If HGH is good for fat loss then....

[SlimmerMe]

If HGH is good for fat loss, then why is it often suggested to lower BF% before starting HGH? Why is this? If HGH is good for fat loss, then why not suggest it to those who are FAT?

Is there a specific reason for this? A chemical reason? Could it have an adverse effect? Could someone get fatter? Or something else?

I understand when someone needs to shed pounds that they need to get their diet in check and cardio and that there is no magic pill.....but wondering if there is ANOTHER REASON.

Please explain if so. Thanks.

[got fina?]

Im going to guess its due to the cost of it. If you have 4 kits, it would be much smarter to get down to around 12% bf first so you could then see the great results the 4 kits are going to give you. Now if your 27% bf and you have 4 kits, when your done maybe youll be 20% bf (hypothetically speaking). Which would you prefer??

Now if money is no object and your going to go on for 7 years. Hell, start whenever you want. JMO!

[SlimmerMe]

Thanks--anyone else? bump

[HawaiianPride.]

HGH on a standalone level isn't the wisest of choices especially if ones goals were strictly fat loss. I've explained elsewhere in this specific forum recently some of the complications GH can bring without the use of other hormones/therms in the mix.

It's usually and always suggested to first utilize nutrition/training to bring down excessive adipose tissue before resulting in exogenous compounds. The benefits of exogenous compounds at a lower BF far outweigh being at a higher BF and will in most cases please the individual even further as the side effects will be more pronounced.

Furthermore, GH should not be taken lightly. If an individual were "fat", then that clearly shows a lack of proper nutrition and experience in the world of fitness, and has no business experiencing any anabolics or peptides for that matter.

HP

[ScotchGuard02]

HGH is not like AAS. Because it doesn't affect the testosterone level in the body you don't get the test aromatizing into estrogen or get problems with progesterone. Done in moderation it's a pretty safe compound. There's really no physical reason for someone to be at a low body fat before they start HGH. However, what a waste of money!!! If one wants to lower bf it's so much faster, cheaper, and healthier with diet and cardio. Get down to the lowest bf possible with diet and cardio. Then start the HGH to get the last 20%.

[got fina?]

In my case its been a little bit of a different sotry. I basically got giffted 10 kits of Serostim so i gave it a test run starting around May at about 1.5 IU's/day. At the time i was off the gym and had enough GH to just fool around with.

Im usually pretty good with diet year round at my age and was standing at around 13-14% bf when i started the GH test. I recently measured my BF and im at 8.5 with little to no gym (3 days a week for around 1 hour) Now everybody is different, but just wanted to share my results.

I am now going to continue the GH and throw together a ncie cycle on top of it and start hitting gym like usual (6 days a week). Something crazy should happen!!!!

Love this stuff!

[ScotchGuard02]

Good job fina.

[ramacher]

What does Slin basically do when added with HGH during PWO? I know it shutters nutrients to all the cells, but other than that what else or benefits does it have? If you take it along with GH can you have your shake sooner than you would if you didnt take slin?

[digismash]

not to hijack (apologies) but would you still want to wait till under 15% (like AAS) to use gh, or could you use it around 20%, is that what you were saying Scotch??

[SlimmerMe]

agree---good job "gotfina"-- and thanks Scotch and Hawaiian for your input too--

and as far as hyjacking---I do not mind your question, DIGISMASH, since my basic question is similiar---but--it seems for now "cost" is a big reason

BUT IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER REASONS I WANT TO KNOW! so---BUMP!

[NVR2BIG1]

initially you'll hold water on GH, probably the first few months so any fatloss is really going to go unseen, however you'll notice results faster if your already in a leaner state.

[SlimmerMe]

initially you'll hold water on GH, probably the first few months so any fatloss is really going to go unseen, however you'll notice results faster if your already in a leaner state.

[Belial10732]

Because if you're at 15-20% bodyfat, you can still shed fat easily while retaining muscle. Diet + cardio + AAS will get you where you want to be, adding GH isn't going to do much extra.

If you're at 7%, it's much harder. You've already gotten almost as far as diet + cardio + aas will take you. At that point, even the small changes GH makes start to become noticable... and worth the money. Save it till you need it.

[lift_heavy]

will gh green tops make my bitch tits go away?

[Lifeguard102]

If HGH is good for fat loss, then why is it often suggested to lower BF% before starting HGH? Why is this? If HGH is good for fat loss, then why not suggest it to those who are FAT?

Is there a specific reason for this? A chemical reason? Could it have an adverse effect? Could someone get fatter? Or something else?

I understand when someone needs to shed pounds that they need to get their diet in check and cardio and that there is no magic pill.....but wondering if there is ANOTHER REASON.

