Young 1st Timer Needing Advice!!

[hax0r]

Hi all,

I'm new to the site and in need of some valuable advice from all the bodybuilders/work out junkies here. So here's a little about me:

I'm 6'3"/195/19 years of age. Been working out since 8th grade and seriously worked out during my high school career as I trained with a formal professional award-winning football player. He taught me all about resistance training and dieting, even gave me the St. Louis Rams' strength coach's guidelines for maintaining a 5-6k cal diet daily. I've read about as much as I can on these things and I've realized I probably don't want to take any anabolics. However, that being said, I would like to know which forms of supplements in terms of hormones can best be used to help achieve my goals.

My goals:
1. keep my nuts/penis working. no tits either
2. trim all the fat off my bones.
3. have a genuine cut look as if I were taking Anavar/Winstrol, without the negative affects of course.
4. add strength
5. keep my nuts/penis working. always. and forever. and no tits.

After all the research I've done I realize that HGH/GHRP-6 and/or -2/hexarelin is probably the way to go. I've also read that these can actually increase penis size. at my age the idea of a U-boat down under sounds pretty enticing just by itself . Seriously though, any advice you can give on cycling these either together or separately or however you all would do them is greatly appreciated and welcome.

Basically, my question is how those supplements will in affect, help me reach my goals/fail my goals, why that is, and what you guys would recommend.

Also, is slin a good substance for my age given my experience already?


Thanks,
-hax

[SlimmerMe]

Hi all,

I'm new to the site and in need of some valuable advice from all the bodybuilders/work out junkies here. So here's a little about me:

I'm 6'3"/195/19 years of age. Been working out since 8th grade and seriously worked out during my high school career as I trained with a formal professional award-winning football player. He taught me all about resistance training and dieting, even gave me the St. Louis Rams' strength coach's guidelines for maintaining a 5-6k cal diet daily. I've read about as much as I can on these things and I've realized I probably don't want to take any anabolics. However, that being said, I would like to know which forms of supplements in terms of hormones can best be used to help achieve my goals.

My goals:
1. keep my nuts/penis working. no tits either
2. trim all the fat off my bones.
3. have a genuine cut look as if I were taking Anavar/Winstrol, without the negative affects of course.
4. add strength
5. keep my nuts/penis working. always. and forever. and no tits.

After all the research I've done I realize that HGH/GHRP-6 and/or -2/hexarelin is probably the way to go. I've also read that these can actually increase penis size. at my age the idea of a U-boat down under sounds pretty enticing just by itself . Seriously though, any advice you can give on cycling these either together or separately or however you all would do them is greatly appreciated and welcome.

Basically, my question is how those supplements will in affect, help me reach my goals/fail my goals, why that is, and what you guys would recommend.

Also, is slin a good substance for my age given my experience already?


Thanks,
-hax

Welcome and glad you are here!
Sounds like you have been dedicated for awhile and this show fortitude. And your interest in researching all of the above is also good.

First of all. At 19 I do not think anyone here would ever suggest that you take HGH. For starters your growth plates have not even fused yet and to take hgh could potentially create odd growth. Also at 19 you have tons of gh. Plus you could generate a negative feedback loop. This means that you start getting used to the synthetic growth hormone and then your natural growth production starts to shut down. This would not be good at all.

And I have yet to hear of hgh helping the U-Boat down under. And I have read a lot of threads here. I could be wrong. But doubt it.

And "slin" is for the very advanced. One wrong move with slin and it is all over. And I am serious about this.

Please keep hanging here and reading and learning. There is so much to absorb. And you came to the right place to get great help.

What exactly do you want. Gains?

AT 19 since you have so many hormones...TONS of hormones.... you can achieve so much with what you have. To be honest there are guys here who WISH they have what you have!

If you want food help, go to the "Diet Questions" forum and for training the "Workout Questions" forum. And there is a "Supplement" forum too.

Hope to see you around!

[GH consumer]

I agree with Slimmer on all point.

