Chinese HGH concerns

[thisAngelBites]

Thanks, those bits of info might make it easier to find.

[MedicineMan7]

ImpeccableChaos recently had a blood serum level done and did 8IU SQ 3 hours pre draw. Results were 13.8. What are the thoughts out there re:

••• How many IUs should one pin prior to the blood draw to best solidify the "INTENT" of doing this test?

My definition of "intent" is to try to verify if ones hgh is real!!

••• How many hours prior to such draw should one pin this quantity of hgh?

••• I know that ImpeccableChaos went to Labcorps, but is this test from Quest the same test??
Growth Hormone - Code 83003
Link that describes this test -
I had to erase this link as the spam software won't let me post it. What bull shit!
Please go to Quest's web site and punch in this code to see if it is the same test. Thanks!


"If" the above copy and paste worked, a reference range chart will appear. It states that an adult's range for test code 83003 is less than or equal to 10.0 ng/mL.
••• So, if I were to pin only say around 2 or 3 IU prior to this test, am I likely to get a result of less than 10?

••• Is the reason to pin say 6IU or so prior to test, so that ones results will be "higher" than 10, supposedly verifying that it is real hgh?

••• Should the results be somewhat a ratio of 1:2?
What I mean is, if I pin 6 IU just prior to test, should my results (if real) be 12, twice the amount?
If I pin 8 IU just prior to test, should my results (if real) be 16, twice the amount?

[MedicineMan7]

•••Re test IGF1 Binding Protein 3, from Quest, Code 34458, does any one know how to interpret the results?

Questdiagnostics.com describes this test.

Just had it done and I got 5.6 with a range of 3.4 to 6.9 mg/L. I am taking 2 IU Hypertropin 7 days a week.

[MedicineMan7]

Yes, I fasted. Took draw at 9 am without breakfast. Drank water though.

[MedicineMan7]

Great post. Did you fast when doing BW?

Yes, I fasted. Took draw at 9 am without breakfast. Drank water though.

[AnabolicDoc]

oooRe test IGF1 Binding Protein 3, from Quest, Code 34458, does any one know how to interpret the results?

Questdiagnostics.com describes this test.

Just had it done and I got 5.6 with a range of 3.4 to 6.9 mg/L. I am taking 2 IU Hypertropin 7 days a week.

It seems like you have a normal within range result RE IGF1-BP3.

Regarding how to verify your HGH, I've seen posts here and elsewhere that claim that a GC/MS test exists to directly examine your HGH quality/purity? I don't know if this is true or even possible. I posted one method that i think should be accurate. Just do a search for HGH Dose Response Curve posted by me and you should get it.

[MedicineMan7]

Please be sure to post your results.... What brand were you using again?

My IGF1 level tested to be 320 with a range of 50 - 317 at Quest

Taking Hypertropin, 2 IU daily

[marcus300]

If you read the whole thread you will see that it isn't that simple has getting blood work done. .They put on igf and other peptides to knock bw results out
Don't trust Chinese generics

[MedicineMan7]

It seems like you have a normal within range result RE IGF1-BP3.

Regarding how to verify your HGH, I've seen posts here and elsewhere that claim that a GC/MS test exists to directly examine your HGH quality/purity? I don't know if this is true or even possible. I posted one method that i think should be accurate. Just do a search for HGH Dose Response Curve posted by me and you should get it.

When you say to do a serch for HGH Dose Response Curve are you suggesting to google it or to find one of your older posts on here?

What happens if one clicks on the "Blog this Post" ???

[AnabolicDoc]

When you say to do a serch for HGH Dose Response Curve are you suggesting to google it or to find one of your older posts on here?

What happens if one clicks on the "Blog this Post" ???

Look for it on the search engine here.

I have no idea about that function.

[ImpeccableChaos]

If you read the whole thread you will see that it isn't that simple has getting blood work done. .They put on igf and other peptides to knock bw results out
Don't trust Chinese generics

I understand, but how can the Chinese fool the hgh blood serum test? If I pin 10ius and an igf-1 test after a few weeks of use shouldn't that confirm? Assuming the blood serum test returns about double the dose taken three hours later.

