HGH and Ulcerative Colitis?

**Scottish-Muscle** · 09-18-2010, 10:07 AM

Not to sure if this will be in the right area of place to ask this question, but i'll go for it anyway. Problem is im 20 years old, very dedicated to bodybuilding, currently natural never used anything however was going to eventually use. Problem is 6 months ago I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis... I keep getting flare ups and the hospital keep giving me more and more courses of prednisolone, Im on my 4th course of prednisolone and getting bad side effects can't really cope with it. Also suffer from severe low testosterone for a long while because of the prednisolone so it's making it worse.

So heres where HGH comes into play. Would using Human Growth Hormone (**********, kigtropin etc), growth peptides (ghrcp 2/6 + cjc) or even AAS test/deca , would this HELP in some way to regenerate new cells to the large intestine where it is affected, obviously not curing the problem but helping to make it better and better?

What im looking at is overall life preservation of the bowel.... I don't want surgery to remove my large intestine it's the last thing I want! but I know in my own mind it's heading that way, but thats why im looking for ANY options to try prolong the life span of the bowel, obviously not cure it, but keep making it better and better over time to prevent flare ups and keep healthy as poss.

So would HGH or GH peptides be worth it in this case or not really gonna make much of a difference? im only 20 and having a collostomy bag is last thing I want... Advice and expertise is appreciated!

**SlimmerMe** · 09-18-2010, 10:09 AM

Welcome---
there is a lot of info here about this---so wait for the pros to chime in!

**Scottish-Muscle** · 09-18-2010, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by SlimmerMe

Welcome---
there is a lot of info here about this---so wait for the pros to chime in!

Hi mate, yeah I researched a bit on here and came across a few articles that some members have posted, some in specific such as people who have used oxandrolone (anavar ), test and other drugs such as deca , but HGH seems to have proven science behind it.

More so looking here as it's more interesting to see what actual PEOPLE personally got out of these drugs, as lets be honest the hospital isn't going to pescribe me HGH or aas, not so much because not enough science backing it but more so the cost for them to do so. But I am quite happy to fund it myself if it will help! cheers.

**SlimmerMe** · 09-18-2010, 10:21 AM

Most people here pay out of pocket for HGH unfortunately....

Seeing you are 20 is another thing to consider...but...with this specific UC condition then if (IMO) hgh would help, then you might consider it but with extreme caution... especially since your growth plates may not be finsihed growing and you do not want to make things worse---especially with organs involved..

there may be a much better way.... especially for your age.
Wait and see what the Pros around here say....sometimes it takes awhile to get the ball rolling...depends on who is online and such---I read your other post---seems like you do need some help...good luck--

**Scottish-Muscle** · 09-18-2010, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by SlimmerMe

Most people here pay out of pocket for HGH unfortunately....
Seeing you are 20 is even another thing to consider...but...with this UC condition then I would think if (IMO) hgh would help, then consider it..although there may be a better way especially for your age.
Wait and see what the Pros around here say....sometimes it takes awhle to get the ball rolling...depends on who is online and such---I read your other post---seems like you do need some help...good luck--

Yeah it's a bit of a nightmare to be honest, been thru a lot of problems over the past couple of years it's just these 2 left. Alough test can be fixed fairly simple but this is pretty complicated with the bowel.

Funny thing is I've managed to build quite a big physique up on the low amount of test I have, sitting at about 15.5-16 stone, alough probs more like 15.5 or a bit under now i've lost some weight because of the flare up. And strength is still thru the roof... I'll get some pics up if needed. But bodybuilding is my life and passion, and I feel the longer this carry on goes on the more it will hinder me, and i'll just waste away to skin and bones!. I train very hard, and my life revolves around bodybuilding and it's the only thing that keeps me happy, so if I don't have that I don't have anything. As im pretty sure a lot of the guys here are like to. cheers.

**SlimmerMe** · 09-18-2010, 09:36 PM

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**Twist** · 09-19-2010, 04:58 AM

Chinese blue tops cured my kidney problem in one month at 2ius per day at age 20. I had labs done before hgh and after hgh confirming the result. I say talk to a doctor and have them monitor you while you do it.

**Scottish-Muscle** · 09-20-2010, 04:58 PM

Could be worth a shot then in that case? if it has shown for you to help as im really at the end of options? thx

**Scottish-Muscle** · 09-21-2010, 03:21 PM

Really at end of teather with doctors, they are a waste of time..

Went to GP today because of the prednisone it's causing me severe itching, so bad that I've ripped all the skin off my leg because of the itching, and the joints are really sore and painful and also can't sleep at night..

His answer was that he doesn't know he's not an expert and kinda shrugged it off saying nothing you can do with the joint pains etc... it's the steroids causing that. And just gave me anti-hystamine for the itching and sleep pills but no use. I asked if theres other drugs for the bowel to help "improve" it and he said yeah but they are liver toxic so can't give you them as you had past liver probs:

Theliver probs I had in the past was because there was a blockage in my bile duct causing the liver enzymes to raise but now it is fine and has been ever since they cleared blockage so thats a lot of shyt....

