not just testing strength, but also for adulterants, and flavoring as well. Testing for one chemical may be easy but testing for a gamete of other products and adulterants takes serious money and sometimes a full spectrum analysis.

Its one thing to test for HGH with a local lab. Yes they might be able to provide you with positive scores. However are they testing for any adulterants or fillers as well?

Just because a product dissolves in a set time does not make it legit. It is easy to mimic solubility with several chemicals out there.

That being said not every product from China is bad, but then again not every product is good either. I can produce bottles of "crap" and label it in a pretty bottle with blue, yellow, orange, or green caps as well. That does not make it a viable product. Heck my nicotine juice is labeled the same way with different color childproof caps and that does not mean that its legit and safe.

This is just my .2 cents.

I have purchased HGH from three different Chinese suppliers over the last year and a half, or so. I have never felt that I was not provided with genuine HGH.

I have never done "AMA approved, pharmacy-certified American produced" HGH, so perhaps I'm not getting the best product. However, I have no evidence that the Chinese product was not an excellent quality HGH.

My blood tests showed me that my liver reacted to the Chinese substance by dramatically increasing my IGF-1 level. Thus, I believe that the product I received was genuine.

Additionally, my results and the sides I experience were consistent and identical to those reported by people who were using, or thought they were using real HGH.

Lots of people, including myself have gotten fine results using Chinese products, including HGH.

I would be unable is benefit from HGH use without the availability of Chinese products. That's reality from my side of the tracks.

[Jags77]

I have purchased HGH from three different Chinese suppliers over the last year and a half, or so. I have never felt that I was not provided with genuine HGH.

I have never done "AMA approved, pharmacy-certified American produced" HGH, so perhaps I'm not getting the best product. However, I have no evidence that the Chinese product was not an excellent quality HGH.

My blood tests showed me that my liver reacted to the Chinese substance by dramatically increasing my IGF-1 level. Thus, I believe that the product I received was genuine.

Additionally, my results and the sides I experience were consistent and identical to those reported by people who were using, or thought they were using real HGH.

Lots of people, including myself have gotten fine results using Chinese products, including HGH.

I would be unable is benefit from HGH use without the availability of Chinese products. That's reality from my side of the tracks.

This is promising to hear. FWIW, my supplier has been contacting me for my feedback on his product about every week or so, asking if I have any questions etc (not sure what to ask him lol).

When I was first inquiring about the product, he said if I was skeptical at all that I could buy just one box if preferred. this was more in reference to worrying that i would even receive anything. To me, that says something about the company. not to mention he has said he wants repeat business which is what you'd hope most suppliers would be after as well. But we know there are bad seeds so that isn't always true.

Anyhow, it's about 3 weeks in and been doing 5/2, started with 1iu/day and up to 3iu/day now and nothing negative to report. feel good overall, great workouts especially cardio. getting a bit leaner, can tell just with how clothes fit but a lot could just be placebo effect since it's still very early in.

i had some blood tests done before starting which im going to see doc about results in a week and plan to test again in a couple months. will report back in.

[Dfour]

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[jimi1]

Great thread.

I'm on my 3rd day of IP Yellow Tops, 2IU per day, and now I feel I should have a sample tested.

I contacted three labs so far. Here are their replies:

1. Analytical Research Laboratories
www.arlok.com

Yes, we can test potency of Somatropin by HPLC. The cost is $250 per sample. We do ask that you provide material to be used as a reference standard or we can provide the standard at additional cost.

I appreciate the opportunity to provide this information to you. Would you let me know how you found ARL to request this testing? Please let me know if you have any other questions or requests for testing.

Thank you,

Kathy Heatherly, MSFS
Technical Sales & Support Representative
Analytical Research Laboratories
840 Research Parkway, Ste. 546
Oklahoma City, OK
phone: (405)271-1144
fax: (405)271-1174
[email protected]


2. www.Intertek.com
Thank you for your interest in our services; we have reviewed your
inquiry. Unfortunately we are unable to provide you with the testing
services requested. However, ExperTox may be able to help you; here is
their website and phone number: http://www.expertox.com/, 281-476-4600.
Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any further testing
needs. I apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause. I look
forward to helping you in the future. Thank you and have a good day.

I emailed ExperTox and received this:

Sorry, we do not test for any growth hormones.

April Broward
Customer Service
ExperTox


3. http://www.healthtestingcenters.com/hgh-blood-test.aspx
(Testing Provided by Labcorp www.Labcorp.com)
$79 for HGH test.

I asked if they provide testing on samples of reconstituted HGH, before injection, but no reply yet.

[bjpennnn]

anyone of you used the rips the china is providing? i want some feedback on this hgh thing. it seems like its a huge ****en scam now ha.

[bjpennnn]

come on boyssss

[40plusnewbie]

So I see the holy grail of generic HGH locations in China has still not been discovered. Damn!

On a side note I don't think it's (at least in my experience, in fact in my experience I KNOW) it's not like : buy from china, get ripped off. U would be surprised to learn what I have bought from china and it was legit (although no longer available.

I think HGH is it's own beast but when dealing with other compounds if u can deal with a very large outfit it simply isn't in their best interest to screw you over anymore than it's in McDonald's best interests to start selling every 3rd hamburger with no meat in it, just bread. It's bad business. Now if ur dealing with someone pretending to be a large company, that's a different story. But if ur dealing with a billion dollar company I think it's highly unlikely they will jack you (the person who intercepts ur email might in secret, but not the company). So make sure u get the name of supervisor and stuff like that in case u run across a weasel like that.

[bjpennnn]

anyone have any feedback on riptropins are the gtg?

[frawnz]

anyone have any feedback on riptropins are the gtg?

