General HGH Advice

[Jitsu player]

Hi everybody....

This is my first post and I would really appreciate some advice on HGH. Basically im considering taking it for the first time, I've never taken roids or anything other than over the counter supplements before so its a big step for me. My reason is I suffered a couple of serious muscle ruptures over the last 12 months and at my age (33) im finding it difficult to heal 100% and have read GH can assist in recovery. I weigh 85kg have 10% body fat and am generally in good shape injuries aside.

I'm thinking of ordering 30 x 4iu ready mixed (anasome) GH and was wondering if 30 days is long enough to have any affect on me? I'm also really concerned about side effects, particularly the growth in facial features (this may be laughable as It probably takes months/years of high dosage to exhibit these side affects, but I wanted to hear it from someone who has used it in the past). Would this dosage be sufficient for my height/weight to help with the injuries and add some muscle mass and strip a little body fat? also is it best to take it at night or early in the morning?

I would consider a longer course but I don't want to get sucked into a really long term cycle becasue 1) its expensive 2) I dont want to end up like Andre the Giant...lol...

Anyway I hope someone can offer some good advice.

Cheers,

Rich

[Xtralarg]

Welcome to the board.

HGH may be able to help you, however 30days is not long enough, you need to be running HGH for 6 months minimum really.

If you read the stickies then they will help answer most of your questions about dosing etc.

One thing I would be wary of is that anasome is 192aa and I would stay well away from it.

Good luck.

[Jitsu player]

Thanks for the advice, I have read about the 192aa but the info I have from Anke is that the HGH/ANSOMONE is qualified to EP, USP, CP, WHO Standard with high bio-activity and with 191 amino acids which I thought was the safer form to take.

[JuliusPleaser]

hey x tra...

we were al posting on the HGH concerns about rips being no good...

well i get them from "the guy" who prob everyone gets them from..

but u just said 6 months minium...and now im starting to get abs and more leaness...

so maybe my shit is good to good... ive been on 5iu for 6 months 5/2

never got any immediate sides tho...but in month 2 i got some "growing pains" in my thumb/wrist area...never had water retention...I have great sleep which i haven't had since i got out of the marines in 06..

also, my feet went from 11.5 - to a size 12.... no joke...

so maybe my shit is legit... what u think

[Fantomg]

Back to Jitsu Players original statement:
I haven't ever seen a person develop "Acromegaly" (expansion of the skull and pronounced brow protrusion amongst several other physiological changes) on 4iu/day... even after long periods. I can not tell you that there has not been ANYONE with this but am confident the answer is "absolutely not" regarding the time frame you've set for yourself.

However, regarding the amount of time you have planned for your HGH therapy: You most likely will not see anything (visible changes in the body) or heal any injury inside 30 days. I want to say this as FACT (as I do believe this as fact) as do a large % of this board, but I am leaving my wording as such from a person who's been on 4iu's for appx 5 1/2 months and personally know at least 25 others using (some that have been on 7-8iu's day for years). I HAVE seen people who have definitely changed in the facial area, but one of them has been using 10+iu/day off and on for years now. As close as my memory serves me, he didn't exhibit these features until well into the 3rd year.

What "Xtralarg" is speaking about (stickies) are the top threads (in red) when you first enter this part of the forum (hgh etc) ie:
"Important Threads Everyone Should Read" - Click there and there is an excellent article written by "Red Baron"
"Everyone Must Read" (just below that, and written by "Gear")

My personal experience with HGH included physical changes starting at (and not at all before) appx 2 1/2 months. Additionally, I had a nagging AC joint injury (bencher's shoulder) for the past 10 years from a bench press contest (suited up and on my 2nd attempt at 495), that rendered me in pain any time I tried free weight flat bench press... for the past 10 years. After appx the 3 1/2 month mark on HGH I noticed my shoulder feeling better - I now have NO pain in that shoulder! I literally have gained back full range of motion and while I'm not a subscriber to flat bench pressing any longer... I can throw up any amount of weight without so much as a twinge. There is a slight feeling that I have some scar tissue there still or some sort of build up at the end of my clavicle but other than that - pain free!

