Visited a Chinese HGH lab, my observations

[ScotchGuard]

It HOT in China right now. The humidity was so high I sweated off almost 10lbs in one 90 minute workout in a non ac'd gym. When I wrung out my shirt the sweat just poured out. I was driven about 2.5 hours outside of a major city to a "small" city of 700,000 people. It was on a Saturday evening. I was told that they wanted to take me there when there were less people. They told me that the Chinese authorities jailed people for 1 year if the crime involved $1,000. For a crime above a $1,000,000 it was death. Yeah, pretty serious. They told me that they we shipping between 2,000 to 3,000 vials a month. The legit labs were shipping about 30,000 to 50,000 vials a month.

We went to a pretty modern looking pharma facility. I've seen US pharma companies before in my previous life. If the US pharma companies are "A" companies, what I saw was about "B" it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. The raw materials were stored in a temp/humidity controlled room. The working area was clean and sealed. The machines were clean. The workers wore clean white lab coats, had latex gloves, masks, hair nets, and shoe covers. The operation was pretty small it looked like. There was only two people running process. They wouldn't let me go inside the working area. I had to observe through an observation window.

I watch the process for about 30 minutes. The process was pretty steady and the two lab guys seemed to know what they were doing. There was a big 'ol chromed machine that sort of looked like a continuous feed dish washer. There was no water but there was sterilization going on. The vials came out of there capped an finished. They probably made 500 to 700 vials on that run. They told me it was generic HGH that was being made.

There was vials with different colored tops in different batches. I asked them why the different colored tops and they said that that's how they tracked the HGH, HCG, IGF-lr1, GHRP-2, etc. I asked them if there was a difference between blue tops and yellow tops, etc. They said no. All the generics are the same formulation. I took that with a grain of salt. I know that the concentration and purity of the HGH differs between US and China so there must be differences in the generics also. Hey, I'm not a chemist so it's just my guess.

I asked them how they were able to run such an operation without alerting the authorities. They said that this lab was for making medicines for cows and other large animals. They rent the lab two weekends a month to make HGH and related products. They said that they could make it legally but the taxes and bribes required to get an export license and the money required to pass the FDA's strict guidelines made their margins non existent so they ship small quantities all over the world to stay under the custom's radar.

They told me the all of the HGH coming out of China nowdays is 191AA. He said about 3 to 5 years ago there was a lot of 192AA being made and sold as 191AA. But over time the process became perfected and the equipment got better so now almost everyone makes 191AA. I took this with a grain of salt also. I think there are still unscrupulous people in China that will pass 192AA or HCG off as HGH to make a buck. Again, I have no proof just my theory. I think the source you buy from is the key in getting the legit HGH out of China.

I've been searching for two years to find someone, ANYONE who could show me an HGH lab in China. Why did I go through such trouble to find a lab? From the first time I started using HGH two years ago I could tell that this was good stuff. I really wanted to verify that the source was legit. I've been traveling to China for the last 10 years and know a lot of people there. I met a friend of a friend of a friend who agreed to introduce me to someone that might be able to get me into a lab. I was really curious to see how the Chinese labs made HGH. I was pleasantly surprised at the process and care that was taken to make the HGH.

Overall, I'm more confident that the HGH I'm getting is legit. I'll probably be on HGH my whole life so it was worth it for me to make the investment to see the lab for myself. Please don't ask me for sources. 1) If the deal went bad I would feel terrible and feel personally responsible. I just don't want to go there. 2) I value my membership on this forum and I don't want to lose my membership privileges. Good luck with HGH it's the best compound for an old fart like me

[Xtralarg]

Interesting post, thanks for sharing it with us.

Just one question though, how do you know that it was gh that they were manufacturing?

[956Vette]

Interesting, thanks for sharing ScotchGuard

[Times Roman]

OK... so my confidence in Chinese HGH just ticked up a small notch...

[ScotchGuard]

Xtralarg, the reason I knew it was HGH was because I bought 1 kit from the batch that was just made. I used it while I was over there. I took 10iu for 3 days and I had massive sides. Fat fingers, puffy eyes, sore joints, etc.

