First Cycle HGH and Steroids

[oliverlip]

Hi,

I have been doing bodybuilding for a little while now without much results.

I want to start my first cycle of HGH and Steroids.

I have seen many pictures and stories on this forum and I would like to achieve the kind of goals I have seen so far, without being crazily bulky. I would like to still be able to cross a doorway !

What kind of dosage and lenght (3 months ?) could you recommend me ?

Would I be able to keep my gains after only one cycle if I go on with my usual gym (4 times a week) and whey/arginine/glutamine/creatine enriched diet.

Thanks a lot for your help

Oliver

[38jumper38]

welcome.
-Can you post your Stats?
Thanks.

[amar7]

No offense oliver, but you are a classic in getting wrong impressions about things in a forum
HGH is pretty expensive, you might give it a try, but it wont meet your expectations for sure, so I can't recommend it in your case

[oliverlip]

Hi guys, thanks for replying!

Amar,
Of course no offense! Have you ever try HGH ?
So what you would recommend then ?

Jumper,
My stats : 5'10'' 159 lbs
Thanks for your help

[38jumper38]

stats:
age:
Hight: 159
weight: 5'10"
bf:
Years training:
cycle experience:

Looking at your H 5'10" and W 159lbs, my best guess is more like a diet problem, you my want to work in a diet for while and training for a while. I been on HGH for 5 months and I can't tell you any difference, for me helps keep my bf low, post what you eat, meals and time, lets take a look in to.

[amar7]

@oliver: I can say that HGH can increase well-being and is good for repairing injuries. Even for fat loss it's working next to anti-aging. For building muscle it's disappointing for as far as I'm concerned as I am using it right now.
post the stats as 38 asked for

[ScotchGuard02]

I can tell you from experience that HGH is one of the MOST expensive ways to gain muscles. You're way better off perfecting your diet, set up a good training program and cycle Test E 500mg/wk for 12wks, Rest 3 weeks, PCT with clomid and Nolvadex.

[GGot FFina?]

I would have to agree with others on this one. GH is no miracle drug and i actually found it to be on the milder side compared to the others i have tried. I also had good GH (Serostim). Considering the results vs the price paid i would not say its anything magical. I did 4 kits, and just leaned me out nicely. Nothing a nice diet and some Win did not do for me in the past.

First cycle? I would go with Test. 500mg/week. Get your DIET dialed in for the kind of changes you want to see, and the skies the limit....

[oliverlip]

Hello !

OK I got you guys well lets start with my stats :

age: 26
Hight: 159
weight: 5'10"
bf:18%
Years training: 1 year
cycle experience: None

So in the end what you mean is that in the end HGH is not promoting much muscle growth more fat loss.

I heard though that at the beginning it promotes fat loss but after 4 months it promotes muscle growth is that right ?

So in the end maybe you say that I should be better off trying first Test ? But what kind ?

My meal plan :

Breakfast : 1 whole egg, 5 white, fruit, green tea, fruit juice,

Lunch : Lean chicken, vegetables, whole wheat : pasta or bread,

Dinner : Light dinner fish, fruit.

Alcohol once a week on weekends, I drink plenty of water.

My plan was maybe this kind of cycle at the beginning I picked up on the forums on guys who started with my background and seem to achieve amazing results in just 6 months tell me freely what you think :

Cycle 1 :

HGH 2iu/day
Sus 250 mg/week
Dbol 50mg/day
Win 150 mg/week

Cycle 2 :
HGH 3iu
Primo 300mg/week
Deca (?) 400 mg/week
Dbol 50mg/day
Win 150mg/week
Clen 4 tabs /day

[oliverlip]

Oups I forgot my supplements :

I take three shakes a day :

1. Whey, Arginine, Glutamine, BCAA,
2. Whey, creatine,
3. Post workout : Whey, arginine, BCAA, Glutamine

[JimmySidewalk]

Your way in over you head. You need to read more and be well informed, that is if you want to have a good, non-dangerous experience with steroids. You will find here articles which will awnser every question that you have. I dont know where you got those cycles from but i aint feelin it.

Start off with just test, one substance so you can keep track of what's going on in you'r body, and good PCT.
Dont rush it, its a patience sport. Muscles get built in time.

In my opinion you shouldn't be anywhere near steroids at your stats but as history has proved, you will do as you wish regardless of what people say here.

Goodluck

[oliverlip]

I agree with you JimmySidewalk but I see my friend who has done the same diet and same gym 4 times a week it doesn't have much results after 3 years. I have been very serious with my gym so far and I am about to give up.

Maybe the best would be to do like you say Test first to see what happens. Can you give me a hand about the meaning of PCT ?