So im left at a dead loss! they are basically leaving things so they get worse and I have to get it removed! it's inevitable because once I come off steroids in another 6 weeks or so the bowel will be ok but then if it flares up again because maintenance drug (pentasa) doesn't work then they will have to put me on pred again but said quite clearly they won't as I have been on it 4 times in the last 6 months and it's causing problems with my body.... so how else will they sort it? bowel removal...

I need to try contact a proper specialist, these stupid textbook cowboys are no use.... and im getting nowhere. I feel my health is in the hands of clueless idiots.

**Spartans09** · 09-21-2010, 04:36 PM

I have uc and have been taking GH for about 4 months at 2.25 IU/day, 6/1. I have read that it has helped people with more severe uc, crohns. I am still fairly mild. I was diagnosed 4 years ago with a couple of moderate flare-ups early on. Nothing in a couple years thankfully. I also cycle test and anavar once a year and have never had any flare-ups while cycling. Anectodally, it seems to help.
Prednisone is evil. I take colozol daily now in a lower dose. When I had the aforementioned flare-ups I would take cortisol enimas once a day. This is a corticosteroid much like prednisone but withot all the nasty sides. Has your dr. Mentioned this?

**Scottish-Muscle** · 09-21-2010, 05:58 PM

^Hi mate thanks for the reply. I can't take the enemas because the "disease" is to far up my large intestine, I asked them that

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**Spartans09** · 09-21-2010, 09:46 PM

There are several members on this site with UC and crohns. Hopefully they will provide some input as well.
I did come across some evidence of GH success in treating more severe cases of UC a while back while searching google. I'll see if I can find it again and link it when I have a little time.

**Scottish-Muscle** · 09-22-2010, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Spartans09

There are several members on this site with UC and crohns. Hopefully they will provide some input as well.
I did come across some evidence of GH success in treating more severe cases of UC a while back while searching google. I'll see if I can find it again and link it when I have a little time.

Yeah I've come across A LOT of studies HGH use and the disease and how it helps also studies that deca + anavar have helped.

Was considering going on anavar to hold my size whilst on these prednisone as I've been on them to long and gonna start wasting away....

**BrnstrM** · 10-10-2010, 12:46 AM

This turned out to be much longer and more detailed than I thought, and I would up taking a while before I actually got to the HGH and UC issue. Hope its not too much of a bore to read, skip to the last few paragraphs if you just want the HGH scoop (or current lack there of as you will see) rather than reading about AAS and my entire life's history.

For background I have had UC for 10 years now. Have gotten half a dozen moderate flares which come on slowly and then go away slowly, and two severe flares which lated a month and went away as quick as they came. For the severe flares I needed Prednisone, and for about half of the moderate ones I used Pred as well. Every time the prednisone worked fortunately enough, however the sides as you know are awful, and I had every last one of them. Since I was in the military and did not want it to cause any issues, I mostly treated this on my own (mostly with prednisone) until I was confident it would not effect my duty status. During that time I was not able to use prophylactic treatment (ie Asacol to stay in remission) but after an attack last year because of other medical issues (my decision to hide this from the Army worked so well I wound up getting blown up pretty good in Iraq) they put me on once a day Lialdas. I still cannot pin down my triggers, as every time it seems different.

Early this summer I started having a moderate flare, this one likely caused from withdrawal of long term opiate pain medication. I had planned on using AAS as soon as I reached my first plateau after being able to work out hard again for the first time in a couple of years. I did not want to start while flaring since there was no way I could reach this plateau. I had only done one previous cycle, a baby one of 250-500mg sust/week for 8 weeks, and had one of my severe flares during it. I realized it was not due to the AAS but rather the fact I was pounding 2 myoplex deluxes loaded with sorbitol (sugar alcohols are VERY bad for UC and Crohns) and like a gallon of milk a day on top of that (massive lactose is also not good). It was so bad I couldn't tell whether the AAS helped or hindered that time around.

Since I did not want to take oral prednisone due to the catabolic effect, and the fact the majority of my disease is in the lower bowel, the doctor proscribed me mesalamine and hydrocortisone enemas, the latter someone above mentioned. While its mostly down low as I mentioned above, the rest of my bowel is effected to a lesser degree, which I am assuming yours is, so this would at least clear up the extreme urgency associated with the lower colon, with the hope the asacol would catch most of the upper colon. At first I was not thrilled with the prospect of 2 enemas a day, but got used to it quick, especially since it worked VERY well. After a month I was 90% in remission and was able to work out as hard as I wanted. A month later I had not yet fully plateaued (would have taken a few more months since i was starting almost from scratch) but lost patience and began a 10 week cycle of 500mg test e a weeks with a 4 week kicker of anavar to start. At the start I was 195 and around a sad 20% BF.

