HGH virgin, trying to get some clarification!

**Vullfromsc** · 03-12-2011, 09:47 PM

Since I stated using AAS, I have used many compounds in my cycles for the past two years listed below:

Anabolic Steroids : test, tren , masteron , winstrol , dianabol
PCT/AI/Glycoprotein Hormones: nolvadex , toremifene citrate, aromasin , letro, hCG
Peptides/other: IGF-1 LR3, GHRP-6, GHRP-2, humulin R, humalog, clenbuterol , ketotifen

I am currently 25 at about 232lb at 6'1.5" 8%bf 9 weeks into my test/tren/mast cycle.

I am also looking to add HGH into my PCT/next cycle.. I have 3 100iu kits of Green Top Elitropin HGH and want to start running it at 3iu starting on the first day of my pct. (5 days on, 2 days off (weekends off))

Would starting it at 3ius per day (1.5iu upon waking at 8a.m. and 1.5iu before bed at midnight) be a good starting point? or should I just start at 1iu ED and go from there? to be honest, I have NEVER had any bad sides from taking any other compound (besides accutane when i was a bit younger) in my life..

I will also be taking GHRP-6(morning, PW, before bed) and IGF-1 LR3 (PW at 20mcg) in my PCT with clenbuterol (100mcg per day 2 on 2 off), humulin r (15iu PW), nolvadex(40/20/20/20/20), and toremifene(120/60/60/60/60)

Also, is bacteriostatic water alright to use with HGH? that is the solvent i prefer.

**Sc0rch** · 03-12-2011, 10:18 PM

You are a fool.

**ScotchGuard02** · 03-12-2011, 10:22 PM

You've done a lot of compounds at your young age. It's recommended that one start HGH at 30, or so. 25's a bit young. I'll let more experienced users comment on the rest.

**SlimmerMe** · 03-12-2011, 10:25 PM

My gosh! that is a lot of stuff! Do you compete?

First of all the general consensus is that 25 is too early for hgh since you already produce a lot anyway.

Night time injections are for the over 40-50 crowd for anti-aging. The optimal time to take it is in the wee hours of the morning. For example get up and pin and then go back to sleep for a couple of hours. If not, first thing in the morning but make sure to not eat an hour on either side of pinning.

Also...starting at a lower dose and building up slowly is advised. You said you do not get sides but....ya never know. And fatigue is a big one. If you get tired all you will want to do is stay on the couch.

I wish you would wait until after 30. Not worth it. Plus the chance of a negative feedback loop. And then you end up in the Over 40 forum.

Good luck.

**Vullfromsc** · 03-12-2011, 10:56 PM

thank you for your inputs. i do plan on competing within the next year after i have completed two more cycles, and i want to try to optimize the gains i am continuing to get from my cycles. that is the main reason for turning to HGH, but what are the reasons for not using it until 30? just because i produce a good amount now? or am i risking organ enlargement and skeletal enlargement as well in the future by using this young?

**SlimmerMe** · 03-12-2011, 11:02 PM

the risk is the negative feedback loop....not organ enlargement with the doses you are talking about..

the risk is: that your own growth hormone starts to rely on the synthetic and then your own growth pulse starts to slow/shut down....and then you are worse off than when you started....and since you produce so much now anyway, it is not worth it. And any younger your growth plates may not have fused which CAN create odd growth if not fused yet.

**cyounger100** · 03-13-2011, 01:15 AM

yes bac water is fine too mix with i would start with 2 ius a day and work up from there the sides im getting off 2 ius right are tough and i am like you i usually arent prone too any sides and there is a good article about nightime dosing also on the forum cant find it though

**Vullfromsc** · 03-13-2011, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by SlimmerMe

the risk is the negative feedback loop....not organ enlargement with the doses you are talking about..

the risk is: that your own growth hormone starts to rely on the synthetic and then your own growth pulse starts to slow/shut down....and then you are worse off than when you started....and since you produce so much now anyway, it is not worth it. And any younger your growth plates may not have fused which CAN create odd growth if not fused yet.

ah i understand, i just read up on the negative feedback loop. so using something like ghrp-2 or ghrp-6 wouldn't help to sustain my body's natural GH production then?

BG · 03-13-2011, 04:27 PM

With everything else you are taking I wouldnt waste the money. For what you are going to get out of some generic GH you will already be getting from the peptides. I would just hold....save something for down the road later on.

**Vullfromsc** · 03-14-2011, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by BG

With everything else you are taking I wouldnt waste the money. For what you are going to get out of some generic GH you will already be getting from the peptides. I would just hold....save something for down the road later on.

I mean honestly, I am getting amazing results from everything I am taking right now. I am just worried that I will lose muscle when I come off cycle, but you think the IGF + ghrp + insulin + clenbuterol combo will be enough to preserve the gains I have made until my next cycle?