[ImpeccableChaos]

Looks like you are pretty close to my age, i noticed my skin looking better in the 3 to 4 weeks time and healthier hair. I think results will vary for each individual. I had stopped hGh for quite some time due to my bad experience with generics from China, so when i was able to obtain Pharm grade and started back up the skin and hair for me were the first to show up. I feel the hgh is long term and you continually notice hardness and density. People that see my photos now and 20 years ago, say wow you look more cut up then you did back then, back then i trained harder also. There is another method of injecting 3 days on and 1 off and i tried it for awhile, but no real difference for me. also, it is easier to remember 5 on and 2 off. When the dosage is 2ius the effects are not so dramatic as 4 or 5 iu's of pharm. I have stated before that i notice body fat reduction pretty quick when kicking it to 3iu's. Generally people that train real hard are somewhat fanatical, but my first Martial arts instructor said that you have to be fanatical to be good. Mediocrity just does not take you to the next level. Problem with that mentality is, it can get you in trouble if you get obsessive with HGH and other supplements.
I have to look at longevity and affordability. I really would love to do 6ius a day along with a very hard training regimen for at least 4 months, but it isn't affordable to me. It's one of those, "Boy i would just like to see what i can produce with that." LOL! Ten years ago if someone would have told me i would be taking testosterone and HGH i would have said no way, but being vein and hanging on to youth changed my thoughts. I also realized after starting on supplements, made me realize that most of the people i knew using were not very educated as to what they were doing. I started doing more research and this site has been a great source of information for me. IMO "This site is an Educational Reference"
I believe moderation is key to longevity. I am glad that i did not start at a young age as that fanatical personality may have put me in trouble. I may have went off track their, but since we are both around the same age i thought i would throw my 2 cents in.

Thank You so much! I had to chuckle about what you said about 10 years ago. I would have laughed if anyone said I would be using Testosterone and HGH also and your comment about vanity, well let me just say I understand. lol The reason I started using Test was because of lifestyle decisions when I was younger. I was a very heavy drinker and destroyed my ability to produce natural test so I am fortunate to get mine from my primary care doc. I have been sober for 11 years TODAY! Thank goodness, and I take much better care of myself now. So I know my Testosterone is good so now just to make sure the hgh I get is also. You mentioned that I would really see a difference with a little bigger dose and I may try it but as I mentioned earlier the swelling in my fingers is some what painful, I was hoping it would go away but not yet after 6-7 weeks. So I am going to retest soon and add the IGF-1 and see what I get. It's not that expensive here in the states. cheers

[marcus300]

I understand, but how can the Chinese fool the hgh blood serum test? If I pin 10ius and an igf-1 test after a few weeks of use shouldn't that confirm? Assuming the blood serum test returns about double the dose taken three hours later.

They can by putting igf and other peptides in to fool the test, they also have other chemicals which I am sure we have no idea about. Read the whole thread its here for a reason there is massive concerns over Chinese generics - stay well clear and stick with pharm grade hgh......

You'll see throughout this thread that the hgh blood serum test/igf blood test are not 100% accurate when dealing with the generics - the only test you need to be doing is testing if the hormone is active and you can't do that so take all this hassle and stress away and stop wasting money on generics and go with pharm grade, that's my advice....

Please read the whole thread, you will everything evolve into The Chinese cant be trusted

[ImpeccableChaos]

Thanks Marcus, But whatb the hell do I do with 400ius of h y g e 's. I have used them for 6 weeks now and my test did show elevated hgh? If an igf-1 test came back in the 400's would you still be convinced they were bunk? And please don't take offense marcus I am just so disappointed that this would be the case. And can you tell me about how much it would cost to run pharm grade for 5 days a week, approximate? I paid about $2 an iu for my generic.

[swithuk]

Thanks Marcus, But whatb the hell do I do with 400ius of h y g e 's. I have used them for 6 weeks now and my test did show elevated hgh? If an igf-1 test came back in the 400's would you still be convinced they were bunk? And please don't take offense marcus I am just so disappointed that this would be the case. And can you tell me about how much it would cost to run pharm grade for 5 days a week, approximate? I paid about $2 an iu for my generic.