My colitis symptoms continued to decline into almost complete remission, with just a slight urgency remaining during my very regular bowel movements . Meanwhile my strength exploded as expected, as did my weight, although it was entirely water at first. It was ridiculous, I put on 30 pounds of water in the first 2 weeks, although the weight stabilized as I traded muscle for water over the 10 weeks hovering around 230. I just took my last 250mg shot last Wednesday and will wait another week to start PCT.

Now, for the HGH. I have no answers at the moment, hopefully I didn't waste your time and you were able to take something out of the above. However I should have some idea of if HGH helps soon - three weeks ago I started running it. I just had surgery (yes, right at the end of my AAS cycle - not ideal) and wanted to recover quicker, plus I figured it would help me retain gains post AAS cycle on top of that. I am going ED until at least the one month mark. Did 1 IU subq/day week 1; 2 IU the next week and 2.5 this past week, all in one shot 2 hours before I get up for the day. Tomorrow (well today) I will try 3 IU split up, subq on non lifting days and IM to targeted muscles for workout days. I am almost totally in remission and lets hope I can stay that way. It won't be conclusive of course whether it was the HGH or not but at least it will lend a tiny bit of credence to the theory HGH helps. I will keep you posted.

I just reread your original post and saw you were only 20. Thats tough to have such brutal symptoms at such a young age - mine started at 18 but wasn't nearly bad enough for anyone to talk surgery - as much as the pred sucked it was controlled with it. I wrote all that stuff about AAS and HGH so I will leave it, even though I would definitely hold off on both. I'm 28 and catch a ton of flak for using HGH at such an age (the surgical recovery and post AAS aspect are what really drove me to do it). You should definitely pursue other treatments before a colectomy, although with the technique of connecting the ileum to the anus and creating a pouch you shouldn't have to live with a colostomy bag if it came down to that (I had a colostomy for 8 months due to my mishap in Iraq - you are 110% right in thinking it sucks). Have you talked to your doctor about immunomodulators? Remicade is de rigeour right now for severe cases not controlled by bad steroids (prednisone/prednisolone).

**lift_heavy** · 10-18-2010, 08:02 PM

i think i had uc and hgh helped

**idboy123** · 12-14-2010, 09:42 AM

Hi so recently i came across some gh i am 21 yrs old. 5'11 205. I have been into bodybuilding since i was 17. Through time i have ran a few different cycles despite the fact that i had suffered from uc while i was 12. I had the surgery when i was 14 removing my a piece of my intestine where uc takes place. Since then i have been fine "knock on wood no flare ups". Now that i am getting into more serious bodybuilding i am considering taking gh but want to know if it would have effects on my past history. I see you were concidering it but didnt know if you have began or not. Thanks

**SlimmerMe** · 12-14-2010, 10:05 AM

Welcome idboy123

Sounds like you need specific advice just for you. You might want to start an entire new thread here with as much information as to your background and what you are after and anything else you think the members might need to hear. Since you have a detailed personal medical history this plays into what input the members will give to you. So please be as detailed as possible. THANKS

Meantime, do a search on UC and see what comes up for you. Welcome again!

**GirlyGymRat** · 12-16-2010, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Scottish-Muscle

Not to sure if this will be in the right area of place to ask this question, but i'll go for it anyway. Problem is im 20 years old, very dedicated to bodybuilding, currently natural never used anything however was going to eventually use. Problem is 6 months ago I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis... I keep getting flare ups and the hospital keep giving me more and more courses of prednisolone, Im on my 4th course of prednisolone and getting bad side effects can't really cope with it. Also suffer from severe low testosterone for a long while because of the prednisolone so it's making it worse.

I had UC years back and get a flare up occassionally. Doctors not really sure what causes it, but for me....diet and stress are my triggers. The last time I got it was when I was trying a vegetarian diet with tons of raw veggies...Doctor said my body cannot take that much ruffage. I make Kefir...you will want to get your hands on some Kefir grains and make your own. This is an excellent website if you are interested - my favorite website. Lots of recipes and good for study.

http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html
Also limit my glutin intake for a while and that really really helped. But for me, the key is KEFIR!!!!!!!!!

I am just completed 3 months of a planned 9 month gh cycle. Not sure that it is helping...but doesn't seem to be hurting me.

**ScotchGuard02** · 12-18-2010, 07:33 AM

Scott, I'm a big fan of HGH. I do think you have to be careful about taking anything like HGH without a Doc's prescription. You're talking about altering your endocrine system by use of synthetic HGH. The side effects of HGH could be non-reversible. I'm not saying don't do it. I am saying you should have science behind your decision. I've read the testimonies of people on this post of getting good results from HGH. They are very motivating. At this point, I don't know of any study that has conclusively linked HGH to UC improvement. You should ask and endo if such studies have been done. If it was me and the choices were between UC pain and HGH, I'd take the HGH. That's only IF knew that HGH would solve the problem. Good luck bro.