[marcus300]

Xtralarg, the reason I knew it was HGH was because I bought 1 kit from the batch that was just made. I used it while I was over there. I took 10iu for 3 days and I had massive sides. Fat fingers, puffy eyes, sore joints, etc.

Again you still dont know what they were producing all because you got the sides it doesn't mean it was gh, they can reproduce the sides of gh just like they are reproducing the effects of certain rec drugs for 1/10th of the money which look the exact same as the real deal.

Maybe a blood test is needed or better still a full characterisation of the powder, the only way to find out what they are producing is to get it tested IMHO.

[SlimmerMe]

Fascinating! and I bet exciting--great that you did this ScotchGuard--what an adventure

[Xtralarg]

It HOT in China right now. The humidity was so high I sweated off almost 10lbs in one 90 minute workout in a non ac'd gym. When I wrung out my shirt the sweat just poured out. I was driven about 2.5 hours outside of a major city to a "small" city of 700,000 people. It was on a Saturday evening. I was told that they wanted to take me there when there were less people. They told me that the Chinese authorities jailed people for 1 year if the crime involved $1,000. For a crime above a $1,000,000 it was death. Yeah, pretty serious. They told me that they we shipping between 2,000 to 3,000 vials a month. The legit labs were shipping about 30,000 to 50,000 vials a month.

We went to a pretty modern looking pharma facility. I've seen US pharma companies before in my previous life. If the US pharma companies are "A" companies, what I saw was about "B" it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. The raw materials were stored in a temp/humidity controlled room. The working area was clean and sealed. The machines were clean. The workers wore clean white lab coats, had latex gloves, masks, hair nets, and shoe covers. The operation was pretty small it looked like. There was only two people running process. They wouldn't let me go inside the working area. I had to observe through an observation window.

I watch the process for about 30 minutes. The process was pretty steady and the two lab guys seemed to know what they were doing. There was a big 'ol chromed machine that sort of looked like a continuous feed dish washer. There was no water but there was sterilization going on. The vials came out of there capped an finished. They probably made 500 to 700 vials on that run. They told me it was generic HGH that was being made.

There was vials with different colored tops in different batches. I asked them why the different colored tops and they said that that's how they tracked the HGH, HCG, IGF-lr1, GHRP-2, etc. I asked them if there was a difference between blue tops and yellow tops, etc. They said no. All the generics are the same formulation. I took that with a grain of salt. I know that the concentration and purity of the HGH differs between US and China so there must be differences in the generics also. Hey, I'm not a chemist so it's just my guess.

I asked them how they were able to run such an operation without alerting the authorities. They said that this lab was for making medicines for cows and other large animals. They rent the lab two weekends a month to make HGH and related products. They said that they could make it legally but the taxes and bribes required to get an export license and the money required to pass the FDA's strict guidelines made their margins non existent so they ship small quantities all over the world to stay under the custom's radar.
They told me the all of the HGH coming out of China nowdays is 191AA. He said about 3 to 5 years ago there was a lot of 192AA being made and sold as 191AA. But over time the process became perfected and the equipment got better so now almost everyone makes 191AA. I took this with a grain of salt also. I think there are still unscrupulous people in China that will pass 192AA or HCG off as HGH to make a buck. Again, I have no proof just my theory. I think the source you buy from is the key in getting the legit HGH out of China.

I've been searching for two years to find someone, ANYONE who could show me an HGH lab in China. Why did I go through such trouble to find a lab? From the first time I started using HGH two years ago I could tell that this was good stuff. I really wanted to verify that the source was legit. I've been traveling to China for the last 10 years and know a lot of people there. I met a friend of a friend of a friend who agreed to introduce me to someone that might be able to get me into a lab. I was really curious to see how the Chinese labs made HGH. I was pleasantly surprised at the process and care that was taken to make the HGH.

Overall, I'm more confident that the HGH I'm getting is legit. I'll probably be on HGH my whole life so it was worth it for me to make the investment to see the lab for myself. Please don't ask me for sources. 1) If the deal went bad I would feel terrible and feel personally responsible. I just don't want to go there. 2) I value my membership on this forum and I don't want to lose my membership privileges. Good luck with HGH it's the best compound for an old fart like me

This makes me wonder, who in their right mind would risk the death panalty to make a quick buck? From what I understand the setting up of a lab that can produce rHGH runs in to the millions so surely the authorities would base their criminal charges on the cost of the set up and the ammount of money it makes?