Everyone made this mistake and gone through this process

[EasyDoesIt]

Thanks Marcus, But whatb the hell do I do with 400ius of h y g e 's. I have used them for 6 weeks now and my test did show elevated hgh? If an igf-1 test came back in the 400's would you still be convinced they were bunk? And please don't take offense marcus I am just so disappointed that this would be the case. And can you tell me about how much it would cost to run pharm grade for 5 days a week, approximate? I paid about $2 an iu for my generic.

Everyone made this mistake and gone through this process

Yup! I agree with swithuk, i think many end up here due to suspicions about what they are taking. @ImpeccableChaos: You could look at the positive side of taking a hit financially, 1.) You found out before you ended up with something that caused some damage to your system and 2.) You found out before you spent a lot more. Sometimes you have to cut your losses and move on. Some just do not want to face that fact and would rather keep seeking validation in what they are using. i can't remember if it was you or not, but i remember seeing 2.00 per iu and that is just not possible. If you factor in how many hands had to be greased before it ended up in your hands, even if it were only one or two hands, you are looking at an unrealistic price for HGH. I do not want to even count or dwell on my losses.

[marcus300]

Thanks Marcus, But whatb the hell do I do with 400ius of h y g e 's. I have used them for 6 weeks now and my test did show elevated hgh? If an igf-1 test came back in the 400's would you still be convinced they were bunk? And please don't take offense marcus I am just so disappointed that this would be the case. And can you tell me about how much it would cost to run pharm grade for 5 days a week, approximate? I paid about $2 an iu for my generic.

Read the thread and it will show you what wee are all telling you, generics are crap, stay away your being ripped off

Everyone made this mistake and gone through this process

agreed

Yup! I agree with swithuk, i think many end up here due to suspicions about what they are taking. @ImpeccableChaos: You could look at the positive side of taking a hit financially, 1.) You found out before you ended up with something that caused some damage to your system and 2.) You found out before you spent a lot more. Sometimes you have to cut your losses and move on. Some just do not want to face that fact and would rather keep seeking validation in what they are using. i can't remember if it was you or not, but i remember seeing 2.00 per iu and that is just not possible. If you factor in how many hands had to be greased before it ended up in your hands, even if it were only one or two hands, you are looking at an unrealistic price for HGH. I do not want to even count or dwell on my losses.

correct

[Flier]

How long after starting HGH can a bloodtest be performed to show accurate levels?

[ImpeccableChaos]

So you guys are TOTALLY convinced this favorably looked upon generic is worthless, and more importantly dangerous? Even if I get a blood serum level of twice the dosage taken and a IGF level of around 400?
I didn't think it was a 100 post for source check when I registered. Did it change?

[ImpeccableChaos]

And I am sorry to beat a dead horse but why doesn't an elevated igf result show bioavailability? especialy if it is in the 400's

[ImpeccableChaos]

How long after starting HGH can a bloodtest be performed to show accurate levels?

I was under the impression it was between 3-4 hrs. for blood serum. and three weeks at least for IGF.

[Flier]

I was under the impression it was between 3-4 hrs. for blood serum. and three weeks at least for IGF.

Well...two weeks into my New Hyge 10iu vials, pinning 5iu ED my levels are:
GH..0.3 (<11.5)
IGF1..23.8 (11.40)

Looks like I got fvcked!
Before this I pinned pharm grade for 6 months.....which also was fake (It appears I pinned Insuline). So Pharm grade is only good if we pick it up at the pharmacy ourselves...unless the pharmacy is fvcking us too.
I am even one of the lucky ones with a script. But how lucky am I when 1iu is $30 at the counter??
Is the conclusion to just lay off trying to obtain until HGH becomes more readily available?

