Chinese HGH concerns

[marcus300]

I seriously doubt that it's a production mistake.. Possibly and probably only products sold to U.S. or other countries on a retail level would be more likely. I'm pretty sure the hospitals and commercial accounts, doc's etc in Asia and maybe elsewhere are receiving quality products. They would be more subject to legal ramifications if hospitals etc were receiving bad product.

Agreed

[Sheven]

Agreed

are you insane? china is the country where for several years in a row they have been mixing milk with melanine and children has been dying. this happened around 2004 and until 2008 with the olympics they didnt crack down on that because there was interest.

this is the country where FAMOUS pharmaceutical manufacturers from china bought INCREDIBLE TOXIC capsules made from leather residues and sold them all around china and even EXPORT???

http://offbeatchina.com/from-waste-l...posed-in-hebei

forget it bro's, anhui anke is doing a big illegality selling gear off the email to any body contacting and also stating that in emails, if they have such regard for the law what regard do you think they put into their medicine? the chinese DON'T GIVE A SHIT, unless you control them extremely strict with bullet proof contracts and COA and supply chain security FORGET IT. you are bending over and waiting to get F*CKED by this ruthless people. they are ripping off all the civilized world by stealing all patents and respecting NOTHING of the western world standards meanwhile rubbing all this in our face by showing off in expensive luxury brands. Well good for them, but someone tell them to put TOILET PAPER in the can because some poeple DO WHIPE THEIR ASS.

****ing scum of the eart chinese people

[Sheven]

yes i understand what your saying but to me this is why im suspicious. why would they be making real hgh for some . stop the process and then fill a few with bunk and then continue on making the real stuff . they are either makin real hgh or they are not . i dont believe theyd be making real hgh for some and not for others
i dont want to go too conspiracy theory but ....... maybe nancy and a couple of others are making money on the side supplying bunk gear with all the correct labelling ?

anyway for me the most logical situation for a massive pharma company like that is they have had a few quality control mistakes that they know about but wont admit to and they have or will rectify the problem and continue production / supply . theyve got the licences and all accreditation which will have cost them millions to get not to mention the millions of investment. why would they want to f**k up their reputation for the whole company for comparatively small money ?!

because they DON'T GIVE A SHIT. they are totally corrupt all the money they do with the export of this product is ILLEGAL and is hidden is not official, is the business of the some managers and the some 25 year old bitch that is controlling the email. That's it. don't you even imagine they ever report this in their balance sheet, how could they? i have visited ankebio in hefei and talked to the general manager. it wasn't even for gh is was for interferon alpha 2b, they cannot export ANYTHING without proper permits not to mention restricted medicine, all this email selling shit is the scheme of few workers inside there. i even got a keychain from this ****s.

[Sheven]

this is their catalog they fill you with bullshit claiming they are serious and that never sell unoficial then have the nerve to protect their brand and say other people want to ruin their name. What about the thousands of dolars they get from each ripped of client like marcus here? what about their name they don't give a shit they think in Europe and USA rains with cash and that all western world is so rich that they can just mock us in the face and treat us like retarded people.

[marcus300]

are you insane? china is the country where for several years in a row they have been mixing milk with melanine and children has been dying. this happened around 2004 and until 2008 with the olympics they didnt crack down on that because there was interest.

this is the country where FAMOUS pharmaceutical manufacturers from china bought INCREDIBLE TOXIC capsules made from leather residues and sold them all around china and even EXPORT???

http://offbeatchina.com/from-waste-l...posed-in-hebei

forget it bro's, anhui anke is doing a big illegality selling gear off the email to any body contacting and also stating that in emails, if they have such regard for the law what regard do you think they put into their medicine? the chinese DON'T GIVE A SHIT, unless you control them extremely strict with bullet proof contracts and COA and supply chain security FORGET IT. you are bending over and waiting to get F*CKED by this ruthless people. they are ripping off all the civilized world by stealing all patents and respecting NOTHING of the western world standards meanwhile rubbing all this in our face by showing off in expensive luxury brands. Well good for them, but someone tell them to put TOILET PAPER in the can because some poeple DO WHIPE THEIR ASS.

****ing scum of the eart chinese people

Calm down you dumb arse. I agree but production with ankie as only gone bad but yes the Chinese will do anything for money.

[Razor]

this is their catalog they fill you with bullshit claiming they are serious and that never sell unoficial then have the nerve to protect their brand and say other people want to ruin their name. What about the thousands of dolars they get from each ripped of client like marcus here? what about their name they don't give a shit they think in Europe and USA rains with cash and that all western world is so rich that they can just mock us in the face and treat us like retarded people.

Is that you in your avi?

[Sheven]

Calm down you dumb arse. I agree but production with ankie as only gone bad but yes the Chinese will do anything for money.

I had one of my rasist moments but truth is i used to be a sino-phile since i realized they are the biggest thiefs in the world. The civilized world has done a huge mistake allowing them into the school systems, now the sea turtle phenomenon is causing the largest tehnology and knowledge shift in history. They apply everything they learned in our school systems and use it against us.

I have a huge experience with chinese factories especially for chemicals (not hormones, chill) and they are the most insane and ruthless guys i have ever seen. Most factories that have FDA approval to export intermediates to USA don't even have windows at thei warehouses and the bathroom sticks like its has been cleaned 8 years ago. In the hormones field i have visited just Anke and Zhongshang Hygene and both factroies are schetcky as hell, the real factory and the real managers have nothing to do with the export that is going on through the emails, emails are controlled most of the time by very young girls that have a deal with a middle chain manager (Hygene salesagent was once selling goods that Hygene never manufactured, but was made in an outside factory since theirs is very controlled, but still claiming the quality of Hygene).

