Chinese HGH concerns

[richieu11]

Been reading this forum for a couple years for just overall advice but figured I would sign up. I have read this whole thread, thank you all for the valuable info. I previously had some yellow top somatropin which worked out very well for me. But it wasn't from china. My buddy has moved out of state and I would like to go again with it. Basically from reading this thread, there is nowhere to trust online and don't buy it online? Just trying to figure out if there are any options online that are the real deal as its not happening anymore locally for me.

[gixxerboy1]

Been reading this forum for a couple years for just overall advice but figured I would sign up. I have read this whole thread, thank you all for the valuable info. I previously had some yellow top somatropin which worked out very well for me. But it wasn't from china. My buddy has moved out of state and I would like to go again with it. Basically from reading this thread, there is nowhere to trust online and don't buy it online? Just trying to figure out if there are any options online that are the real deal as its not happening anymore locally for me.

there is no fishing for sources.
And yes yours were from china. You may have not gotten them from there but thats were the original purchaser got them

[Ronnie Rowland]

All good points..so the summer heat is killing the black market gh industry?

I never said that. What I am saying is that all GH suppliers are still selling GH as usual in the heat of summer. If it's true that the heat is degrading the GH then all GH suppliers shoud be honest and tell customers upfront that GH will be destroyed if mailed in the heat and that they will only send it out in the cooler months of the year.

[gixxerboy1]

I never said that. What I am saying is that all GH suppliers are still selling GH as usual in the heat of summer. If it's true that the heat is degrading the GH then all GH suppliers shoud be honest and tell customers upfront that GH will be destroyed if mailed in the heat and that they will only send it out in the cooler months of the year.

when i used to get my jins when they were shipping to the us. They would ship them in ice packs. I never had any issue with them

[Ronnie Rowland]

when i used to get my jins when they were shipping to the us. They would ship them in ice packs. I never had any issue with them

That would make sense if in fact the heat does destroy GH. Maybe there's something to this since they use to ship with ice packs. Now it's all about making money! The Ansomone GH I got that worked was shipped in the cooler months. That being said, if heat destroys it, then Ansomone and other suppliers know better than to distribute without ice packs. It's the same as sending out a fake product because once you get it the potency is gone. They are responsible for proper manufacturing and shipping methods, not the customer. Thanks for bringing this point up!

[itrain]

It was also brought to my attention that you are a sales rep for both ansomone and jintropin over at professional muscle so I understand your need to defend them. Honestly, I hate this has happened but it did

I am no longer a rep as the company I was representing has went back private....

My opinion still stands and I am not anti generic gh... and I do believe there are some good generics I just stick to what has proven results for me.. BOTTOM LINE IS YOUR SUPPLIER...

Great point on the ice packs and summer months I think well educated individuals have realized this and should not even be mentioned

[Sheven]

I am no longer a rep as the company I was representing has went back private....

My opinion still stands and I am not anti generic gh... and I do believe there are some good generics I just stick to what has proven results for me.. BOTTOM LINE IS YOUR SUPPLIER...

Great point on the ice packs and summer months I think well educated individuals have realized this and should not even be mentioned

Ice packs in shipments from China? You mean those packs that turn water after 1 day leaving you with hundred maybe liters of liquids in a air shipped parcel?

yeah, great way to get your parcel busted.

[gixxerboy1]

Ice packs in shipments from China? You mean those packs that turn water after 1 day leaving you with hundred maybe liters of liquids in a air shipped parcel?

yeah, great way to get your parcel busted.

mine were wrapped in plastic. the gh and the ice packs then had insulation wrap and Styrofoam in there for insulation. that was straight from jin.

[Sheven]

mine were wrapped in plastic. the gh and the ice packs then had insulation wrap and Styrofoam in there for insulation. that was straight from jin.

how many years ago ?

[gixxerboy1]

how many years ago ?

years ago. before gensci got busted.

[Sheven]

years ago. before gensci got busted.

Yeah...that's my point. You won't do it now...so no is not workable.

[gixxerboy1]

Yeah...that's my point. You won't do it now...so no is not workable.

why wouldnt you? i never had a pack caught by customs. You think shipping like that is what lead gensci getting in trouble?