19 is way too young to be thinking about AAS let alone GH and even Slin is even much further then that.

Do NOT do anything with these compounds (esp. slin since it can and will kill you if you don't know your body to the t, and you dont at your age).

To look ripped and cool follow a high protein, cycle carbs (example: 2 low-1 high day) and low fat (good fat you need) diet for 3-4 months and you will be very dry and cool looking

Good luck

[hax0r]

Guys,

I appreciate the concern. However I am going to do this. Although I may not take GH or AAS, I will be taking a supplement such as GHRP-6, or hexarelin. I just need to know if there are some serious side affects that can come along with these. I haven't heard of any so far, so any advice is welcome.

I do appreciate the feedback though.

-hax

[SlimmerMe]

Guys,

I appreciate the concern. However I am going to do this. Although I may not take GH or AAS, I will be taking a supplement such as GHRP-6, or hexarelin. I just need to know if there are some serious side affects that can come along with these. I haven't heard of any so far, so any advice is welcome.

I do appreciate the feedback though.

-hax

I sure hope you do not mean slin in this thought process.....have you read any of Vettewreck's threads on slin? or the educational threads in this forum?

[GH consumer]

Guys,

I appreciate the concern. However I am going to do this. Although I may not take GH or AAS, I will be taking a supplement such as GHRP-6, or hexarelin. I just need to know if there are some serious side affects that can come along with these. I haven't heard of any so far, so any advice is welcome.

I do appreciate the feedback though.

-hax

In the end it is your responsibility to do what you thing is best.

What is the point in asking advice of you only want to hear what you want to hear.

If I was you I would think a little deeper why it is you want to do anything except training, eating and enjoying at age 19.

You are now at the best possible age for natural gains and using hormones to be a little wider and heavier could have much bigger negative consequences later on

Good luck

[hax0r]

No not going to intro to slin yet. Maybe after a year or two of doing this and seeing how my body reacts.

[SlimmerMe]

Exactly what do you plan on doing? please elaborate. Thanks

[hax0r]

I wanted advice on the supplements and the negative side affects and how to cycle these. I didn't say I wanted advice on whether or not to do them. I had some pretty specific questions that I had created based on about a month of research and it's like the first thing that happens is none of them get answered and instead all I hear is about not doing stuff that I don't even want to do (AAS, possibly slin/hgh). I have a very specific goal in mind: to cut my body like I have never been able to before. I've taken bcaas creatine pwo substances work-out endurance substances and everything else you can find in a local work-out supplement store. While taking these I was waking up at 430AM to lift for 3 hours before going to school and lifting there during the period. I did cardio at both school and with my former trainer as well after school for at least a total of 4 hrs. a day.

You know what happened? I had the biggest bench in school and I looked huge. But most of it was water weight and you couldn't see any definition at ALL. Yeah I had great strength but all that work put in only made me bigger and stronger. Idc about bigger and stronger anymore. I want to be cut. Period. To have a six pack. I have never had one of those, even as much ab training as I have done. I JUST WANT TO LOOK CUT! I want to be able to see the results I have made in the mirror instead of on the bench. And I'm tired of it taking months to get these results.

[hax0r]

Exactly what do you plan on doing? please elaborate. Thanks

GHRP-6/Hexarelin/MGF-possibly.


HGH isn't completely out of the picture for me however I may wait on it because I am young.

[GH consumer]

I've taken bcaas creatine pwo substances work-out endurance substances and everything else you can find in a local work-out supplement store. While taking these I was waking up at 430AM to lift for 3 hours before going to school and lifting there during the period. I did cardio at both school and with my former trainer as well after school for at least a total of 4 hrs. a day.

First of all considering the supps: off all the supps one can buy there is only one that does what it is supposed to do: protein powder. Also multivitamins are good. All others are basically junk that the fitness industry sells to young people promising them results when these simply dont work. If you really listen to this you will save a lot of time, money and hope. 100% guaranteed.