[Ronnie Rowland]

If you purchased 4iu vials or 6 iu vials of ANSOMONE GH and it has these numbers on the side of the box it's fake!

6iu vial box
20120329
201402
s20093035


4iu vial box
20120320
201402
s199990021

[EasyDoesIt]

Calm down you dumb arse. I agree but production with ankie as only gone bad but yes the Chinese will do anything for money.

@ Marcus To funny man, and on a serious note thanks for putting this out there, fortunately I have quality source at this point, but if I didn't I just wouldn't be taking hgh, or id be negotiating my best price through an anti-aging Co. but at some point if offered Ankei product I now know NOT! @ Sheven, You are absolutely correct on there (CINESE) CORRUPT, SLIMEY, FU.. EVERYONE FOR THE MONEY ATTITUDE!
My take on it: They know anyone buying off the net has no where to go for complaints. Our gov. I don't think so, there gov. Laugh at you, yes they are totally corrupt, but killing off there customer base would not be in there best interest for repeat business in there country or anywhere else. Maybe something that caused death 15-20 years later: YES! There thieves, but not idiots and I just don't think in the big picture they want to lose there customers. The whole Internet selling biz is separate from there real biz. They know there gov. Is on there side as far as selling junk off the net, so there safe there. The link regarding the factory states owner arrested and shut down. There are Rogue manufacturers in every country. Ankei knows what it can get away with, i still believe they discovered the fact that people in the U.S. and elsewhere are buying up cheap, what they think is HGH and wanted to capitalize on the market. Cost is minimal to set up plant to knock that junk out. At the end of the day, there going to say its not us to the buyers and the Chinese gov. does not care. MATTER OF FACT THE GOVERNMENT THERE MAY BE GETTING A CUT OF ALL THIS CRAP FROM ALL THE COMPANIES THERE SELLING FAKES!!! They know as long as they can put anything in the product that remotely has some side that hgh would have, they will keep selling it.
In big business, companies know if there competitors are raking in money in an area they have not tapped into, "Don't wait to long or you will be out of business". None of us should be so naive to think that selling this crap online is small business, it may very well be larger than the legitimate end of business, profit wise.
ALL WE CAN DO TO GET EVEN IS SPREAD THE WORD!!!! YOU GUYS HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF ANKEI, BUT I JUST DONT BUY THE FACT THAT NANCY IS BEHIND THIS.
Anywhere I can ad my two cents to any other sites or blogs, I will be happy to. I am registered with another site like this, but never use it. I found this site to be great and do not have time to spend on them.

[Swifto]

They're probably spending the hundreds of thousands of dollars to manufacturer their legit HGH to sell to hospitals and HRT clinics and then selling shit in a bottle for exporting to the end user, such as us.

Selective scamming is the oldest trick in the book.

[Ronnie Rowland]

they're probably spending the hundreds of thousands of dollars to manufacturer their legit hgh to sell to hospitals and hrt clinics and then selling shit in a bottle for exporting to the end user, such as us.

Selective scamming is the oldest trick in the book.

Exactly!

[Sheven]

guys, chinese hospitals are full with counterfeit medicine and their biggest factories were using capsules made from scrap leather that remained from the clothing industry. can you imagine that? do you think they have high standards for the chinese system and bad for export? they have horrible standards for chinese system and however you want to call it, for export.

[EasyDoesIt]

guys, chinese hospitals are full with counterfeit medicine and their biggest factories were using capsules made from scrap leather that remained from the clothing industry. can you imagine that? do you think they have high standards for the chinese system and bad for export? they have horrible standards for chinese system and however you want to call it, for export.

I don't doubt that at all buddy. But from a business standpoint, it would only make sense to separate a factory making fake gear from one that makes real. Even if the factory that makes real has Rats running around and is not clean, it would still make sense to separate the two. This is a a little off the subject but a good example of why separation would make sense. Years ago I dealt with a company that reproduced Videos. They did work ranging from Churches to Porn and one of there big accounts was a large televised Ministry. The porn videos were mislabeled for the Ministry. All the Bible readers plugged there Videos in and found PORN! That had to be Funny! They quit doing business with the Porn people.

On another note, if a separate factory is being used to make junk, they can always say, "NOT OUR COMPANY" we are over here on 4th street, not main street. It's pretty obvious, that the standards for factories making perishable products would not have near the quality control as the U.S. but what were talking about is making FAKE PRODUCT VS. REAL PRODUCT. The real product works and fake does not. For the sake of just saying: Real product costs 100.00 to make and is sold through distributors which starts chopping the price up and they triple there profit. Fake cost is 20.00 and sold direct to consumer, and profit may be 15 times higher. I'm just throwing out numbers, but you get the picture.

[Sheven]

I don't doubt that at all buddy. But from a business standpoint, it would only make sense to separate a factory making fake gear from one that makes real. Even if the factory that makes real has Rats running around and is not clean, it would still make sense to separate the two. This is a a little off the subject but a good example of why separation would make sense. Years ago I dealt with a company that reproduced Videos. They did work ranging from Churches to Porn and one of there big accounts was a large televised Ministry. The porn videos were mislabeled for the Ministry. All the Bible readers plugged there Videos in and found PORN! That had to be Funny! They quit doing business with the Porn people.