Please explain if so. Thanks.

A couple of things go into the advise about dropping bf% before running GH.

COST- its expensive.
DIET and EXERCISE- is something we should tell all members. We can't forget it is key.
to SEE the EFFECTS-we want to make a fair assessment of our cmpds.It is key to dial these in first bc they MUST be dialed in during.
CLINICALLY- gh and carbs don't mix. Some studies advise us to avoid taking GH 2+ hours pre and post carb consumption.
When taking GH you must time your meals AROUND your pinning for it to be efficacious. You want the most BANG for your buck.

You said it best There is no magic pill.
I hope this help
Lifeguard

so,Slimmer this is what I take and why I advise to cut bf before taking GH.

[ScotchGuard02]

heavy, sorry to tell you that HGH doesn't reverse the affects of gyno.

[wnehme]

a friend of mine works in a surgery..she tells me that hgh is prescibed to obese people to lose weight prior to any operations and procedures..must help the patient in the OT to be less fat

[Sc0rch]

Not in the US they don't. It is illegal to prescribe it for fat loss in the US.

Repeat after me...no magic pill...no magic pill...no magic pill...

The one component it your last thread (that nobody responded to), that controls your metabolism the most, is FOOD.

You admitted you need to work on your diet. I would say stop looking for fat loss aids and work on your diet, you'll get the most effective results that way.

[SlimmerMe]

Not in the US they don't. It is illegal to prescribe it for fat loss in the US.

Repeat after me...no magic pill...no magic pill...no magic pill...

The one component it your last thread (that nobody responded to), that controls your metabolism the most, is FOOD.

You admitted you need to work on your diet. I would say stop looking for fat loss aids and work on your diet, you'll get the most effective results that way.

I agree with you 100%.

My question in this thread is because often I read that hgh is not recommended for heavy people and I was wondering if there is another reason.. an unknown.... perhaps medical reason....other than "cost" being the major factor...something that could actually make the situation worse for those who need to lose more BF..and yes..I fully admit that I need to work on my food more! Getting better ED!

[marcus300]

Off topic, slimmerMe why have you got your pm's disabled?

[Sc0rch]

SlimmerMe, I've just been noticing all of your posts are in regard to fat loss and it sounds like you're very frustrated with your goal, that you're looking for some compound(s) to do the job when in fact food is what will do it for you.

When you eat do you eat until you're full/satisfied?

Can you list everything you've eaten over the last three days? Or at least yesterday?

[SlimmerMe]

Off topic, slimmerMe why have you got your pm's disabled?

Because---at first I thought that the PM's were automatic after a 100 post---then I realized it was only 25 since a couple people wanted to PM me and I realized that I had to actually "set it" to get a PM. But.. after thinking about it, I hesitated to activate it because: I am so addicted to this site and thought that PMing would only add to the addiction---plus for privacy--I wanted to make sure that sending PM's would not lessen privacy. I also thought that if anyone wanted to say something then why not just go ahead and make it public so I do not get in a situation where I feel uncomfortable answering questions. So---hope this helps.

I am tempted and might go ahead anyway as long as PMing does not lesson the privacy issue. Thanks for asking Marcus. Any suggestions?

[marcus300]

Because---at first I thought that the PM's were automatic after a 100 post---then I realized it was only 25 since a couple people wanted to PM me and I realized that I had to actually "set it" to get a PM. But.. after thinking about it, I hesitated to activate it because: I am so addicted to this site and thought that PMing would only add to the addiction---plus for privacy--I wanted to make sure that sending PM's would not lessen privacy. I also thought that if anyone wanted to say something then why not just go ahead and make it public so I do not get in a situation where I feel uncomfortable answering questions. So---hope this helps.

I am tempted and might go ahead anyway as long as PMing does not lesson the privacy issue. Thanks for asking Marcus. Any suggestions?

Reason why I asked, you have been put forward for an interview and just wanted to know do you fancy it?

[SlimmerMe]

Reason why I asked, you have been put forward for an interview and just wanted to know do you fancy it?

OH MY GOSH!!!! I am off to the YMCA in a few minutes!!!! WOW!!! let me get back with you later today!!!! GOLLY PETE!

[marcus300]

OH MY GOSH!!!! I am off to the YMCA in a few minutes!!!! WOW!!! let me get back with you later today!!!! GOLLY PETE!

Open your pm's I need to talk to you about it or activate your pms and send me a pm with your email addy then deactivate it, i can contact you then about it.

[SlimmerMe]

SlimmerMe, I've just been noticing all of your posts are in regard to fat loss and it sounds like you're very frustrated with your goal, that you're looking for some compound(s) to do the job when in fact food is what will do it for you.