Looking at your training you can improve a lot by doing less: 4 hrs a day is WAY too much for anybody on this planet to be doing weights and/or cardio.

I have done the same thing in the past at your age, thinking more=better but after a lot of time I realised that less training but quality trainin=excellent results.

I now train 45min 5x a week (yes 45 min), 1 muscle per training (except arms are both biceps and triceps together). 2 rest days per week and a lot of the time 3 if I feel like it.

300 grams of protein (fish, meat, eggs), medium carbs (for me personally 130 is medium), fat very low (I use omega 3,6,9 as supplement+olive oil).

The results I have are now much better then I ever had when I was 20. Knowing your body and what makes it fat and what foods, how to get muscles back soon after layoff etc is key.

Do not push your body to do things it does not want to do, listen and respect it and you will get excellent results.

How is your diet looking, can you give us a daily breakdown with all the grams of proteins, carbs and fats

[SlimmerMe]

I wanted advice on the supplements and the negative side affects and how to cycle these. I didn't say I wanted advice on whether or not to do them. I had some pretty specific questions that I had created based on about a month of research and it's like the first thing that happens is none of them get answered and instead all I hear is about not doing stuff that I don't even want to do (AAS, possibly slin/hgh). I have a very specific goal in mind: to cut my body like I have never been able to before. I've taken bcaas creatine pwo substances work-out endurance substances and everything else you can find in a local work-out supplement store. While taking these I was waking up at 430AM to lift for 3 hours before going to school and lifting there during the period. I did cardio at both school and with my former trainer as well after school for at least a total of 4 hrs. a day.

You know what happened? I had the biggest bench in school and I looked huge. But most of it was water weight and you couldn't see any definition at ALL. Yeah I had great strength but all that work put in only made me bigger and stronger. Idc about bigger and stronger anymore. I want to be cut. Period. To have a six pack. I have never had one of those, even as much ab training as I have done. I JUST WANT TO LOOK CUT! I want to be able to see the results I have made in the mirror instead of on the bench. And I'm tired of it taking months to get these results.

This concerns me. Do you think these guys who look all buffed and have a gorgeous 6 pack and are huge with no BF worked out for a months? They have spent YEARS to look like this. No amount of any chemicals will take you where you want to go if your diet and training is not perfect. I know you do not want to hear this and I do not blame you. We all want a magic pill. Hey! I do too! I want to shed BF and guess what? I've got to do more cardio and eat less.

At 19 you have an edge. A real natural advantage. And to think you have worked out all you can and now you need some chemicals is the easy way out. Nothing comes without a price. If something can be so magical, then something else has to happen for that to happen.

Please re-think your plan.

[hax0r]

Ok,

I'm not trying to look buff. Once again, I'm just trying to look cut. I saw a bunch of my fellow HS team-mates getting this with barely working out at all just doing cardio and plyometrics. I know it didn't take them years (although some I admit did take some AAS). However, the point is that I DO NOT HAVE THE GENETICS TO BE CUT LIKE I WANT TO BE CUT. I may not know my body as well as some of you know yours. However, given my history with supplements and training I do know my body to a good extent, more than most at my age.

I did resistance training for a long while, separating the workouts into Abs, back, arms and chest. When I say resistance training, I mean I would completely isolate the muscles and do negative lifts. Except abs, which I would work out every time. To give you an idea, on bench I would do military and wide grip keeping my legs at a 45 degree position in the air and doing a negative lift. I got this advice from someone who won a lombardi trophy and played many years pro so please don't tell me that it's wrong.

However, after realizing that all resistance training did was get me buff and big I decided to implement a more reps/lighter weight workout. It didn't make a difference. I worked with resistance for probably 3 years or so? The other I did for about 1.5 years. All while doing cardio. The thing is, I still had the same problem: my body doesn't cut itself, it makes itself bigger. The more reps/lighter weight workout just gave me less results.