[marcus300]

And I am sorry to beat a dead horse but why doesn't an elevated igf result show bioavailability? especialy if it is in the 400's

Read the whole thread,
they put al sorts of chemicals inside them to throw out BW, igf and other peptides and also in many cases anti-diuretics which is very dangerous.

don't buy generics from China, the only ones any good are jins at the moment or I should say Russain Jins

[ImpeccableChaos]

Well...two weeks into my New Hyge 10iu vials, pinning 5iu ED my levels are:
GH..0.3 (<11.5)
IGF1..23.8 (11.40)

Looks like I got fvcked!
Before this I pinned pharm grade for 6 months.....which also was fake (It appears I pinned Insuline). So Pharm grade is only good if we pick it up at the pharmacy ourselves...unless the pharmacy is fvcking us too.
I am even one of the lucky ones with a script. But how lucky am I when 1iu is $30 at the counter??
Is the conclusion to just lay off trying to obtain until HGH becomes more readily available?

What lab did you use? hgh serum level range at Labcorp is 0.0-2.9 ng/ml and mine came back at 13.8 after 8ius injected SQ three hours and 20 min. And I am not positive but IGF-1 range is 75-212 ng/ml. I haven't done a IGF test yet. Yhe vets on the board are convinced that our generics are not good but I just want to see my IGF score to settle it I guess, but these guys seem to think that even witha high score it doesn't verify that it is good hgh. My only question then is, if my hgh blood serum levels are high and my IGF-1 levels are high then isn't that what we are trying to do anyway? One last thing, when I pinned the 8ius SQ I was informed that the standard protocol is 10ius injected Intramuscular not SQ.
$30 an iu? WTF!

[ImpeccableChaos]

[QUOTE=Flier;6495168]Well...two weeks into my New Hyge 10iu vials, pinning 5iu ED my levels are:
GH..0.3 (<11.5)
IGF1..23.8 (11.40)

5ius should have given you a reading of around 10-11 ng'ml with a reference of 0.0-2.9 at Labcorp. And that is at 3-4 hrs after injection. Do your vials have pinwheels on the caps, and are they brown caps? I got the 200 iu kits with teal caps with pinwheels on them. I may post some pictures if anyone is interested. My package came from Hong Kong and the sponsor is probably one of the most respected on another board. But as I have come to find out a lot of these boards seem to exist just to pump sponsors. The guy I got these from is really a good guy so I don't know what to believe now. But I am going to get the IGF test just to see whats up.

[Flier]

I´m in Europe, we have different reference.
Yes, brown caps.
With the old yellow caps(or were they blue...?), 8iu vials, my BW on 4iu ED was 11 on the HGH as you state, and IGF-1 in the 60´s.
I also had the common sides with those. So it was HGH. But how pure/potent, Bioavailable...I don´t know.
However with all this confusion, I am done with it.

[sitries]

I agree that a lot of chinese HGH is total crap. but you cant just blow it all out the water on that basis! Original ********** (pinwheel tops) and Dr Lins hyge have both been proven time and time again as being good to go with various lab reports on various forums. Now ********** in general is a differnt story as there are so many copies out there!!! If you can get Genuine hyge - Originals or Dr Lins then you are good to go!!!!!! They will probably be half as strong as a European Pharma Growth like Pfizer etc but that is a given.

[marcus300]

I agree that a lot of chinese HGH is total crap. but you cant just blow it all out the water on that basis! Original ********** (pinwheel tops) and Dr Lins hyge have both been proven time and time again as being good to go with various lab reports on various forums. Now ********** in general is a differnt story as there are so many copies out there!!! If you can get Genuine hyge - Originals or Dr Lins then you are good to go!!!!!! They will probably be half as strong as a European Pharma Growth like Pfizer etc but that is a given.

You don't know what your talking about, read the thread. There are NO genuine hyge's because they are a generic company don't trust generics out of China. If your happy keep on buying them but I wouldn't use them if they were free...

[Fit N Fun]

Thanks Marcus, But whatb the hell do I do with 400ius of h y g e 's. I have used them for 6 weeks now and my test did show elevated hgh? If an igf-1 test came back in the 400's would you still be convinced they were bunk? And please don't take offense marcus I am just so disappointed that this would be the case. And can you tell me about how much it would cost to run pharm grade for 5 days a week, approximate? I paid about $2 an iu for my generic.

Really don't understand why you would not get a Mass spectrometer test done on your product.

There is no way to fool a Mass spectrometer test, so then you will know for sure what your product is, how pure it is and what the quantity of product in your vial is.

