GH opinion... EXPERIENCED only, not elbow jockeys thanks...

[JuliusPleaser]

Ok... I am at the verge of completely dropping GH from my regiment....and im asking ALL experienced USERS not people who just know shit from reading, what they think of this post...

I've taken GH for a few years now, mainly Chinese and I would run into pharm grade here and there when or if came my way.

I recently found a personal source where i have unlimited access to Norditropin Norditflex pens, which I get for at an insanely low price due to quality of the orders placed and my connection...

they are legit, and others on this very board can vouch for these pens.. my point being that THEY are legit.. i decided to put my own $$$ into finding out whether or not pharm grade and chinese grade is that different since the "chinese HGH" concerns thread has been going on forever.. lol...

well what i have been doing is i have been on GH for a long time now and honestly, the changes are NOT that dramatic at all from either Chinese or pharm... pharm grade is more "potent" from what ive noticed but the changes do not seem to be any "faster" or more noticeable... in fact those of you who get a hold of pharm grade and hope to see changes that are better are probably going to be severely disspointed... u wont SEE crap but you will def FEEL the changes/ sleep, good mood etc.... sleep is about the only thing you will always feel on pharm gh, the rest of the sides fade and it seem the results creep up extremely slowy to the point you won't notice them anyway...

yet countless people i have spoken to have said on BOTH substances , they have noticed and seen great results, obviously from pharm grade than not....but are these people delusional?... how can u actually SEE results and if so, how do u KNOW the GH caused those results??? unless of course you are taking 18iu a day for mass, or you are eating like totcal crap taking 4iu a day and STILL getting abs?...

what i am starting to believe and see is that maybe the way you respond to GH may just simply be genetic, like juice... some need more than others...

Now to the point... i am 27 years old...i have taken rips for 1 year straight at 5ius ed and i looked exactly like my avatar in the pic u see there... which was a dramatic change from where i first started... the question is, WAS it the GH that made such changes, or was it the fact that I was eating and doing cardio correctly...???

I had done and even more stricter diet this year and more cardio, and i am now on Pharm grade gh yet i only look SLIGHLTY different from the pic that u see on the left....i am bigger and leaner but WAS that the GH or just simply another year of training and dieting?...

i have even looked more ripped off of gh and just eating almost no carbs, but that made me flat and lose size... and on gh i have looked fully at times but really is that what im paying for?...

So I think spending money on gh to lean out is completely retarded and a waste of money... and since i'm not usnig dosages above 3iu a day, nor am I a pro taking 8-16iu a day, what exactly am I or ANY of us for that matter taking GH for?.... i always wanted to achieve a body like arnold's and he NEVER took GH, so why am i taking gh to achieve a body like his when he never took it to do so... the point would be to increase my genetic potential, but how MUCH can gh do that, unless of course im taking insane amounts, which even i wouldn't want to pay for...

And yes ive heard it does this and that, like heal faster sleep better, and i have experienced that, but is THAT worth thousands a YEAR, when its not like you SEE or EXPERIENCE it THAT much more differently... its like taking glutamine or creatine, does anyone REALLY see a damn difference, seriously...no they dont... no one see crap on any of these supplements out there... it takes weeks upon weeks to notice anything from anything we take, thats if anyting we take other than protein, carbs, fats and vitamins actually work...lol

I have met HUGE shredded guy who never took GH in their lives, obviously they are superior in frame and genetic response to juice, which comes to my point, maybe I am a hard responder to GH and juice... maybe my receptors need more, and if so, i should be relying on my bodies natural production of GH instead of flooding it with syntetic gh... steroids obviously work and there is no doubt about them watsoever...

I am 27 and i have met people who took GH when they were 22 and are monsters now at 25 and then ive also met guys who never took gh until they were 32 and are not so different from their former size they have achieved previously at 26-31...

My questions are:

1.) do u think it can be genetic that some of us need super high dosages of GH that are not WORTH even bother taking, and we should rely on our natural production?

2.) if your not a pro taking massive amounts of GH and you are not at ur genetic limit in both muscle and leanness, should you even bother taking it, will it really speed up results?