[SlimmerMe]

Ok,

I'm not trying to look buff. Once again, I'm just trying to look cut. I saw a bunch of my fellow HS team-mates getting this with barely working out at all just doing cardio and plyometrics. I know it didn't take them years (although some I admit did take some AAS). However, the point is that I DO NOT HAVE THE GENETICS TO BE CUT LIKE I WANT TO BE CUT. I may not know my body as well as some of you know yours. However, given my history with supplements and training I do know my body to a good extent, more than most at my age.

I did resistance training for a long while, separating the workouts into Abs, back, arms and chest. When I say resistance training, I mean I would completely isolate the muscles and do negative lifts. Except abs, which I would work out every time. To give you an idea, on bench I would do military and wide grip keeping my legs at a 45 degree position in the air and doing a negative lift. I got this advice from someone who won a lombardi trophy and played many years pro so please don't tell me that it's wrong.

However, after realizing that all resistance training did was get me buff and big I decided to implement a more reps/lighter weight workout. It didn't make a difference. I worked with resistance for probably 3 years or so? The other I did for about 1.5 years. All while doing cardio. The thing is, I still had the same problem: my body doesn't cut itself, it makes itself bigger. The more reps/lighter weight workout just gave me less results.

here is the deal. We all react differently to everything we do. Whether training or food or chemicals. For example, I wanted to look smaller on hgh but ended up looking like an amazonian woman from the jungle.

I have had many trainers. And many of them would tell me the same thing. And then every so often I would get lucky and find a trainer who "thought out of the box" and I would end up so so much better. For example: I have always fought being bottom heavy. Well most trainers would have me do lunges and squats. Guess what? this made me bigger. It was when I avoided squats and lunges did my bottom half start looking better. And I am talking about trainers who are well known and have trained celebrities who gave me the wrong methods for my body. So sometimes we have to search until we get it right. That is why once you find a trainer who figures it out, is one of the best gifts you can receive from someone.

Moral to the story? maybe it is time to switch out your routine. Learn a new method. If you are not getting the results you want at 19 then I bet you are not training correctly for YOU!

[Hazard]

Ok,

I'm not trying to look buff. Once again, I'm just trying to look cut. I saw a bunch of my fellow HS team-mates getting this with barely working out at all just doing cardio and plyometrics. I know it didn't take them years (although some I admit did take some AAS). However, the point is that I DO NOT HAVE THE GENETICS TO BE CUT LIKE I WANT TO BE CUT. I may not know my body as well as some of you know yours. However, given my history with supplements and training I do know my body to a good extent, more than most at my age.

I did resistance training for a long while, separating the workouts into Abs, back, arms and chest. When I say resistance training, I mean I would completely isolate the muscles and do negative lifts. Except abs, which I would work out every time. To give you an idea, on bench I would do military and wide grip keeping my legs at a 45 degree position in the air and doing a negative lift. I got this advice from someone who won a lombardi trophy and played many years pro so please don't tell me that it's wrong.

However, after realizing that all resistance training did was get me buff and big I decided to implement a more reps/lighter weight workout. It didn't make a difference. I worked with resistance for probably 3 years or so? The other I did for about 1.5 years. All while doing cardio. The thing is, I still had the same problem: my body doesn't cut itself, it makes itself bigger. The more reps/lighter weight workout just gave me less results.

This one sentence caught me a little off guard.....

I'm sure the advice he gave you is good advice..... for a football player. Hell.... ronnie coleman could give me his exact outline of everything he used along with his lifting routine and I'm willing to bet my life that it wouldn't work for me. A good trainer knows that everyone is different and one method doesn't work for everyone.

Now.... if you want to cut up but you feel like what you are doing isn't working..... then it's time to try something new. The 1st thing you can do is post your goals, routine, and diet in the Diet forum..... people can help you tweak things to give you better results.

I'll tell you right now.... if you aren't making progress now..... you're just going to waste money on ghrp-6 or any other peptide you buy.