I have to attribute this to my HGH use as again, it's been this way for over 10 years and I've done many many steroid cycles inside those years without any healing, less a little more freedom in the joint while using deca or primobolan .
Please do yourself a HUGE favor and read up on some of these threads. There are people here that are very well versed. I read for approximately 4 months before spending my money on HGH. I have 2 close friends that have placed top 16 in the Mr. O (one in the top 10) and I still learned more from this board at times.
Hope this helps -And Welcome to the board.

[Fantomg]

hey x tra...

we were al posting on the HGH concerns about rips being no good...

well i get them from "the guy" who prob everyone gets them from..

but u just said 6 months minium...and now im starting to get abs and more leaness...

so maybe my shit is good to good... ive been on 5iu for 6 months 5/2

never got any immediate sides tho...but in month 2 i got some "growing pains" in my thumb/wrist area...never had water retention...I have great sleep which i haven't had since i got out of the marines in 06..

also, my feet went from 11.5 - to a size 12.... no joke...

so maybe my shit is legit... what u think

If you have the patience and time, read the two threads titled "CHINESE HGH CONCERNS" and HGH BLOOD WORK & CHINESE BRANDS". Xtralarg has contributed in both and there is some really good direction here leading us to getting close to testing our actual bottles/substances at lab(s) to see a lot more than a blood test will reveal. We will be able to identify any/all substances in our bottles and identify the potency of those substances as well.

I just found a lab here in the U.S. that conducts both Liquid Chromatography and Mass Spectrometry tests for company's campaigns for new drugs to be put out on the market. They conduct these tests prior to FDA approval and are integral to the process of obtaining FDA approval. Other labs have turned me down due to the legalities of testing a "controlled substance". These guys don't seem to have a problem with that. Monday, I've got a name to call there that will shed light on the pricing and method by which I need to comply to in order to get my HGH tested. These two methods of testing in my understanding separate all substances in the sample you send in by molecular weight and then identify those substances and their potencies. What a friggin break through if this works. Hang Tight, I am very persistent.

One issue that may arise (per someone who posted earlier from the U.K. ((I've forgotten his avatar name)) is the actual cost to do so. In the U.K., one lab wanted $473 pounds (English denomination) which comes out to about $715 USD. I have enough friends using Chinese Yellow Tops to pitch in together and still get this done if it's this expensive.

[Jitsu player]

Fantomg - thanks very much for the reply and I will take your advice and read those posts. I know im a bit green about this stuff and it sounds like I need to take min 3-6 months to get any benefits but should still be able to avoid side effects at the dosages I'm thinking of taking. I had a grade 3 rupture of my hamstring last year in a fighting comp and had had shoulder surgery 18 months ago and elbow tendon problems all from grappling/sparring. I'm a training addict and realise I'm not in my early 20s so to maintain the pace i train I need HGH or roids and I'm worried about the latters side effects.

Thanks again.

[Xtralarg]

hey x tra...

we were al posting on the HGH concerns about rips being no good...

well i get them from "the guy" who prob everyone gets them from..

but u just said 6 months minium...and now im starting to get abs and more leaness...

so maybe my shit is good to good... ive been on 5iu for 6 months 5/2

never got any immediate sides tho...but in month 2 i got some "growing pains" in my thumb/wrist area...never had water retention...I have great sleep which i haven't had since i got out of the marines in 06..

also, my feet went from 11.5 - to a size 12.... no joke...

so maybe my shit is legit... what u think

Your post reinforces what I said in that thread,my advice is not to condem a particular brand as there are many copies available. I dont know who your source is and dont know who everyone gets theor gh from, what i am sure of though is that there is good gh coming out of China along with plenty of rubbish, I hope you are one of the lucky ones.

One thing you say really alarms me and that is that your feet have grown 1/2a size, this makes me think that you 'may' be retaining water which is giving that illusion. With regards to the leanness and abs showing, there are so many other factors which can offect this it is difficult to say if its the gh or not without knowing much more about your diet, training etc

[Xtralarg]

Thanks for the advice, I have read about the 192aa but the info I have from Anke is that the HGH/ANSOMONE is qualified to EP, USP, CP, WHO Standard with high bio-activity and with 191 amino acids which I thought was the safer form to take.

Sorry I dont quite follow what you are trying to say there?

I can speak from a personal experience with 192 from anke, I got awful red welts.

I dont see how 192aa is safer than 191aa?