On another note, if a separate factory is being used to make junk, they can always say, "NOT OUR COMPANY" we are over here on 4th street, not main street. It's pretty obvious, that the standards for factories making perishable products would not have near the quality control as the U.S. but what were talking about is making FAKE PRODUCT VS. REAL PRODUCT. The real product works and fake does not. For the sake of just saying: Real product costs 100.00 to make and is sold through distributors which starts chopping the price up and they triple there profit. Fake cost is 20.00 and sold direct to consumer, and profit may be 15 times higher. I'm just throwing out numbers, but you get the picture.

Like someone said before, selective scamming all the way. But don't assume they make distinctions when scamming anyone, the same way they scam Chinese people like they do foreigners. I am sure they make also decent products even high quality ones when they need (are pushed or have interest).

[itrain]

Hi ,, I am new to this board a member from PM brought this thread to my attention

I just wanted to put my 2 cents for what it is worth

I have used ansomone for over 2 years before that was jintropin,,, and have also used jintropin for the ukranian/russian market... (my gh history includes humatrope/saizen/norvo nordisk)

The ansomone and jintropin have compared in results and igf levels... more recently have tested serum on both ansomone and jintropin and results mimmicked usa pharma

I am still using ansomone but havent been able to get a serum test as of the last 3 months since moving over to Canada or else I would take one and post results

All of the members I have dealt with when I was a rep for a now private company who showed me there gh serums where all in the 20-30 range at 10IU for ansomone and jintropin

Queefer ansomone was from a sponsor that does not have a good rep so that should be taken with a grain of salt


Marcus I have read your posts.. That is all great ... why should someone believe that "oh I talked to a few people and they had bad side effects" this is something you would of along time ago laughed at because gh is not something you can truly base on side effects and Im sure most people here know this.. GH involves so much money that the only way we can really get an honest judge of quality is through a vial analyis or the poor but still affective to about 60-70% is the gh serum.. So unless you have valid tests showing your gh from Said source is bunk then I personally would just read rite through it.

I will still be using ansomone and my russian jins until I pass away .. I think it all boils down to your source ... Its unfortunate but thats what the GH game has come to

[Sgt. Hartman]

^^This whole anke bio selling bunk GH deal is very recent. There are many of us who have been running ansomone for extended periods of time with great results but it's just within the last several weeks that all this has surfaced.

I've just started my new batch of ansomone a few days ago and haven't noticed anything different at all - not the way the powder looks, reconstitutes, or post injection sides. I'm about to ramp to 10 iu so i should know something very shortly. Once I get to 10iu I'll get blood work done and post up GH serum level and IGF-1 level. Fingers crossed ........

[Razor]

Hi ,, I am new to this board a member from PM brought this thread to my attention

I just wanted to put my 2 cents for what it is worth

I have used ansomone for over 2 years before that was jintropin,,, and have also used jintropin for the ukranian/russian market... (my gh history includes humatrope/saizen/norvo nordisk)

The ansomone and jintropin have compared in results and igf levels... more recently have tested serum on both ansomone and jintropin and results mimmicked usa pharma

I am still using ansomone but havent been able to get a serum test as of the last 3 months since moving over to Canada or else I would take one and post results

All of the members I have dealt with when I was a rep for a now private company who showed me there gh serums where all in the 20-30 range at 10IU for ansomone and jintropin

Queefer ansomone was from a sponsor that does not have a good rep so that should be taken with a grain of salt


Marcus I have read your posts.. That is all great ... why should someone believe that "oh I talked to a few people and they had bad side effects" this is something you would of along time ago laughed at because gh is not something you can truly base on side effects and Im sure most people here know this.. GH involves so much money that the only way we can really get an honest judge of quality is through a vial analyis or the poor but still affective to about 60-70% is the gh serum.. So unless you have valid tests showing your gh from Said source is bunk then I personally would just read rite through it.

I will still be using ansomone and my russian jins until I pass away .. I think it all boils down to your source ... Its unfortunate but thats what the GH game has come to

I hope Ronnie respondes to this

[BigBadWolf]

Hi ,, I am new to this board a member from PM brought this thread to my attention

I just wanted to put my 2 cents for what it is worth

I have used ansomone for over 2 years before that was jintropin,,, and have also used jintropin for the ukranian/russian market... (my gh history includes humatrope/saizen/norvo nordisk)

The ansomone and jintropin have compared in results and igf levels... more recently have tested serum on both ansomone and jintropin and results mimmicked usa pharma

I am still using ansomone but havent been able to get a serum test as of the last 3 months since moving over to Canada or else I would take one and post results

All of the members I have dealt with when I was a rep for a now private company who showed me there gh serums where all in the 20-30 range at 10IU for ansomone and jintropin

Queefer ansomone was from a sponsor that does not have a good rep so that should be taken with a grain of salt

Marcus I have read your posts.. That is all great ... why should someone believe that "oh I talked to a few people and they had bad side effects" this is something you would of along time ago laughed at because gh is not something you can truly base on side effects and Im sure most people here know this.. GH involves so much money that the only way we can really get an honest judge of quality is through a vial analyis or the poor but still affective to about 60-70% is the gh serum.. So unless you have valid tests showing your gh from Said source is bunk then I personally would just read rite through it.