~Haz~

[hax0r]

Tell ya what,


In 3 months or so I will post my cycle and work-out routine. I'll be on Hexarelin most likely, if not then GHRP-2 and maybe hgh at 4ius ed. Any negative side affects will be reported alongside those positive ones. Appreciate it but it doesn't seem like anyone has the info I need so I'll go ahead and guinea pig myself. Maybe I'll save/help someone else down the line.

Thanks anyways guys. I'm not being sarcastic I really mean that.

[Hazard]

I have a moral responsibility to NOT advise you on HGH..... you're too young to be using it. How do you know your growth plates are fused?

I'm not going to tell you it's ok for you to use it or advise you how to use it..... then have you run it and have something happen. If you want to go ahead and doit on your own.... thats fine. I'm sure you'll have a lot to teach when it's all said and done.....

~Haz~

[hax0r]

Completely understand you haz and respect that kind of answer. I'd rather have that answer or a no answer than people attempting to convince me otherwise.

The hgh is still up in the air, depends on how much $ I can afford to spend, but I might replace it with MGF too. Who knows? I just know I will be taking a peptide along the lines of Hexarelin and GHRP.

Thanks,
-hax

[SlimmerMe]

Tell ya what,


In 3 months or so I will post my cycle and work-out routine. I'll be on Hexarelin most likely, if not then GHRP-2 and maybe hgh at 4ius ed. Any negative side affects will be reported alongside those positive ones. Appreciate it but it doesn't seem like anyone has the info I need so I'll go ahead and guinea pig myself. Maybe I'll save/help someone else down the line.

Thanks anyways guys. I'm not being sarcastic I really mean that.

I sure hope you keep that a "maybe." Do you have any idea how much you could mess up your endocrine system forever?
Everyone above has told you to stay away from all of this. Why do you insist? I do not understand this.

[DCannon]

I don't know why you won't listen to everyones advice here. You want to know the risks? How about ending up looking deformed and weird because your bones haven't finished growing?

Try google searching images of acromegaly for some examples.

[hax0r]

Look guys it's starting to get irritating. I appreciate your advice but keeping on with this after I've made a decision is just unnecessary.

Honestly, the only reason I would do hgh with it is if I felt that GHRP-2 and CJC-1293 (mod GRF 1-29 w/o dac) wasn't yielding the results I want.

Does that put you at ease?

[Matt]

I wish you wouldnt but good luck and keep us posted.....

[GH consumer]

One last remark. I will not try to put you off anything because internet forums don't have that power.

If you say that resistance training made you big and puff then the real problem is your diet.

All bodybuilders and fitness people know that training is almost always the same in the offseason as before a contest or a deadline. Only more cardio is implemented but the rule that works is to try to keep lifting heavy even when on low calories.

Lifting heavy and with good form is always good for muscles.

The big and only difference is diet. same training, same AAS and everything. Diet will make you puffy and watery big or cut and dry like a diamond.

Even with half-assed training and excellent diet will you look much better then with excellent training and wrong diet.

[hax0r]

I do appreciate the advice and apologize for being so short. Just been getting people telling me the same thing on several different forums now instead of answering my questions. However, I am currently getting my items in the mail.
First cycle is looking like this:

10mg AnaVar 2xs ed;
100 mcgs GHRP-2 with 150 mcgs CJC1293 (w/o DAC mod GRF (1-29))
20mgs Clenbuterol ed

Any further suggestions? I will be posting my results here soon.

Also is it illegal via forum rules to post before/after pics?

[SlimmerMe]

I do appreciate the advice and apologize for being so short. Just been getting people telling me the same thing on several different forums now instead of answering my questions. However, I am currently getting my items in the mail.
First cycle is looking like this:

10mg AnaVar 2xs ed;
100 mcgs GHRP-2 with 150 mcgs CJC1293 (w/o DAC mod GRF (1-29))
20mgs Clenbuterol ed

Any further suggestions? I will be posting my results here soon.

Also is it illegal via forum rules to post before/after pics?

I was thinking just awhile ago I wish you would post up some photos....this would be great and okay to do.

[hax0r]

Anything for you slimm .