Something isnt sitting right with me here....

[spicyer]

Kudos to scotch for the time and investment.
Unfortunately this thread can go on just like the other threads which have led to nowhere except further skepticism. For me, after I took my blood tests, testing specifically for hgh, I know what I have is real, until you do that I believe its all a big crapshoot.

[fossilfuel7]

This makes me wonder, who in their right mind would risk the death panalty to make a quick buck? From what I understand the setting up of a lab that can produce rHGH runs in to the millions so surely the authorities would base their criminal charges on the cost of the set up and the ammount of money it makes?

Something isnt sitting right with me here....

I feel the same way.

I wonder if most people realize how many steps have to be taken, like having to genetically engineer the Special strain of E. Coli bacteria or the chemical synthesis of the DNA fragment encoding the first 24 Amino Acids to make Synthetic Growth Hormone.

It takes highly educated people to do these types of tasks and millions and millions of dollars to purchase and setup equipment and perform extreme sterilization methods of Lab areas.

I certainly am glad you posted your experience Scotchgaurd as it is the first time I have ever seen someone post this kind of adventure first hand and it gives us insight into the minds of the Chinese.

[Hazard]

He said the lab was set up for other medications..... not for HGH - they just rented out the lab for the weekend. I guess maybe they figure they can get away with it..... lol well.... they obviously are.

Man.... it woulda sucked if they got raided while scotchguard was in there LOL

~Haz~

[Matt]

He said the lab was set up for other medications..... not for HGH - they just rented out the lab for the weekend. I guess maybe they figure they can get away with it..... lol well.... they obviously are.

Man.... it woulda sucked if they got raided while scotchguard was in there LOL

~Haz~

Hahaha yeah, we'd be watching him getting executed on tv...

The Chinese would have blamed him, saying he was the big Don from the US inspecting his operation..

[ScotchGuard]

I'm so glad that nothing went down when I was at the lab. It would be the worst nightmare to be locked up in a Chinese jail and some fat Chinese guy wanted to by my special friend. LOL

As the for penalties, it is rather harsh. The Chinese people don't live as well as we do in the West. The average office worker makes about $400 a month. They have learned how to economize to the max. A lady at an office I visited told me she just visited her family in the Northern province, 20 hour train ride one way. In the train there are the sleepers, chairs, and portage (standing room only). She stood for 40 hours round trip so she could save a $100. They totally have a different mind set then us. $100? I spend twice that much taking my family out to a nice dinner. For the people wondering why someone would risk life to run HGH? It's the money. Money means better place to live, better food, chance at college for their children, helping out their extended family, etc. Life is much harder over there. It may be hard for us Westerners to understand why people would risk life for money. Then again, if I couldn't provide a descent living for my kids I'd consider doing something drastic.

[ramacher]

Damn makes me realize how much better we have it here in the US.

[gym_junki]

well said mate

[Spartans09]

Freedom and capitalism are wonderful things.

[bk_in_houston]

Really cool to go on the adventure to find actual manufacturers. I'd love to be able to do that myself!

[radiokaos]

Guys I'm a noob. However I do export from China and visit often for other products.

I purchase large quantities of Nicotine for a side business. I have seen some plants which also make pharmaceuticals and they have the cleanest environments around. I'm talking suits, and air locks along with special air filtering. Then I have also seen some plants that are disgusting. The buyer needs to be aware of the plant and products involved. I think it would be hard for most consumers to visit plants in China. It would be great if others here would be willing to do a batch test on any products purchased but the costs are probably prohibited.

[foxycce]

Fantastic read, Thankyou

[got fina?]

Really nice read and thanks for taking the time to share with us. Unfortunately IMO theres still no way of knowing this stuff was all 100% legit.
The chinese are master counterfeiters and have been for as far back as we could remember. From handbags to rolexes to everything under the sun. So why not something as expensive to produce and profitable like GH?
Im sure there is real GH being made in China, I also bet most of it is fake. Especially when you need a multi million dollar facility to produce it.