3.) does my age 27 really mean don't take gh when I have seen both younger bbuilders start even younger and see results...?

please share your opinions

thx

PS , pics on the left are this years progress, while the pics with the sparta face are last year...both years i was on chinese gh... ihave no been on the pharm pens to post such a great diff, infact, the pic i took just now sept 19 i am on pens, but my diet is been crap so u can see i lost much leaness but added size... bulking mode lol

[gixxerboy1]

Here is my thoughts.

gh is a slow process like everyone says. You wont see results right away from real gh. Real gh is expensive takes a long time to work for not real drastic results. Thats why for most people everyone used to say to stick to aas. So for the average guy. Yes you can spend your money better.

my other rant thoughts.
Then there came Chinese gh. It was for affordable and more people tried it. And it was good. Then it got more and more popular and everyone knew someone on it or that can get it. And that is what made the market bigger and more fakes and things went to shit. Also people want to see results 10 mins after injections for thier $. So now there is Chinese you can pick up dirt cheap. gives you side effects the first week so its got to be real crap.

[JuliusPleaser]

anyone else?

[hankdiesel]

Ive been on hgh from China for about 20 months. Totally changed my metabolism and I've made the best gains of my life.

[JuliusPleaser]

anymore people... is this all the people lol wtf

[ata1979]

definately interested in this thread, would like to see more input from the vets.

[LoneLifter]

Looking forward to more info myself....

[wmaousley]

Well I used Chinese for a while but came off because I wanted to save my money for western made gh. Cant really say much other than the sides, such as a little water retention, joint pain in the hands, and crazy dreams.

[marcus300]

On and off Ive used pharm grade and genetic hgh for close to 20yrs and pharm grade is far superior than any genetic gh coming out of China, this is not in question in my opinion.

With pharm grade gh the results come on slowly that's how real gh works its a long process but the results are amazing if you know how to manipulate the hgh around your aas cycles. Pharm grade was the key ingredient in transforming my body and generic dont even come close. With the generics there are many different experiences this is because they put in various chemicals into their so called gh. Many experience really bad sides and weight gain straight from the start and others start losing water/fat and experiencing tightness etc and many experience nothing more than a solid diet and intense training routine wouldn't give you.

They put various chemicals into the generic gh such as anti-diuretic hormones, AI's, IGF, ghrp and various other chemicals what we have never come across what will give you some kind of results and trick you into thinking you have real gh. It costs a small fortune to make real gh and do you really think your getting quality from some second rate lab what dont have a licence or governed to sell/make gh. Dont be fooled by the results and dont let the cheap price think your buying a bargain.

There shouldn't be any difference what so ever between pharm grade and generic gh, 10ius of gh should be 10ius not matter were its from, but in reality there is a huge difference and I am convinced generics are a complete waste of time and money nothing comes close to pharm grade.

This whole debate as been debated to death in the Chinese concerns thread and there are many stubborn generic users who wont take on board the concerns regarding generics because they dont want to believe they have been wasting their money for yrs and they are happy with the results. If people are happy using genetics you carry on but they really should try pharm grade for some length of time and experience what real gh can actually do. For me I wouldn't use generics again if they were free!

To answer your questions
Of course genetics play a huge part in how we develop, some guys just look at a weight and grow were others its a constant struggle to gain 1lb of tissue. You have to learn and understand how your body grows and experiment many different protocols and styles to find the one what gives you the results your after.

You shouldn't take anything until you have exhausted your natural potential, there is no easy way like many think there is. Diet and intense training are the building blocks we have to use, you get what you put into it. It doesn't come easy ive lived and breathed for yrs at great expense and cost to my personal life. All depends what your goals are and what your willing to risk to achieve them.

Again depends if you have exhausted your natural potential, no need to take a few ius for a few months when your naturally producing it, remember its a long term therapy. The choice is yours if you want to run gh under 30 yrs old and it also depends on your goals but it doesn't mean your not going to benefit from gh under 30 yrs old of course you will if your at that stage and level.

[juttsdm5]

Whats up bro, I def see a difference in your Build. You have leaned out all over. Def in your chest. I believe that even 30 is kind of to soon. you might be producing a lot of HGH naturally and with the pens you might be supressing that. who knows. All i know is nordis kick ass .

Ive got some before pics. And i cant wait to shoe the 6 month marc and the 1 year marc. its doing a whole lot.

ive never done generics, only Pharma

[yom]

lookin at your pics gh would be awaste except for better health by bein able to use less aas and healin injuries quicker. you r probably not happy as your phyisque is still small and u can make better improvements usin cheaper sups as test. when u get to 275lb at 7% then u will understand the importance of pharm gh

[hankdiesel]

You make some great points Marcus and it is definitely some food for thought. All I know is that during the offseason I was practically eating whatever I wanted with very little cardio and was extremely lean. I was never like that before starting "generic" hgh. I always had to watch carefully.