I will still be using ansomone and my russian jins until I pass away .. I think it all boils down to your source ... Its unfortunate but thats what the GH game has come to

Sounds like someone might be losing money if everyone finds out.

[Sgt. Hartman]

Ansomone is registered nowhere outside China but they sell it over website...same as GenSci they ask for a anal rape and most certainly will get it one day or another.

forget it bro's, anhui anke is doing a big illegality selling gear off the email to any body contacting and also stating that in emails, if they have such regard for the law what regard do you think they put into their medicine?

all this email selling shit is the scheme of few workers inside there. i even got a keychain from this ****s.

They don't sell GH via their web site or even email to any country where GH is illegal or customs is an issue. That's how GenSci got busted and lost their license and it seems AnkeBio has learned their lesson from that.

Anybody who orders Ansomone directly to US or Australia or other countries where it's illegal is for sure ordering a fake/counterfeit product.

[Razor]

They don't sell GH via their web site or even email to any country where GH is illegal or customs is an issue. That's how GenSci got busted and lost their license and it seems AnkeBio has learned their lesson from that.

Anybody who orders Ansomone directly to US or Australia or other countries where it's illegal is for sure ordering a fake/counterfeit product.

Very good point!!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi ,, I am new to this board a member from PM brought this thread to my attention

I just wanted to put my 2 cents for what it is worth

I have used ansomone for over 2 years before that was jintropin,,, and have also used jintropin for the ukranian/russian market... (my gh history includes humatrope/saizen/norvo nordisk)

The ansomone and jintropin have compared in results and igf levels... more recently have tested serum on both ansomone and jintropin and results mimmicked usa pharma

I am still using ansomone but havent been able to get a serum test as of the last 3 months since moving over to Canada or else I would take one and post results

All of the members I have dealt with when I was a rep for a now private company who showed me there gh serums where all in the 20-30 range at 10IU for ansomone and jintropin

Queefer ansomone was from a sponsor that does not have a good rep so that should be taken with a grain of salt


Marcus I have read your posts.. That is all great ... why should someone believe that "oh I talked to a few people and they had bad side effects" this is something you would of along time ago laughed at because gh is not something you can truly base on side effects and Im sure most people here know this.. GH involves so much money that the only way we can really get an honest judge of quality is through a vial analyis or the poor but still affective to about 60-70% is the gh serum.. So unless you have valid tests showing your gh from Said source is bunk then I personally would just read rite through it.

I will still be using ansomone and my russian jins until I pass away .. I think it all boils down to your source ... Its unfortunate but thats what the GH game has come to

First of all I want to say I appreciate you coming over here registering on this board and taking the time to give us both your experience and opinion of ansomone, etc. I understand where you are coming from but I also want you to know where marcus and many of the rest of us are coming from but first I have a very important question for you- "Do you believe that the generics from china like riptropin that cause more water bloat that legit pharm grade because they are not purified as much to make it more cost effective? "

Now I will explain why there is so much drama on the rise concerning Ansomone. Last year marcus praised them because some of his friends started getting results using ansomone. I was one of those guys! I ran some before my show last year and it was so strong I could tell the difference if I ran 4 ius verse 8 ius during my final wekes of dieting. When I bumped it up to 8ius for a couple of weeks my bodyweight remained the same yet my definition increased. But, I did not have enough money to run 8ius the whole time and when I bumped it down to 4ius daily I began to lose more weight along with muscle. I won the masters division last year by the way using ansomone. I've been a personal trainer for 28 years and I know the difference between good products , watered down products, and fake products. I know my body very well. What I used dieting down for the show was top notch. I compare it to pharm grade serostim I got from a U.S. doctor/friend/bodybuilder back in the 90's.

My second experience came with ansomone earlier this year. I used 4ius of ansomone per day for 4 months beginning 2 months after having had a 4-level spinal fusion on my lower back on 12-14-11 to help ensure my bone graft mended together. Not only did my bones fuse together nicely, I looked almost contest ready 6 months post back surgery! Simply put, I could tell it was real GH.So here's two good experiences I had using ansomone.

Now for the bad experience. My wife had a 2-level foot fusion on 5-30-12 so I ordered some more Ansomone from the same source (NANCY) to ensure her bone fused together as mine did. I also ordered some extra ansomone for myself because I was looking so good I did not want to stop. I saw right then and there that real GH was addictive! Now here's what went down- I ordered 6iu vials but received both 4 iu vials and 6 iu vails for some strange reason!? However, I did receive all the ius I ordered and nancy apologized for not sending out all 6iu vials that I had wanted instead of both 4iu and 6 iu. The first box of 4iu vials was like concrete and would not mix. I contacted Nancy 5 times over a 6 week period regarding this issue and I never got a response back which was way out of character from the previous experience I had with anke bio. The GH we got was bad and what pisses me of the most was that 3 months later the bone density in my wifes foot that was fused looks very poor which should not be since GH increases bone mineral uptake, especially when taking 4 citracal calcium pills per day along with a high protein diet! Furthermore, I have been able to lift heavier with more intensity because my back has healed a great deal, diet has remained the same, but I no longer look hard as a rock and veiny but rather soft and lacking vascularity. I should be even harder and more vascular if the growth hormone was real but it is not.