Here's a pic of me now. You will see what I mean by not having the genetics for a 6.

[SlimmerMe]

okay...I am going to suggest something that might work and then again, might not.
There is a challenge here that has just started. And because many members were delayed over the holidays, they could not get there photos posted in time. And because of this, the boss aka *admin* decided to extend the photo deadline until this weekend.
It is too late to be assigned a trainer. Many trainees are going solo for the challenge anyway. This is the FIRST ever here and we are excited about it. Below is a link for the contestants who have entered with their photos. Everyone has something they want to work on. Some want to gain. Some want to lose BF. Regardless everyone wants to win. The winner will be based on the before/after photos.

If you think for any reason you might want to hop on this challenge and go solo then I will PM the *admin* since you will need 50 post to make a PM. Let me know asap. Meantime there is a thread where I can lead you to get your post count up.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...allenge-PHOTOS

and here are the names of the contestants and the rules
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...(Closed-Thread)

and should you decide to go solo, the same guys who are the TRAINERS will also still be helping everyone anyway in the threads around here especially in the DIET forum

[GH consumer]

If I can be honest I would like to offer my view.

Thank you for posting your pictures.

I believe your diet and training are the key in not getting where you want to go.

In short;

Training: you train too long and too much. Too compensate and grow your muscles you would need a lot more nutrients then anyone can eat. Therefore the muscles hold water as protection and are not round and full. They are too exhausted. Train 5x a week max, 45 minutes at a time. Trust me, you will not get smaller or look worse. The opposite will happen. You will be rested, full and hard.

Diet: Now that you are training less your body is not in shock and can process the food you are giving it. Eat a lot of lean protein (fish, meat, eggs), low carbs with 1 high carb day every 5-7 days and low fats (you do need good fats though).

Do this and in combination with your natural GH and testosterone will guarantee you a killer body.

[SlimmerMe]

Thanks for posting photos. I was typing when your photo post went up and then mine above went up.
Let me know. In or out. I think if you joined in and got advice here in the other forums, not this one for training purposes since this is for hgh ect....and guess what? I am rarely in the other ones ( diet and workout forums) so I will leave you alone! ( a bit more)

and GH Consumer is right....it does come down to diet and training

[hax0r]

Why would I want you to leave me alone slimm??

I love a challenge, but am I not a bit too late? It says I have to have posted everything by the 4th?

Would you be my trainer? ))

[SlimmerMe]

Why would I want you to leave me alone slimm??

I love a challenge, but am I not a bit too late? It says I have to have posted everything by the 4th?

Would you be my trainer? ))

LOL!!! this has made my day!
Do you want to do it? like I said, all the photos have been extended. And the only members who can sign up late are the ones going solo. And I am not sure if you can even get in. But let me know. ASAP. and I will PM the boss.....he might be going to bed...let me know!

[hax0r]

Well, I'd rather just have you as a trainer and beat em anyways .

We can do it!

[SlimmerMe]

I just got back online. Was about to sign off. You are funny. I am not a trainer! But I bet you could get a lot of help in the Diet Question forum or the Workout Questions forum and really get in the shape you want to be. You have so much on your side going for you now so I think it is worth going to those 2 forums. Just tell them everything. What you eat and what time of day and how much. I promise you will be transformed.

So are you saying you want to be in the challenge or not?

[hax0r]

Hmmm, alright then, sign me up if you can.

You know how to put pressure on a brotha.

[SlimmerMe]

Sounds great! I will know you are serious about the challenge if and when you have your required 8 photos ready to post.

[SlimmerMe]

okay...I just heard back from *admin* and he is allowing it! And that you need to get your photos posted asap. I sent you the link to the photos in one of the above post and the link rules as to the photos. And when you post your photos put:
stats
and you are going solo

plus you will need to get your post count up to 50 so you can PM the *admin* and tell him you are in the challenge....
here is the official link to get your post count up for the challenge
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-away-trainees

THAT's IT! I hope to see your photos up and ready.