[xhooker]

[QUOTE=ScotchGuard;5275292]It HOT in China right now. The humidity was so high I sweated off almost 10lbs in one 90 minute workout in a non ac'd gym. When I wrung out my shirt the sweat just poured out. I was driven about 2.5 hours outside of a major city to a "small" city of 700,000 people. It was on a Saturday evening. I was told that they wanted to take me there when there were less people. They told me that the Chinese authorities jailed people for 1 year if the crime involved $1,000. For a crime above a $1,000,000 it was death. Yeah, pretty serious. They told me that they we shipping between 2,000 to 3,000 vials a month. The legit labs were shipping about 30,000 to 50,000 vials a month.

We went to a pretty modern looking pharma facility. I've seen US pharma companies before in my previous life. If the US pharma companies are "A" companies, what I saw was about "B" it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. The raw materials were stored in a temp/humidity controlled room. The working area was clean and sealed. The machines were clean. The workers wore clean white lab coats, had latex gloves, masks, hair nets, and shoe covers. The operation was pretty small it looked like. There was only two people running process. They wouldn't let me go inside the working area. I had to observe through an observation window.

I watch the process for about 30 minutes. The process was pretty steady and the two lab guys seemed to know what they were doing. There was a big 'ol chromed machine that sort of looked like a continuous feed dish washer. There was no water but there was sterilization going on. The vials came out of there capped an finished. They probably made 500 to 700 vials on that run. They told me it was generic HGH that was being made.

There was vials with different colored tops in different batches. I asked them why the different colored tops and they said that that's how they tracked the HGH, HCG, IGF-lr1, GHRP-2, etc. I asked them if there was a difference between blue tops and yellow tops, etc. They said no. All the generics are the same formulation. I took that with a grain of salt. I know that the concentration and purity of the HGH differs between US and China so there must be differences in the generics also. Hey, I'm not a chemist so it's just my guess.

I asked them how they were able to run such an operation without alerting the authorities. They said that this lab was for making medicines for cows and other large animals. They rent the lab two weekends a month to make HGH and related products. They said that they could make it legally but the taxes and bribes required to get an export license and the money required to pass the FDA's strict guidelines made their margins non existent so they ship small quantities all over the world to stay under the custom's radar.

They told me the all of the HGH coming out of China nowdays is 191AA. He said about 3 to 5 years ago there was a lot of 192AA being made and sold as 191AA. But over time the process became perfected and the equipment got better so now almost everyone makes 191AA. I took this with a grain of salt also. I think there are still unscrupulous people in China that will pass 192AA or HCG off as HGH to make a buck. Again, I have no proof just my theory. I think the source you buy from is the key in getting the legit HGH out of China.

I've been searching for two years to find someone, ANYONE who could show me an HGH lab in China. Why did I go through such trouble to find a lab? From the first time I started using HGH two years ago I could tell that this was good stuff. I really wanted to verify that the source was legit. I've been traveling to China for the last 10 years and know a lot of people there. I met a friend of a friend of a friend who agreed to introduce me to someone that might be able to get me into a lab. I was really curious to see how the Chinese labs made HGH. I was pleasantly surprised at the process and care that was taken to make the HGH.

Overall, I'm more confident that the HGH I'm getting is legit. I'll probably be on HGH my whole life so it was worth it for me to make the investment to see the lab for myself. Please don't ask me for sources. 1) If the deal went bad I would feel terrible and feel personally responsible. I just don't want to go there. 2) I value my membership on this forum and I don't want to lose my membership privileges. Good luck with HGH it's the best compound for an old fart like me [/QUOT




Thanks ScotchGuard for your good work, I know you are on to the right stuff since I changed to your source increased my IGF level to 375 within a month
from 245 after 8 months on hy##s, I'm in my 60's.

[lift_heavy]

He said the lab was set up for other medications..... not for HGH - they just rented out the lab for the weekend. I guess maybe they figure they can get away with it..... lol well.... they obviously are.

Man.... it woulda sucked if they got raided while scotchguard was in there LOL

~Haz~

hahahah, thats funny, that would have sucked scotchguard. lol