Before I started the bad batch of GH my wife was taking pics of me like crazy at the sleep in we stay at 2 weeks after her surgery because I looked so good. She said I looked the best she had seen since I was contest ready last year before winning my division. But 10 weeks later we visited her doctor again and I asked her if she wanted to take more pics while staying at the same hotel in the very same room. She said I see no need because you don't look nearly as big or vascular as you did 10 weeks ago! I told her I was afraid she was going to say that because I had been noticing the same thing but was not wanting to accept that the last GH I purchased was no good.

NOTE: I have been using 4iu vials and 6iu vials..Heres the numbers on the boxes:

6iu box
20120329
201402
s20093035

4iu box
20120320
201402
s199990021

IMPORTANT NOTE: After threatening nancy I would go public I finally reiieved the following 4 emails below in quotes and am still waiting for a response. I hope they make things right because if they do not it's going to be drama central on several bodybuiding boards. I also want to make it very clear that marcus has nothing to gain by coming forth with the truth. He just received 1000ius and chances are great it's no good as well. I realize it was either a bad batch some of us got or they are selective scamming. If it had been a bad batch they would have handled the entire situation different from the get go IMO. Surely you can see this!?

1) "You can visit China to see how our company goes well, and our company has sold these products for around 15 years. We have won lots of adwards issued by China Government. And any people can purchase all sizes of our products in almost all hospitals in China with different batches. Why we sell FAKE to the people to destroy our good reputation? If you insisted that we sold FAKE products to you, why you ask us to offer you more?
Anyway, if you are so eager to get, we can offer you some FREE. But be informed that we only offer real products!"

2) "Yes, our 10 IU is marked with "grey top with flip off", but it DOES NOT mean that all vials with grey top with flip off are from us! FAKE products can with same color top with same word of flip off."

3) "All of our ANSOMONE/HGH are manufactured in the same production line in our GMP plant for many years. There is no reason for us to offer you FAKE products if you bought products directly from us. As our ANSOMONE/HGH has very good reputation for many years, that is reason why so lots of FAKE ANSOMONE and FAKE AnkeBio people on internet now. The inner and outer packing of these FAKE are very similar to our real products. Once again, if you confirm that something wrong with the products we sent to you, please send them back, we will replace a new batch for you. It is reasonable for both sides, we believe that all the people will think it is reasonable Solutions."

4)" Dear Ronnie, Thank you for your e-mail! Yes, we have kept all samples for all batches in our QA. Please kindly inform us which batch number you think different from previous, then we could check from our side. Thank you for your time and kind help!

Regards,

Yours Sincerely,

Nancy

29/08/20



Thank you for your time!



Regards,

Nancy

28/08/2012

[Sgt. Hartman]

^^^^That's strange because I've asked Nancy several times now if they have the 16iu vials which I wanted to order, or if they had the 4iu or 6iu vials that I was gonna order for a buddy. Every time I've asked her, for the past year + she's said the only thing they currently have available is the 10iu vials........so far all my 10 iu vials have been legit although I just started a new batch so we'll see.

[Razor]

First of all I want to say I appreciate you coming over here registering on this board and taking the time to give us both your experience and opinion of ansomone, etc. I understand where you are coming from but I also want you to know where marcus and many of the rest of us are coming from but first I have a very important question for you- "Do you believe that the generics from china like riptropin that cause more water bloat that legit pharm grade is because it's they are not purified as much to make it more cost effective? "

Now I will explain why there is so much drama on the rise concerning Ansomone. Last year marcus praised them because some of his friends started getting results using ansomone. I was one of those guys! I ran some before my show last year and it was so strong I could tell the difference if I ran 4 ius verse 8 ius during my final wekes of dieting. When I bumped it up to 8ius for a couple of weeks my bodyweight remained the same yet my definition increased. But, I did not have enough money to run 8ius the whole time and when I bumped it down to 4ius daily I began to lose more weihgt along with muscle. I won the masters division last year by the way using ansomone. I've been a personal trainer for 28 years and I know the difference between good products , watered down products, and fake products. I know my body very well. What I used dieting down for the show was top notch. I compare it to pharm grade serostim I got from a U.S. doctor/friend/bodybuilder back in the 90's.

My second experience came with ansomone earlier this year. I used 4ius of ansomone per day for 4 months beginning 2 months after having had a 4-level spinal fusion on my lower back on 12-14-11 to help ensure my bone graft mended together. Not only did my bones fuse together nicely, I looked almost contest ready 6 months post back surgery! Simply put, I could tell it was real GH.So here's two good experiences I had using ansomone.

Now for the bad experience. My wife had a 2-level foot fusion on 5-30-12 so I ordered some more Ansomone from the same source (NANCY) to ensure her bone fused together as mine did. I also ordered some extra ansomone for myself because I was looking so good I did not want to stop. I saw right then and there that real GH was addictive! Now here's what went down- I ordered 6iu vials but received both 4 iu vials and 6 iu vails for some strange reason!? However, I did receive all the ius I ordered and nancy apologized for not sending out all 6iu vials that I had wanted instead of both 4iu and 6 iu. The first box of 4iu vials was like concrete and would not mix. I contacted Nancy 5 times over a 6 week period regarding this issue and I never got a response back which was way out of character from the previous experience I had with anke bio. The GH we got was bad and what pisses me of the most was that 3 months later the bone density in my wifes foot that was fused looks very poor which should not be since GH increases bone mineral uptake, especially when taking 4 citracal calcium pills per day along with a high protein diet! Furthermore, I have been able to lift heavier with more intensity because my back has healed a great deal, diet has remained the same, but I no longer look hard as a rock and veiny but rather soft and lacking vascularity. I should be even harder and more vascular if the growth hormone was real but it is not.