[Razor]

That would make sense if in fact the heat does destroy GH. Maybe there's something to this since they use to ship with ice packs. Now it's all about making money! The Ansomone GH I got that worked was shipped in the cooler months. That being said, if heat destroys it, then Ansomone and other suppliers know better than to distribute without ice packs. It's the same as sending out a fake product because once you get it the potency is gone. They are responsible for proper manufacturing and shipping methods, not the customer. Thanks for bringing this point up!

If anki was selling legit.then should this heat issue also effect them as well and make them go bad?

[ChuckEisenmench]

years ago. before gensci got busted.

I did order Gensci Jins online and it was before they got the govt on their ass. I just got the box and vials w/o BW. This was before I had heard of fake Jins being sold. I had gotten steriods from the same source and the stuff (Dianabol) was good. I had been working out for a few years and reached a plateau on the bench(280#). After some online deca and the dbol I was doing 395# after a few cycles. Didn't know anything about PCT.

I got the last GenSci online and it came with Russian writing. The vials were wrapped in Russian newspaper. The sender was from the Eukraine. Do you think it was chinese? The site also sold me test which was good.

[marcus300]

I'm not buying into the heat destroying the gh from ankie. I've brought from then for yrs and many times in the height of summer. Reading Nancys emails its obvious she knows she's been busted selling fake. Do you still trust then to buy more? I don't and I've spent thousands of $ over the yrs. They just trying to give you hope so you make further purchases just like the generics companies do.

[Razor]

I'm not buying into the heat destroying the gh from ankie. I've brought from then for yrs and many times in the height of summer. Reading Nancys emails its obvious she knows she's been busted selling fake. Do you still trust then to buy more? I don't and I've spent thousands of $ over the yrs. They just trying to give you hope so you make further purchases just like the generics companies do.

How would the heat not affect anki's but they would effect the rips I was asking Ronnie about?

[gixxerboy1]

I did order Gensci Jins online and it was before they got the govt on their ass. I just got the box and vials w/o BW. This was before I had heard of fake Jins being sold. I had gotten steriods from the same source and the stuff (Dianabol) was good. I had been working out for a few years and reached a plateau on the bench(280#). After some online deca and the dbol I was doing 395# after a few cycles. Didn't know anything about PCT.

I got the last GenSci online and it came with Russian writing. The vials were wrapped in Russian newspaper. The sender was from the Eukraine. Do you think it was chinese? The site also sold me test which was good.

yes it was chinese. Gensci was a chinese company so thats where your source got them, if they were legit. And unless you bought a 200iu kit it should have come with water. All the 100iu kits came with amps of water in the boxes.

mine were coming direct from gensci not a "source"

[gixxerboy1]

How would the heat not affect anki's but they would effect the rips I was asking Ronnie about?

rips are junk. it doesnt matter if they were shipped in a refrigerator plugged into a generator

[Razor]

rips are junk. it doesnt matter if they were shipped in a refrigerator plugged into a generator

Ok11

[Ronnie Rowland]

If anki was selling legit.then should this heat issue also effect them as well and make them go bad?

Like marcus stated, the whole heat causing Gh to go bad seems odd if some are receiving good GH in the summer months. It should ruin all batches if it ruined one! And like Sheven stated, the ice packs would turn to water in a day. So even if the ice packs were sealed like the old jintopin's gixxerboy1 use to receive by mail, it would be useless because they would be in hot water which would also ruin them and then you have the risk of them leaking. Therefore, all GH, whether it be generic or pharm grade would be destoyed when shipped in the heat if in fact the heat really could ruin it.

[gixxerboy1]

Ronnie, just to clarify it wasnt actual ice. It was those cold packs that go in a freezer. But i agree it would only keep them cold so long

[Razor]

Like marcus stated, the whole heat causing Gh to go bad seems odd if some are receiving good GH in the summer months. It should ruin all batches if it ruined one! And like Sheven stated, the ice packs would turn to water in a day. So even if the ice packs were sealed like the old jintopin's gixxerboy1 use to receive by mail, it would be useless because they would be in hot water which would also ruin them and then you have the risk of them leaking. Therefore, all GH, whether it be generic or pharm grade would be destoyed when shipped in the heat if in fact the heat really could ruin it.

Well never buying gh in the summer again..thx man

[Sgt. Hartman]

Come on guys really?