[JuliusPleaser]

i agree with marcus...i have yet to exhaust my genetic potential....tho i woudln't say im a "small" guy by any means, im bigger than most people, but im def not as big as a bodybuilder...

now lets say my natural GH is kicking now, and these are the results im getting... mind u, the pics on the LEFT are the most recent while the pics on the right are two years ago... so i have changed a lot, but my question is, when i start taking gh later in life, why would i get diff results than i am now?.... wouldn't it make more sense that id just go back to what im doing now ?

but i believe as much as i want to take GH and all that, its simply not needed for my goals... im sure it would help with life and all that and maybe i should just take 2ius for 100 years but i need to focus on diet and training...

i think most of you would agree with that, esp macrus....

[spywizard]

you are 27... a 39+ will get "significant" change.. you are still near enough to your max gh natural production (or you were before you started suppressing with the synth GH) and yep diet is more important than any supplement, or even training technique that a young person can do..

That's my 1st hand experience and what' I've read from medical studies and "BroOlogy"

[JuliusPleaser]

well i was just reading about doing GH EOD... i just shot 6ius of my pen just to see what would happens and holy crap i feel amazing LOL...it was all i had left before i would just stop... wow i feel amazing

i may just do 6ius EOD of pharm grade i believe would definate speed up gain in mass this winter lol.... wow i love it

so its either i do EOD 6iu for bulking or nothing... i would assume that 6ius EOD would definate work even at my age...

[marcus300]

i agree with marcus...i have yet to exhaust my genetic potential....tho i woudln't say im a "small" guy by any means, im bigger than most people, but im def not as big as a bodybuilder...

now lets say my natural GH is kicking now, and these are the results im getting... mind u, the pics on the LEFT are the most recent while the pics on the right are two years ago... so i have changed a lot, but my question is, when i start taking gh later in life, why would i get diff results than i am now?.... wouldn't it make more sense that id just go back to what im doing now ?

but i believe as much as i want to take GH and all that, its simply not needed for my goals... im sure it would help with life and all that and maybe i should just take 2ius for 100 years but i need to focus on diet and training...

i think most of you would agree with that, esp macrus....

If your goals are to be as big as possible and your using gh therapy to increase your lean muscle tissue then using at your age would be a huge benefit. Your natural gh output is nothing in comparison to your rhgh protocol.

[JuliusPleaser]

ok so ill do the 6iu EOD protocol... i think that is enough to see a BIG difference...

[marcus300]

6-8ius for at least 6 months will be needed to lean tissue gains

[JuliusPleaser]

well actually, would it be any different that taking 3iu ed...? the ius are the same amount, my quesiton would be, does the body respond differently to higher dosages at ONCE.... would 6iu EOD be diff than 3iu ED?....

i would assume its not different than taking Prop 50mg ed or prop 100mg eod... but then again studies show that GH does go in spurts, i wonder if the amount PER spurt actually determines the effects of growth ect...

[johnnbella]

I feel great on norditropin pins .im sleeping better and my hands arnt as sore anymore Ive been on a few weeks

[marcus300]

well actually, would it be any different that taking 3iu ed...? the ius are the same amount, my quesiton would be, does the body respond differently to higher dosages at ONCE.... would 6iu EOD be diff than 3iu ED?....

i would assume its not different than taking Prop 50mg ed or prop 100mg eod... but then again studies show that GH does go in spurts, i wonder if the amount PER spurt actually determines the effects of growth ect...

There are many different protocols and the E3D/EOD etc are meant to be used when cycling AAS along side your gh. If your after muscle tissue gains you will have to use 6-8ius + ed for at least 6 months

[JuliusPleaser]

well i would say 6iu eod plus gear would add lean tissue.... 6-8iu ed would make me grow broke even at my low ass prices lol

[marcus300]

well i would say 6iu eod plus gear would add lean tissue.... 6-8iu ed would make me grow broke even at my low ass prices lol

You need at least 6 - 8 ius + ed for at least 6 months to see any lean tissue gains.

[marcus300]

well i would say 6iu eod plus gear would add lean tissue.... 6-8iu ed would make me grow broke even at my low ass prices lol

You need at least 6 - 8 ius + ed for at least 6 months to see any lean tissue gains.

[JuliusPleaser]

damn lol... well then maybe ill just drop gh completely lol... thanks for your input marcuss

[gixxerboy1]

damn lol... well then maybe ill just drop gh completely lol... thanks for your input marcuss

thays why i said for the average guy its usually not worth it

[JuliusPleaser]

ur right but u know what, i did start it and i might as well experiement, im gonna just do 3ius ed for an entire year ... so thats what im gonna do... enough doubting myself...