Before I started the bad batch of GH my wife was taking pics of me like crazy at the sleep in we stay at 2 weeks after her surgery because I looked so good. She said I looked the best she had seen since I was contest ready last year before winning my division. But 10 weeks later we visited her doctor again and I asked her if she wanted to take more pics while staying at the same hotel in the very same room. She said I see no need because you don't look nearly as big or vascular as you did 10 weeks ago! I told her I was afraid she was going to day that because I had been noticing the same thing but was not wanting to accept that the last GH I purchased was no good.

NOTE: I have been using 4iu vials and 6iu vials..Heres the numbers on the boxes:

6iu box
20120329
201402
s20093035

4iu box
20120320
201402
s199990021

IMPORTANT NOTE: After threatening nancy I would go public I finally reiieved the following 4 emails below in quotes and am still waiting for a response. I hope they make things right because if they do not it's going to be drama central on several bodybuiding boards. I also want to make it very clear that marcus has nothing to gain by coming forth with the truth. He just received 1000ius and chances are grat it's no good as well. I relaize it was either a bad batch some of us got or they are selective scamming. If it had been a bad batch they would have handled the entire situation different from the get go IMO. Surely you can see this!?

1) "You can visit China to see how our company goes well, and our company has sold these products for around 15 years. We have won lots of adwards issued by China Government. And any people can purchase all sizes of our products in almost all hospitals in China with different batches. Why we sell FAKE to the people to destroy our good reputation? If you insisted that we sold FAKE products to you, why you ask us to offer you more?
Anyway, if you are so eager to get, we can offer you some FREE. But be informed that we only offer real products!"

2) "Yes, our 10 IU is marked with "grey top with flip off", but it DOES NOT mean that all vials with grey top with flip off are from us! FAKE products can with same color top with same word of flip off."

3) "All of our ANSOMONE/HGH are manufactured in the same production line in our GMP plant for many years. There is no reason for us to offer you FAKE products if you bought products directly from us. As our ANSOMONE/HGH has very good reputation for many years, that is reason why so lots of FAKE ANSOMONE and FAKE AnkeBio people on internet now. The inner and outer packing of these FAKE are very similar to our real products. Once again, if you confirm that something wrong with the products we sent to you, please send them back, we will replace a new batch for you. It is reasonable for both sides, we believe that all the people will think it is reasonable Solutions."

4)" Dear Ronnie, Thank you for your e-mail! Yes, we have kept all samples for all batches in our QA. Please kindly inform us which batch number you think different from previous, then we could check from our side. Thank you for your time and kind help!

Regards,

Yours Sincerely,

Nancy

29/08/20



Thank you for your time!



Regards,

Nancy

28/08/2012

My hat is off to you, you are the man

[marcus300]

I was going to comment but looks like Ronnie said it all.

[Sheven]

They don't sell GH via their web site or even email to any country where GH is illegal or customs is an issue. That's how GenSci got busted and lost their license and it seems AnkeBio has learned their lesson from that.

Anybody who orders Ansomone directly to US or Australia or other countries where it's illegal is for sure ordering a fake/counterfeit product.

Its illegal everywhere. They commit a felony exporting a highly controlled product out of china in the first place, without the license to do so and second of all, they cannot sell prescription medicine through email to individuals without them even presenting a prescription not to mention any import license. So yeah, they didn't learn anything, they have the same businessmodel as GenSci, highly illegal but they don't push their luck with USA, except that, they couldn't care less about the law.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I'll provide an update with the results of the new batch they send but I am pretty confident the replacement batch is going to be real. Not sure when I will receive it because no need in shipping it here when it's still hot. Correct? I want to make it clear that I am not against the chineese or any nationality for that matter. I have respect for everyone who is kind and honest. I was wronged and spoke out. Now they are caliming they are going to try and make it right. We will see what happens!?




Dear Ronnie,



1. Our Quality Control Center has tested our kept samples for two kinds of important Identification and characterization tests, HLPC and Electrophoresis. These results show that the samples are complete conforming to the Standard Reference, that means, they are qualified to CP, EP, USP standards and without any problem.



After talking with our technicians and experts, they advised me the most important explanation for the 4 IU and 6 IU you used. The products were destroyed by high heat (such as direct sunlight, beside of heat Engine) or other silimars betwen shipping out from us to arriving you via UK especially in summer. Because HGH is a kind of bio-products with high bio-activity, which is Sensitive to high heat and similars, and hight heat will make it drop or lost bio-activity.



We always ship our product at room temparature and normal delivery time is around 7 - 10 days. It is OK for many years.

But your order was shipped to UK first, then trans-shipped to USA at normal way. Though you store them at 2-8C when you receive them in USA, it does not mean it is not detroyed during these two long-distance shipping.



Hope these information is helpful! If you are still confused by that, please let me know.



2. If you would like we offer you our other batches to you. But please be sure to trans-ship them in good way and short time.



Thank you for your time!



Regards,

Yours Sincerely,

Nancy

31/08/2012

[itrain]

Hi ronnie... Yes your experience in very similar to mine constant great results however I do not know your supplier... and if all the private info you are posting is a good or bad thing for you and other who use that source as it could damage business in the future if everything does come back full circle and made good... (JUST MY HONEST OPINION)

In terms of riptropin I have never used it but have seen some top level competitors do just fine with them so I do believe they contain gh...