Do you actually believe that all of a sudden there's a problem with only one company's Gh degrading before it's reconstituted during shipment of summer months?

Unless it sits in the cargo compartment of a plane or a warehouse at well over 100F for an extended period of time it shouldn't be an issue at all.

I know for a fact I've received several Gh shipments that were shipped during summer months that were not packed on ice that were 100% legit real Gh and i can post up bloodwork to prove it. Elevated GH serum and IGF to me are pretty conclusive.

Sorry, but I'm calling bs on this much gh from only this one manufacturer all being bunk and the only brand that degrades during shipment when most others are shipped the exact same way.....

And the only thing that could keep a Gh shipment even remotely cold during shipment would be dry ice, as everybody else already said any kind of ice pack or whatever would melt long before an international shipment could be delivered.

[swithuk]

I'm not buying into the heat destroying the gh from ankie. I've brought from then for yrs and many times in the height of summer. Reading Nancys emails its obvious she knows she's been busted selling fake. Do you still trust then to buy more? I don't and I've spent thousands of $ over the yrs. They just trying to give you hope so you make further purchases just like the generics companies do.

if you feel sure nancys at fault .... then is it worthwhile trying to bypass her and contact another rep at the company ? in the hope that not all their reps are selling snides , as my options are limited

[marcus300]

if you feel sure nancys at fault .... then is it worthwhile trying to bypass her and contact another rep at the company ? in the hope that not all their reps are selling snides , as my options are limited

Ankie are selling fakes, they are selectively scamming why would I risk my money again. I've done this before with generic were I try and convince myself I can get pharm gh at a fraction of the cost. I won't be buying anything from ankie again they have turned bad. Have you read the emails from her to Ronnie they are laughable and without doubt you can tell she knew all about this, the heat destroying it is bullshit, they just tested the same batch is bullshit.

It's over find a new source but be very careful......

[baseline_9]

Ankie are selling fakes, they are selectively scamming why would I risk my money again. I've done this before with generic were I try and convince myself I can get pharm gh at a fraction of the cost. I won't be buying anything from ankie again they have turned bad. Have you read the emails from her to Ronnie they are laughable and without doubt you can tell she knew all about this, the heat destroying it is bullshit, they just tested the same batch is bullshit.

It's over find a new source but be very careful......

I was under the impression that ansomone was the last chance of good cheap GH.... Full stop!

[swithuk]

Ankie are selling fakes, they are selectively scamming why would I risk my money again. I've done this before with generic were I try and convince myself I can get pharm gh at a fraction of the cost. I won't be buying anything from ankie again they have turned bad. Have you read the emails from her to Ronnie they are laughable and without doubt you can tell she knew all about this, the heat destroying it is bullshit, they just tested the same batch is bullshit.

It's over find a new source but be very careful......

ok understood . yes i do feel as though iam trying to convince myself / remain hopeful .
i will look into new source however i had done that and had settled with ankebio .......

[EasyDoesIt]

Ankie are selling fakes, they are selectively scamming why would I risk my money again. I've done this before with generic were I try and convince myself I can get pharm gh at a fraction of the cost. I won't be buying anything from ankie again they have turned bad. Have you read the emails from her to Ronnie they are laughable and without doubt you can tell she knew all about this, the heat destroying it is bullshit, they just tested the same batch is bullshit.

It's over find a new source but be very careful......

Agreed! They were pressured by you and whoever else pressed the issue. I'm sure they have been reading all of this. Heat problem a convenient answer. It takes away any
Manufacturing flaws away from them, blame it on the heat. It's a weak answer and in there eyes the best one they can come up with.

[richieu11]

there is no fishing for sources.
And yes yours were from china. You may have not gotten them from there but thats were the original purchaser got them

not fishing for sources. I have a couple places that I would like to check though. Is there anyone I can email or pm about this? If they have dealed with these places before and if it seems to be legit?

[Sheven]

Truth be told Anke knows you ain't gonna analyze the product anyway...

If you want to analyze your GH costs 700 Eur / batch and it will tell you absolutely all details regarding (peptide fingerprint, n-terminus,c-terminus,maldi-ds,sds-page,dimmer,peptide coverage). anyone interested let me know and i will be more than happy to forward you to the guy in Munich science cluster that can analyze that.