If you prove its crap, you can go back to your supplier and haggle, if its good and pure run an IGF-1 test after a few weeks pinning to see how active it is ............... so simple to do.

[ImpeccableChaos]

Thanks, how do I go about it and is the spectometer test expensive?

Really don't understand why you would not get a Mass spectrometer test done on your product.

There is no way to fool a Mass spectrometer test, so then you will know for sure what your product is, how pure it is and what the quantity of product in your vial is.

If you prove its crap, you can go back to your supplier and haggle, if its good and pure run an IGF-1 test after a few weeks pinning to see how active it is ............... so simple to do.

[Fit N Fun]

Thanks, how do I go about it and is the spectometer test expensive?

Suggest you read back a few posts, I gave good guidance on how to do this last week and have previously posted on this subject several times.

You can also search for my posts where you will see detailed information on what the results look like.

[ImpeccableChaos]

Suggest you read back a few posts, I gave good guidance on how to do this last week and have previously posted on this subject several times.

You can also search for my posts where you will see detailed information on what the results look like.

Thanks, I will. I am about halfway through the tread now. It's long!

[cyounger100]

So you guys are TOTALLY convinced this favorably looked upon generic is worthless, and more importantly dangerous? Even if I get a blood serum level of twice the dosage taken and a IGF level of around 400?
I didn't think it was a 100 post for source check when I registered. Did it change?

yes its garbage test can be altered by other peps and thats what there doin to raise these test results no one is selling legit gh for 2 an iu

[ls2 klr]

So basically what I've gathered from this thread is that it is a slim to none chance if you have chinese HGH it is real? Sucks because I have two different kinds and almost positive they are chinese as well, lol.

[slimshady01]

So basically what I've gathered from this thread is that it is a slim to none chance if you have chinese HGH it is real? Sucks because I have two different kinds and almost positive they are chinese as well, lol.

Hate to break it but if any are fake the Kigs are no1 on the list.. Many tests on them and they showed zero any anything

[DeniZen]

Ok I've read this whole thread. For arguments sake lets say 50% of the generics are fake, underdosed and/or have contaminants. With the high consumption rate from underdosing, hassle, testing, wasted time, reordering...you'd probably spend the same amout of money just buying US pharma grade from the start?

[swithuk]

Ok I've read this whole thread. For arguments sake lets say 50% of the generics are fake, underdosed and/or have contaminants. With the high consumption rate from underdosing, hassle, testing, wasted time, reordering...you'd probably spend the same amout of money just buying US pharma grade from the start?

exactly ...... when you consider all these factors (plus the fact generics are b.s anyway) pharm grade is the only way to go

btw id say its a far higher % than 50 . if you saw some of these ugl's you wouldnt buy food from them let alone inject their products in your body

[swithuk]

Hate to break it but if any are fake the Kigs are no1 on the list.. Many tests on them and they showed zero any anything

agreed kigs are def b.s

[MedicineMan7]

A comment many make is that fake hgh can make one sick. I am taking Hypertropin, 2 IU per day. About 10 days ago I started to not feel well. Today I finally went to the doc and was diagnosed with Bronchitis and possible Pneumonia. So, I have a question:

••• Is Bronchitis and Pneumonia a common result / outcome of taking fake hgh?????

••• If no, then what negative results / outcomes / sicknesses do people get from taking fake hgh??

THANKS!!

[EasyDoesIt]

A comment many make is that fake hgh can make one sick. I am taking Hypertropin, 2 IU per day. About 10 days ago I started to not feel well. Today I finally went to the doc and was diagnosed with Bronchitis and possible Pneumonia. So, I have a question:

••• Is Bronchitis and Pneumonia a common result / outcome of taking fake hgh?????

••• If no, then what negative results / outcomes / sicknesses do people get from taking fake hgh??

THANKS!!

I don't know that bronchitis is a common side from taking fake HGH, but if that is not something you have had before it is possible. The contaminants that could be in the product may cause a number of problems. Those contaminants and whatever else is in their can also cause your immune system to get weak. Problem is there is no one to go back and complain to, just stop taking it. Real hgh would make you feel better not worse. Possibly a little tired in the beginning, but not sick.