I was just relaying my experience and I will be still loyal to my supplier as I have no reason not to be... (another thought if someone makes good for years and has a slip up why the jump to conclusion of scam? I would first assume mistake thats only logical.)

[Far from massive]

That letter is funny when you think about it,

Imagine the cost to run verification tests on a batch of growth compared to just resending. The way I see it is, if the batch were bad, after months passing they would have many other complaints and already know its bad. So if one client for no apparent reason did have a dozen kits or so that was damaged in shipment, rather than running an unneeded costly test on a known good batch to prove it was good ( when no one would believe them anyway) when they could simply resend for pennies on the dollar and have a happy client who would no doubt have posted what standup people they were for replacing his kits, saying they may have been damaged or switched but they were making good... even though they felt their product was fine.

What a bunch of BS after months and months of no response.

PS I got these blue tops and does anyone know if its true that the blue tops are actually stolen Saizen that is rebottled.....



Joke

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi ronnie... Yes your experience in very similar to mine constant great results however I do not know your supplier... and if all the private info you are posting is a good or bad thing for you and other who use that source as it could damage business in the future if everything does come back full circle and made good... (JUST MY HONEST OPINION)

In terms of riptropin I have never used it but have seen some top level competitors do just fine with them so I do believe they contain gh...

I was just relaying my experience and I will be still loyal to my supplier as I have no reason not to be... (another thought if someone makes good for years and has a slip up why the jump to conclusion of scam? I would first assume mistake thats only logical.)

I think it's very important itrain for you to understand I did not jump to conclusions up front. The reason for my conclusion was months and months of no response like Far from massive stated then no results. Why did they ignore me? I don't think you have a good answer for that one nor do they. I will gladly copy/paste the e-mails I sent to them in the past in which I was totally ignored if need be. marcus will back me up on this because I sent him a pm telling him the Gh would not mix and I was being ignored.

It was also brought to my attention that you are a sales rep for both ansomone and jintropin over at professional muscle so I understand your need to defend them. Honestly, I hate this has happened but it did. How would you have handled the situation differently?

Regarding Riptropin, they publicly stated they are by passing a purifying process which could be a major health concern. Please explain what step Riptropin is by- passing that causes their products to make one hold more water and have more side effects than legit pharm grade GH. Even UG labs should have rules, regulations, and guidelines to follow!

NOTE: Anything can be copied. Look at all the fake Passports, I.D., money, Purses, etc. They are professionals at what they do and I know it, they know it, and I'm sure you know it. And why would they be shipping GH in the summer knowing that the heat will destroy it and their reputation. Therefore, I assume they and all other GH suppliers will discontinue shipping GH during the summer months. Correct? Because no one would be ordering GH in the summer with that being the case because it's just throwing $ away! Why order in the first place if you know upfront the heat is going to destroy it? I appreciate your input.

[DanB]

Ronnie, what your opinion on some of the outrageous serus results for rips, I have seen (sure you have too) serum results 4x's and even higher then legit pharm, same 10 i.u protocols etc

my opinion is they actually putting far more then 10i.u in the vials to build up a customer base, then when they just go bunk and let the $$$$ roll in before everybody is put wide to the scam

Am I miles off the mark?

Any insight?

[Razor]

Ronnie, what your opinion on some of the outrageous serus results for rips, I have seen (sure you have too) serum results 4x's and even higher then legit pharm, same 10 i.u protocols etc

my opinion is they actually putting far more then 10i.u in the vials to build up a customer base, then when they just go bunk and let the $$$$ roll in before everybody is put wide to the scam

Am I miles off the mark?

Any insight?

I have heard about good reviews for the rips as well going on right now. I guess some lab is putting out good ones. My buddy swears by them..and IM hearing good things. From multiple people that are getting good results and they are cheap too. Cheaper than anki as well..im thinking about stocking up quickly on this rush before its too late.

[marcus300]

All these amazing results and higher than normal gh serum tests being shouted about in source boards are total bullshit, think about it. Source boards are full of false member accounts and fake lab reports trust me this is true. Why on earth would anyone believe anything what's pumped all over source boards in beyond me. Everything is set up to promote sponsors and to get as much money as possible from the real members. Trust me I know this for fact!

[Sheven]

Guys regarding Riptropin stop for a second. This whole thing about not purifying enough causing higher water retention is based on which scientific fact? I had pharm grade GH that caused me water retention (not huge) but as i know is totally related to diet and other personal hormonal balances. It would be very interesting to know what is the background on the "not purifying enough = water retention" thing.

[Razor]

Guys regarding Riptropin stop for a second. This whole thing about not purifying enough causing higher water retention is based on which scientific fact? I had pharm grade GH that caused me water retention (not huge) but as i know is totally related to diet and other personal hormonal balances. It would be very interesting to know what is the background on the "not purifying enough = water retention" thing.

All the pharma grade i run, serostim's, nova disk, nurtropin all cause minor water retention as well. benefits far outweigh that right

[Ronnie Rowland]

I have heard about good reviews for the rips as well going on right now. I guess some lab is putting out good ones. My buddy swears by them..and IM hearing good things. From multiple people that are getting good results and they are cheap too. Cheaper than anki as well..im thinking about stocking up quickly on this rush before its too late.

Razor I know you want to get some legit GH. You are not alone. Everyone is looking for the same thing. I have a few things I want you to think about then I woud like your imput.