What do the others think ? HGH/ steroids or just Test for now ?

[JimmySidewalk]

Dang man, if you dont even know what PCT means you shouldn't even think about planning a cycle. PCT= Post Cycle Therapy. I wont get into details because you have a biiiiiig section just on that. You only have to read.

You shouldnt touch steroids, but knowing that you will anyway, at least try the safest way and take only test and inform yourself on good PCT.

[38jumper38]

Look, you need improved in you diet, you not eating enough, 3 small meals a day like that, you are starving, there is no hgh or steroids that will do anything for you. I'm not and expert on diet, I can't put one for you, but there is guys around here that know how to do it. You need to go in diet section and look over there, you will find one. Open A new thread and ask for help, they will come in.

[SlimmerMe]

26? too early for hgh.

You need to achieve what you are after with diet and training. Taking hgh at 26 while you already have a TON of natural growth hormone is just not worth potentially slowing or shutting down your own natural gh pulse. If this happens you will end up in the Over 40 forum sooner than later.

[hankdiesel]

My 2 year old eats close to the same amount of calories from whole food that you do. You got to eat a lot more buddy. More food and more often. Don't rely on the shakes for the bulk of your caloric intake.

[X83]

Your way in over you head. You need to read more and be well informed

Bingo!

Newbies Starter Pack: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...evised-Edition

[ScotchGuard02]

Hello !

OK I got you guys well lets start with my stats :

age: 26
Hight: 159
weight: 5'10"
bf:18% Am I reading this right? You're only 26, 5'10" 159lbs with 18% bf? Most of the guys I know with 18% bf are all near or over 200lbs.
Years training: 1 year
cycle experience: None

So in the end what you mean is that in the end HGH is not promoting much muscle growth more fat loss.
Muscle growth or fat loss is based on how much HGH you're taking per day. Enough pharma grade HGH to bulk you up can run as much as $100/day. That's $3,000/month! Yes, HGH can absolutely burn fat and help you put on muscle. First of all, you're way too young to start on HGH. You can screw up your natural pulses of HGH. Second, can you afford enough HGH to meet your goal? That's $3,000/month for at least 6 months? If not, why start? You'll just be wasting your money.

I heard though that at the beginning it promotes fat loss but after 4 months it promotes muscle growth is that right ?
HGH doesn't quite work like that. If you're taking 3iu/ed it'll just burn fat. Even if you take it for a year, it'll just burn fat. If you take 10iu/ed it'll burn fat and build muscles from day one. Because HGH works slowly and its effects are cumulative, you won't see dramatic changes until weeks after you start.

So in the end maybe you say that I should be better off trying first Test ? But what kind ?
Go for a long ester Test like Test E. If you don't mind jabbing your butt every other day, then you can do Test Prop. Either way, you really have to do your research to understand how the AAS is affecting your body. You can really hurt yourself if you don't know what you're doing. Don't be a statistic, read and learn.

My meal plan :

Breakfast : 1 whole egg, 5 white, fruit, green tea, fruit juice,

Lunch : Lean chicken, vegetables, whole wheat : pasta or bread,

Dinner : Light dinner fish, fruit.
I'm surprised some of the vets haven't jumped all over your diet. If you eat like a little man you will always be a little man no matter how much steroids you put in your body. Go to the diet section and work up a good bulking diet for yourself.

Alcohol once a week on weekends, I drink plenty of water.

My plan was maybe this kind of cycle at the beginning I picked up on the forums on guys who started with my background and seem to achieve amazing results in just 6 months tell me freely what you think :

Cycle 1 :

HGH 2iu/day
Sus 250 mg/week
Dbol 50mg/day
Win 150 mg/week

Cycle 2 :
HGH 3iu
Primo 300mg/week
Deca (?) 400 mg/week
Dbol 50mg/day
Win 150mg/week
Clen 4 tabs /day
Your cycle is poorly thought out. Be smart and read more before you start. The cycle you listed above can hurt you.

If you have the desire to cycle you really do need to be at about 10% to 15% body fat before you cycle. You need a good diet plan worked out. You need to be in they gym training hard for at least 3 years before you cycle. You need to read a lot more about food, AAS, PCT, training, etc. before you start. Don't take a short cut and just start taking steroids because you think you're going to get big. Your body will pay penalties down the road.

[ramacher]

The majority of your caloric intake is coming from supplement shakes, which is not a good source. They are supplements which they are only to supplement your diet as you need to take in whole foods such beef, chicken, pork, and veggies etc. You won't see any results on artificial proteins.

[hwy1378]

I would say a Test first only cycle and Improve the diet. Im 45yrs old and just started HGH and in my second month. 23% body fat and 159lbs ? was that a miss print?