When you eat do you eat until you're full/satisfied?

Can you list everything you've eaten over the last three days? Or at least yesterday?

LOL!!!! great detective work....I am laughing so hard I have tears rolling done my face......is my hand in the cookie jar? NO! it is not.....

[Sc0rch]

Could you answer my questions directly please?

[westcoastriot]

HGH on a standalone level isn't the wisest of choices especially if ones goals were strictly fat loss. I've explained elsewhere in this specific forum recently some of the complications GH can bring without the use of other hormones/therms in the mix.

It's usually and always suggested to first utilize nutrition/training to bring down excessive adipose tissue before resulting in exogenous compounds. The benefits of exogenous compounds at a lower BF far outweigh being at a higher BF and will in most cases please the individual even further as the side effects will be more pronounced.

Furthermore, GH should not be taken lightly. If an individual were "fat", then that clearly shows a lack of proper nutrition and experience in the world of fitness, and has no business experiencing any anabolics or peptides for that matter.

HP

Im just wondering if you could point me to the other thread in which you mentioned the side effects of taking GH on its own as?

Thanks a lot HP.

[Sc0rch]

When you eat do you eat until you're full/satisfied?

Can you list everything you've eaten over the last three days? Or at least yesterday?

Could you answer my questions directly please?

...?

[BG]

...?

Easy Screech, she will answer if she wants to.

[BG]

By having lower BF your body will be more anabolic naturaly which will make the GH work better. Also has to do with insulin sensitivity, I would have to refresh myself a little to be able to explain it properly.

But on the other side, I have seen a guy use it at high dose with a lot of cardio and he lost tons of weight....but he put it back on right when he stopped.

[SlimmerMe]

by having lower bf your body will be more anabolic naturaly which will make the gh work better. Also has to do with insulin sensitivity, i would have to refresh myself a little to be able to explain it properly.

But on the other side, i have seen a guy use it at high dose with a lot of cardio and he lost tons of weight....but he put it back on right when he stopped.

thanks!

[D7M]

HGH is not like AAS. Because it doesn't affect the testosterone level in the body you don't get the test aromatizing into estrogen or get problems with progesterone. Done in moderation it's a pretty safe compound. There's really no physical reason for someone to be at a low body fat before they start HGH. However, what a waste of money!!! If one wants to lower bf it's so much faster, cheaper, and healthier with diet and cardio. Get down to the lowest bf possible with diet and cardio. Then start the HGH to get the last 20%.

True.

But HGH can cause prolactin related gyno. It's rare, but still possible.

[Anticatabolik]

If HGH is good for fat loss, then why is it often suggested to lower BF% before starting HGH? Why is this? If HGH is good for fat loss, then why not suggest it to those who are FAT?

Is there a specific reason for this? A chemical reason? Could it have an adverse effect? Could someone get fatter? Or something else?

I understand when someone needs to shed pounds that they need to get their diet in check and cardio and that there is no magic pill.....but wondering if there is ANOTHER REASON.

Please explain if so. Thanks.

Hello, HGH has been used by bodybuilders for a very long time, however it has uses far beyond that as there are 600 different fucntions caused by hgh in the body.

Certain brands of hgh can make you hold water retention because of the high sodium content some manufacturers use as a preservative.

I'm assuming also that you are a female, obviously females hold more water...
The simple way of cutting down water retention is to

A. Lower your sodium intake

B. Eat a high protein, low carb diet while taking peptides.

C. Choose your brand of hgh wisely (American made are far more superior per i.u)

Hgh is very beneficial for fatloss since it can really cause the body to burn adipose fat which is hardest to burn...

There are also Hormonal issues that can contribute to weight gain and water retention but can be assisted through hormonal replacement therapy...

Of course there is no magic bullet to fatloss but supplementation of hgh/igf-1/hcg can certainly help kick fatloss and lean muscle building into overdrive.

I did some studies on my own body where i deliberately gained 50 pound (Loved every minute of it!) and shed 50 pound, gained lean muscle mass in 3 months supplementing myself with peptides, correct exercise and cardio without much effort...

Everyone is not the same and hgh can be used from competative bber's, to 80 year olds looking for the anti-aging and wellness effects....

[Anticatabolik]

By having lower BF your body will be more anabolic naturaly which will make the GH work better. Also has to do with insulin sensitivity, I would have to refresh myself a little to be able to explain it properly.

But on the other side, I have seen a guy use it at high dose with a lot of cardio and he lost tons of weight....but he put it back on right when he stopped.

He put on all that weight back on, because he didn't keep a low carb/High protein diet!