[Fantomg]

Fantomg - thanks very much for the reply and I will take your advice and read those posts. I know im a bit green about this stuff and it sounds like I need to take min 3-6 months to get any benefits but should still be able to avoid side effects at the dosages I'm thinking of taking. I had a grade 3 rupture of my hamstring last year in a fighting comp and had had shoulder surgery 18 months ago and elbow tendon problems all from grappling/sparring. I'm a training addict and realise I'm not in my early 20s so to maintain the pace i train I need HGH or roids and I'm worried about the latters side effects.

Thanks again.

I am going to try to be careful with my words here, as to not TELL you to do anything. But the "latter" as you mentioned (steroids ) can be used safely as well. Each of these hormones have many different benefits (putting aside unwanted side effects, (if any) at conservative dosages. Depending on your goals, which you should really lend consideration to, (both long term and short) reading up as much as possible about anabolic steroids as well here in the forums. Again - The "red" stickies at the beginning/top of each section are a great way to start.
Too much to type (although I'm a typer lol) but there are also considerations regarding the synergistic effects etc of the combination of HGH & Steroids as well.
I am NOT telling you to use either substance. But I am suggesting you read about both here as you may develop completely different posturing in your views on both.

For me, I've been all over the map - I abused steroids when I was younger and competed both in bb shows and sanctioned bench press contests including 3 lift meets. Present date has me a hell of a lot more educated on the subject and an entirely different protocol in practice. I've actually improved my health over the past couple years with the evidence obtained from thorough blood work, conducted and interpreted by both my Endocrinologist and also other peers. Cholesterol, blood pressure, liver & kidney function etc have all improved when compared to a couple years ago with the exception of a slightly elevated creatinine level once a little while back. Draw your own conclusions - But in the past couple years, I've still used anabolics and hgh and post cycle therapy concoctions, but in a much different manner than before. I can NOT tell you these conditions were achieved via steroids and hgh. There are many other things I've changed including but not limited to diet. I can tell you (as far as your concerns are regarding your health and your consideration of HGH) that I SEEM to have not caused problems so far according to my Endocrinologist and again, qualified peers with my current usage and (crossing my fingers) from the abuse that took place in grams/week, being a walking poly-pharmaceutical egotistical "I want the trophy and my pro card" type of guy way back then.

Good luck - Great stuff here. The ideal position is to be able to know the difference between unfounded claims and hidden agendas vs solid evidence and unbiased entries. I hope you never decide to do as I did years ago. You've got a much better start than I with this site and current knowledge about these substances vs yesteryear.

[Jitsu player]

I emailed Anke and they said the stuff was 191 amino acids which I thought was the same as 191aa? I've read about 192aa and would stay clear of it and if thats what they are selling id def give it a miss.

[Fantomg]

Sorry I dont quite follow what you are trying to say there?

I can speak from a personal experience with 192 from anke, I got awful red welts.

I dont see how 192aa is safer than 191aa?

There were 2 of us out of about 15 (that I know of) that got "aweful red welts" as well from Yellow Tops ordered from China. These two guys had them subside after approximately 3 weeks. They've never had them again. Just to check, I switched bottles with one of them and didn't get anything. They STILL got them from mine.
Do you think it possible for some to get "red welts" from 191aa? This has bugged me for a while now.

Also, after running MASS SPECTROMETRY tests, I wonder if they can also ID if I've got 191 or 192.

[JuliusPleaser]

FALSE ALARM!!!! i just remeasure my feet... still 11.5... the shoe brand i bought is 12..must make their 11.5s wayu smaller than the other brand i had lol...

[Jitsu player]

thanks for the insight, a few years ago I got really close to ordering a course of Decca because a friend of mine put on decent size and strength and I was tempted and at the time my training goals were different. I was 93kg and benching 120kg which isn't bad for a skinny kid like me lol...and he was similar but the Decca took him ahead of me. I read a little (probably biased) information and was put off by the prospect of acne, sexual function issues and aggession (i'm naturally aggressive and was worried this would excentuate it, one of the reasons I like competing in combat sports). I figured HGH had less side effects and would help with my injury recovery and allow me to train at high intensity while putting a little extra lean muscle mass on and reducing body fat...everyones a winner....my main concern now is getting the dosage and term right and getting an affordable legit supply. I'm learning plenty of stuff from this web site and geniunely appreciate advice from people who have experienced this stuff.

[Jitsu player]

PS - ordered a copy of the steroids guide so will do some reading