1) Some of my friends and I received some Riptropin that contained some real GH in them the fist time we ordered from a particular source but the second time we got bunk Riptropin from that same source and other mods on this board also got couterfeit Riptropin from that same source. This source/sponsor is still on many source boards with some people praising his products while a few say it's fake and they often get flamed for speaking out! Did you catch that?

2) Why stock up now in this heat if it's going to be destroyed during shipping anyways?


IMPORTANT NOTE: There is a huge selective scamming ring going on right now in Mexico. Go to professionalmuscle.com and look up their sponsors and you will find IMEXGEARSTORE as one of their sponsors. They have been allowed to remain so far even with all the lies and scamming. IMEXGEARSTORE is pushing OMEGA LABS products. Please click on the link I provided below and read through the entire thread carefully and I think you will see a pattern. It will help you see what marcus is saying regarding real board members being scammed for money because source boards are allowing false member accounts and fake lab test to exist inorder to promote their sponsors for $. Please read carefully and I think its' going to sink in- http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...005-Omega-labs

[DanB]

I have heard about good reviews for the rips as well going on right now. I guess some lab is putting out good ones. My buddy swears by them..and IM hearing good things. From multiple people that are getting good results and they are cheap too. Cheaper than anki as well..im thinking about stocking up quickly on this rush before its too late.

your name isnt ronnie, and have you learned nothing about generic gh yet?

All these amazing results and higher than normal gh serum tests being shouted about in source boards are total bullshit, think about it. Source boards are full of false member accounts and fake lab reports trust me this is true. Why on earth would anyone believe anything what's pumped all over source boards in beyond me. Everything is set up to promote sponsors and to get as much money as possible from the real members. Trust me I know this for fact!

yes im aware of the politics on source boards, the different batches given to vets etc, would you say they simply fake serum results or is my theory plausable of they doubling up the dose in the vial to give a genuine serum, build a customer base then scam, same as kigs last year, they had I legit batch if I remember correctly, then all bunk once they built up their base and made millions, still making millions

either way I wouldnt use them, there is several legit pharm available so it is all I have and will ever use

[Razor]

your name isnt ronnie, and have you learned nothing about generic gh yet?


either way I wouldnt use them, there is several legit pharm available so it is all I have and will ever use

Did i say i took any? Yea I never have taken any generic or bunk gh.

[Razor]

Razor I know you want to get some legit GH. You are not alone. Everyone is looking for the same thing. I have a few things I want you to think about then I woud like your imput.

1) Some of my friends and I received some Riptropin that contained some real GH in them the fist time we ordered from a particular source but the second time we got bunk Riptropin from that same source and other mods on this board also got couterfeit Riptropin from that same source. This source/sponsor is still on many source boards with some people praising his products while a few say it's fake and they often get flamed for speaking out! Did you catch that?

2) Why stock up now in this heat if it's going to be destroyed during shipping anyways?

IMPORTANT NOTE: There is a huge selective scamming ring going on right now in Mexico. Go to professionalmuscle.com and look up their sponsors and you will find IMEXGEARSTORE as one of their sponsors. They have been allowed to remain so far even with all the lies and scamming. IMEXGEARSTORE is pushing OMEGA LABS products. Please click on the link I provided below and read through the entire thread carefully and I think you will see a pattern. It will help you see what marcus is saying regarding real board members being scammed for money because source boards are allowing false member accounts and fake lab test to exist inorder to promote their sponsors for $. Please read carefully and I think its' going to sink in- http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...005-Omega-labs

All good points..so the summer heat is killing the black market gh industry?

[Ronnie Rowland]

All the pharma grade i run, serostim's, nova disk, nurtropin all cause minor water retention as well. benefits far outweigh that right

True but here's the current problem:


Dollars and Fraud


The high price tag and potential off-label and illegal uses of hGH appear to be strong incentives for criminal activity by corporations and individuals alike. Genentech illegally promoted off-label use of hGH in the first decade after it was approved. The FDA sued, and in 1994 the company agreed to pay a $50 million fine for the violations.

In late 2001 Phoenix, Arizona, witnessed a complex web of false drug orders, a bungled hijacking, theft, arson, insurance fraud, and murder over a shipment of hGH. A wholesale value of about $1 million and a street value three times that amount set these events in motion.

Counterfeiting of hGH is a growing problem. Like sidewalk vendors selling $20 Rolex watches, Internet sites offer cut-rate growth hormone prices that often are too good to be believed -- and should not be. But counterfeit drugs can also enter the regular distribution chain, complete with knock-off packaging and bogus manufacturing lot numbers. In January and May 2001, and again in May 2002, Serono and the FDA warned about circulation of counterfeit Serostim distinguishable only by small variations in lot number and package design. Some of the counterfeits have little or none of the claimed active ingredient and they may contain dangerous impurities.

Serono -- though apparently no other manufacturer of hGH -- considers the problem so significant that it established the Serostim Secured Distribution Program. As of November 1, 2002, the distribution network has been restricted, and every single dose of Serostim has a number and is tracked directly to the patient. This helps to assure the quality of the drug. It also minimizes the likelihood of drugs being diverted and reduces the potential for reimbursement fraud.

http://www.thebodypro.com/content/art2545.html


In addition, here's a link that list fake jintropin sellers in China and Mexico. I'm sure there are many more! http://www.gensci-china.com/gensci/Fake.asp

[DanB]

Did i say i took any? Yea I never have taken any generic or bunk gh.

i told you previously not to speak to me