I tried two different batches of rips and got nothing but bloat from both. IGF-1 went up only nominally at 6IU/day on the first batch, and actually went down on the 2nd batch. My source refunded most of my money thankfully. I'm done with HGH until such a time that I can afford US pharm grade. Chinese HGH = junk IMO.

And I have yet to see bloodwork posted by those claiming that Chinese HGH is awesome.

[40plusnewbie]

and hgh is'nt my only concern outa china. i always use an ugl that i trust like its my own, and my workout buddy was on a primo only cycle from them and got some serieus gyno. so i'm fearing that also the powder sources are not always trustworthy. i hate to see if that becomes regurly cause if we have to go back to HG aas, we are back in the game of spot the fakes

There are trustworthy places in China, I would not look toward steroid specialists to find them though....

[Twist]

Came to the conclusion that my chinese hgh black tops was some sort of an anti-estrogen compound. Acne exploded, water loss in muscles and sub q, headaches, and I have not felt very good either (unable to workout with motivation) - idk if that is related. Got to be an anti estrogen. I can't think of any other explanation.

[bjpennnn]

badger milk ^^^

[lift_heavy]

i heard after one hour of pin

[trike]

There is a site that buyers award Chinese sellers "reputation points". Seems to be a good way to pick a good source.

[Xtralarg]

There is a site that buyers award Chinese sellers "reputation points". Seems to be a good way to pick a good source.

It's not reliable.

[Peace Missile]

Can anybody tell from the pics, if these are fakes? (pics from the website).

[marcus300]

Come on, you posted white powder in bottles with green tops, impossible to say but the % would be high that is contains crap or fake. Dont watse your time and money on rubbish like this buy pharm grade.

[JimInAK]

I can't say if your source is good, but those vials look like genuine HGH. If you don't know your source, then you may want to seriously consider Marcus' advice.

A scammer can put HGC in a vial, which looks like HGH. You can test your product with a birth control test strip and that will reveal if you've got HGC. You can take IGF-1 blood tests, which will tell you whether your HGH is genuine. You can get good Chinese HGH, if you're dealing with a reputable source.

[Far from massive]

Great thread Marcus,

I was discussing this with a friend last night; he was saying how a guy he knew at the gym was selling growth cheap. I told him to be careful because cheap often equals fake. As far as detecting fakes from label quality, holograms etc. that may be a great technique for AAS being sold by UGLs operated out of garages, on a full scale counterfeiting operation like you generally see in china they have the resources in place to easily fake all of that stuff. They often spend millions on a plant to make billions, remember the fake "Big Berthas" that were coming out a few years back? PGA players could not tell they were fake till they hit a ball.

[trike]

I can't say if your source is good, but those vials look like genuine HGH. If you don't know your source, then you may want to seriously consider Marcus' advice.

A scammer can put HGC in a vial, which looks like HGH. You can test your product with a birth control test strip and that will reveal if you've got HGC. You can take IGF-1 blood tests, which will tell you whether your HGH is genuine. You can get good Chinese HGH, if you're dealing with a reputable source.

Ya they can put anything in call it hgh... I saw someone on another board praising the effects of hgh and how he didnt know if it was a side effect but he was getting noticeably darker... he said people around him were asking if he was tanning... dude was sold some melanotan. You can get an IGF-1 blood test but that wont determine whether you were given ghrp-6 or hgh both increase your IGF-1 level. HCG is easy to spot with a prego test... the others I mentioned, not so much.

[turk1968]

I dont know how you could possibly tell if chinese hgh is good or fake as all the different makes are the same vials with no/different labels stuck on them that we could all get made up at any printers. The vials are not made by the hgh manufacturers but bought wholesale and could be bought by anyone. Most sources are just middle men and just pass on the orders to the manufacturers who either send out direct or back to the source for remail. Unless you actually know the person who runs/owns the factory you will never know whether its real/fake/underdosed or full of other nasties we dont know about. The pictures above just look like standard blues or greens readily bought from many places. I have used ansomone /blues /greens for the last 4 years and now have just started saizen so lets see if pharma is much different !

[Far from massive]

please read the rule, marcus

[Peace Missile]

I've spoken to the seller for quite some time now and everything seems to be legite. I've ordered and received 100iu of those green tops which I posted, i'll get it tested to find out for sure!

[turk1968]

let us know how you are going to get it tested. Many have tried all i believe have failed!

[Xtralarg]

Where are you going to get it tested?

[BG]

Well I've been on hyge 8 iu tops for almost 3 months now and they are comparable to the original jins. I have used brown, blue, red tops since then and they weren't close.

As rodge had mentioned , I to believe the raws from over seas are garbage also. We have no way of testing a y more. I had all my ugl gear tested back in the day and the gear wAs so much better then. I just started to get the " feel " of my gear again since turning to hg.

[Peace Missile]

I've done the pregnancy test and it came out negative, thus it is not HCG. I have started taking the HGH Green Tops and already have experienced the vivid dreams associated with HGH. So far, so good........

[BG]

I've done the pregnancy test and it came out negative, thus it is not HCG. I have started taking the HGH Green Tops and already have experienced the vivid dreams associated with HGH. So far, so good........

These two facts mean nothing. The problem is they arent using hcg , its to expensive, they are just using anything they can find that will mimic hgh side effects.

[Peace Missile]

These two facts mean nothing. The problem is they arent using hcg , its to expensive, they are just using anything they can find that will mimic hgh side effects.

Well I wouldn't say they mean nothing! For a start, it means it is not HCG! Secondly, the vivid dreams is a good sign. Furthermore, I have done more checks on the seller and things are looking promising (thank God)!