It is false to say that having lower body fat will make hgh work better, anabolism and hormonal functions are two separate things, hgh will remain and work in the body no matter what size, it will start burning fat... the only reason it causes anabolic effects is by hgh increasing protein synthesis/anti-catabolic functions but not directly affecting anabolism...

You have to consume a high protein/low carb diet due to insulin sensitivity because sugar can spike your insulin levels while using peptides and cause blurred vision, make you sleepy and tired, and eventually cause diabetes due to the irregular insulin patterns...

[Belial10732]

Certain brands of hgh can make you hold water retention because of the high sodium content some manufacturers use as a preservative.
.

Incorrect. The amount of sodium required to cause water retention in most people is measured in grams (1000-2000mg a day is considered normal sodium intake). Assuming sodium chloride were used, you'd need to be injecting several grams of powder every day of pure salt to cause appreciable water retention. Given that the majority of HGH is measured in milligram amounts (when dry powder), this is obviously impossible.

[Anticatabolik]

Incorrect. The amount of sodium required to cause water retention in most people is measured in grams (1000-2000mg a day is considered normal sodium intake). Assuming sodium chloride were used, you'd need to be injecting several grams of powder every day of pure salt to cause appreciable water retention. Given that the majority of HGH is measured in milligram amounts (when dry powder), this is obviously impossible.

I never stated in will cause significant bloating, however certain brands use more sodium than others, and injecting every day has an accumulative effect which may contribute to bloating along with high sodium diet...

[Anticatabolik]

Also it could be this:

exoGH increases somatostatin, the kidney got side specific receptors for somatostatin which may activate the renin-angiotensin system(2). This may cause the HGH bloat and can be inhibited by an ace-inhibitor.

1- "The antinatriuretic action of biosynthetic human growth hormone in man involves activation of the renin-angiotensin system.
Garvan Institute of Medical Research, St. Vincents Hospital, Darlinghurst, Sydney, Australia.

Previous studies using human pituitary extracts have not resolved whether the sodium retaining effects of human growth hormone (hGH) are mediated in part by increased aldosterone secretion. We have studied the effects of an authentic biosynthetic GH (bio-hGH) preparation on sodium metabolism and on the activity of the renin-angiotensin system. Six young men were administered this preparation at 0.2 U/kg/d subcutaneously for five consecutive days. Twenty-four-hour urine collections were obtained for measurement of sodium excretion and osmolality and blood collected for quantitating changes in sodium, osmolality, plasma renin activity (PRA), aldosterone, and arginine vasopressin (AVP) concentrations. Bio-hGH administration resulted in a fall in 24-hour urinary sodium excretion (197 +/- 38 to 42 +/- 20 mmol, mean +/- SD, P less than .005), a reduction in urine volume (1,652 +/- 182 to 848 +/- 348 mL, P less than .05) but not osmolality. PRA increased significantly from 1,118 +/- 73 to 3,608 +/- 1,841 fmol angiotensin 1 L/s (P less than .005), which was associated with a sevenfold increase in plasma aldosterone concentration (52 +/- 12 to 402 +/- 99 pg/mL, P less than .001). Plasma osmolality and AVP concentrations did not change significantly. The results show that Bio-GH-induced retention of sodium involves the activation of the renin-angiotensin system. This mechanism may explain in part the occurrence of plasma volume expansion and hypertension in acr*****ly and suggests a risk of fluid retention and possibly hypertension in subjects receiving supra physiological doses of bio-hGH for treatment of short stature.
"


Dr Speer's theory is that it is caused by ADH (antidiuretic hormone). See excerpt below, taken from http://www.rajeun.net/bigdoc.html
Growth hormone, however, causes A.D.H. (Anti-Diuretic Hormone) to go up. ADH is a very potent coronary constrictor which also constricts veins. It is produced starting in the hypothalamus. The nerve endings of certain neurons in the hypothalamus reach into the posterior pituitary, and ADH and oxicitocin come from the posterior pituitary. ADH can go up to 20 times normal levels with fear, or anger, and stress. This can cause coronary constriction within minutes, and this can cause a massive heart attack.

Growth hormone makes ADH go up, and as a direct effect of this, water retention goes up, which causes higher blood pressure. ADH is dose dependent of GH, which is why you have to drop the dose if blood pressure goes up too high, until your circulatory system adjusts to handle it. This is the only bad side effect of an otherwise very good dose of growth hormone.

"Clonidine" is the safest high blood pressure medicine. It causes no side effects, and no impotency of any kind. It is indicated if you have high blood pressure due to ADH.

[Belial10732]

That is much more likely.

[SlimmerMe]

You 2 guys are on a roll here......interesting stuff...