[gixxerboy1]

not fishing for sources. I have a couple places that I would like to check though. Is there anyone I can email or pm about this? If they have dealed with these places before and if it seems to be legit?

you cant be pm till you have been here 30 days and have 50 post.

[richieu11]

you cant be pm till you have been here 30 days and have 50 post.

lol...so I guess its time to post away eh?

[richieu11]

still doesnt answer my questions though.

just trying to make the right choice ya know?

[gixxerboy1]

what questions of your arent answered?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Well never buying gh in the summer again..thx man

Queefer over at profesisonal muscle recently tested ansomone and is had no GH at all in it at all as I stated in a prior post. After that he tested hyges and it was real GH. I also have used real hyges once in the past with good results. Point being, if the heat was what made his ansomone go bad it should have also have made his hyges go bad as well. I am not convinced heat has anything to do with it because my wife use to work at a pharmaceutical plant. She feels that once the GH powder is properly sealed, the heat during travel should not hurt it unless it was left out directly in the sun. If so, then why are we just being notified of this? Hopefully nancy will stand by their products and make things right with us as they have offered. Not a lot more I can say. I just want what's best for everyone. Here's a couple of links below everyone should read if it's not already been posted in the past- BY RONNY TOBER 2005

This is an article he wrote for a bodybuilding magazine in 2005. The information is therefore a bit outdated but it contains useful information and information about this subject can be found in these articles. Human growth hormone (somatropin) is widely used outside of normal medical situations. For example, in bodybuilding it is taken to increase muscle mass and decrease body fat. Being so far removed from the hands of legitimate pharmaceutical distributors, doctors, and pharmacists, preparations of doubtful origin and low quality frequently find their way to the (black) market.

In the last few years,counterfeited, contaminated, and very poor quality somatropin have been located and analysed, both in the European Union and in the United States. There were many counterfeited preparations found, some of which instead of the expected recombinant growth hormone rhGH, contained the pregnancy hormone HCG. Other illegally prepared preparations contained growth hormone from human cadavers (pituitary glands), veterinary somatropin variants, vitamins, insulin,etc. Looking at the more than 50 proven cases of the transmission of the Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease by contaminated growth hormone preparations, mainly during the 1980’s [1-4],we feel people should be urgently warned before using questionable growth hormone preparations [5-9]. These article below take a close look at the various manufacturing techniques used to make growth hormone drugs, placing a strong emphasis on how to identify quality preparations from those of a more questionable nature.

http://juicedmuscle.net/category/real-fake

http://juicedmuscle.net/content/growth-hormone-part-2

[DanB]

I have ecieved more kits recently and they g2g, I think its a little far to say they selling fakes, to some people yes it is possible

But to everybody, no they are not

[BigBadWolf]

I have ecieved more kits recently and they g2g, I think its a little far to say they selling fakes, to some people yes it is possible

But to everybody, no they are not

Well if they are selective scamming it will just be a matter of time before you get fuc-ked.

[DanB]

Well if they are selective scamming it will just be a matter of time before you get fuc-ked.

I doubt it, they a business and it all about the $$$$$, they make more from me by selling legit then scamming me and losing my custom

[BigBadWolf]

I doubt it, they a business and it all about the $$$$$, they make more from me by selling legit then scamming me and losing my custom

I hope your right.

[marcus300]

I hope your right.

I can categorically state that Ankie are selling fakes/copies. Now you can all try and convince yourself you have real gh from them but the kits they are currently selling to the public are fake/copies without doubt.

Ive tried convincing myself I have real gh yrs ago with generics but I wont be spending and wasting anymore money with Ankie. If your happy with them then by all means you carry on but I know they are selling fakes and so does Ronnie.

Ive also had another complaint this week about them which isn't good and the ones what Ive recently started are not gh its something else, I will update once Ive been using them for a bit longer but I just know they are not gh.

I can also say the copies pf anansome what some Chinese company are selling are coming from Ankie, the boxes are exactly the same and the money gets transfered to the same area and bank. I am afraid to say that they have gone back to scamming the public. Just read into the emails Nancy replies to Ronnie with its obvious she knows and she knows she's been caught, wouldn't surprise me if she goes missing and a new contact appears for the sales to the public.