[Markosterone]

why don't you just save the gh for when you are on cycle ? when you peak on cycle, hit the gh high dose for a month of whatever you got and be finished with it.
Thats what I would do, and will do for my next cycle. But i'm not on pharm grade hgh.

Anyway, I think you will get the most on if if you run it during AAS cycle, say 4-5 weeks in, and hit it high.

GL

[gixxerboy1]

why don't you just save the gh for when you are on cycle ? when you peak on cycle, hit the gh high dose for a month of whatever you got and be finished with it.
Thats what I would do, and will do for my next cycle. But i'm not on pharm grade hgh.

Anyway, I think you will get the most on if if you run it during AAS cycle, say 4-5 weeks in, and hit it high.

GL

thats not the correct way use gh and would be a complete waste

[Angel of death]

i was on yellowtops for 4 months or so and loved them but then lost my connect. now i have blue tops and ive been on about 3-4 weeks and i feel great / am sleeping so much better, i trust my source and im pretty positive this shit is real i know someone thats been on it for years with great results

[JuliusPleaser]

wel ive mentioned before, ihave given rips and hyges to my friends and they never complained about them... even my pics on the top right show changes being on a rips for 5ius for 6 months, but the thing is, should that have been 5ius of human grade, i would probably have had a 6 pack shredded to disgusting proportions..

my pens are expensive but i def FEEL the diff of them... i get my rips\hyges from THE source to get them from, which im sure everyone knows who and the reviews... the fact is, and what most people believe, they are underdosed, while others would believe they are not real at all which could be possible, however, mine are not the totaly fake ones because my people have had sides and like the kits...

but eveyrone LOVEs the pens no doubt no question

[Angel of death]

wel ive mentioned before, ihave given rips and hyges to my friends and they never complained about them... even my pics on the top right show changes being on a rips for 5ius for 6 months, but the thing is, should that have been 5ius of human grade, i would probably have had a 6 pack shredded to disgusting proportions..

my pens are expensive but i def FEEL the diff of them... i get my rips\hyges from THE source to get them from, which im sure everyone knows who and the reviews... the fact is, and what most people believe, they are underdosed, while others would believe they are not real at all which could be possible, however, mine are not the totaly fake ones because my people have had sides and like the kits...

but eveyrone LOVEs the pens no doubt no question

im not so sure man...all doctors say that generic drugs are essentially identical to pharmaceutical grade. if you have real hgh then you have real hgh. it works both ways in my opinion...just like how some stubborn people recieve fake blue tops and dont want to admit they wasted money, people who go the extra mile and buy pharm grade hgh want to believe its twice as good to justify spending that money. its a 2 way street my friend

[gixxerboy1]

im not so sure man...all doctors say that generic drugs are essentially identical to pharmaceutical grade. if you have real hgh then you have real hgh. it works both ways in my opinion...just like how some stubborn people recieve fake blue tops and dont want to admit they wasted money, people who go the extra mile and buy pharm grade hgh want to believe its twice as good to justify spending that money. its a 2 way street my friend

yes generics are the same in the real pharmaceutical world. They are made my real pharmaceutical companies.
We call no name hgh generics. They arent made my real pharm companies.
I guess in theory we should call them UGL HGH

[JuliusPleaser]

I'm just saying the pens are by no doubt totally legit without questioning or hoping u have real gh... i would sure hope that my rips and hyges are generic, which apprently all chinese gh is blue tops relabeled...like i said above, my people liked the rips and hyges...but ive read that a few years back the hyges were as potent as jins... many people believe that the chinese are now diluting our kits to make more profit since the demand is high, just like any drugs game...

i can careless if i have to admit wrong; as for my experience, you can feel more with the pens at a lower dosage... so either the generics are lower dosed, or they just are totally fake as others may claim...

we must realize, china is the greatest counterfiting country on earth, however, most of our UGL lab powders come from a chinese source, and my UGL lab is AMAZING... so i would have to say that not all chinese products are bad or counterfit....

it guess it comes down to personal experience... if i had amazing results with the rips at 5iu then i would have stayed... i am getting better results at the pharm grade with 2-3 ius...

i even took 10ius of rips per day at one point just to see... i got every bloated and lethargic... its up to your own experience...

i have heard Eli's were tested on 97% purity... if that is the case, great... take that... as for me, and my log i started which i have to update eventually, i grow tired of the back and forth constant readings...

and as many of you know, most people on boards just regurgitate information without any personal expirenece... all the guys i know personally who are top level, do not take ANYTHING UGL period, GH or GEAR... now the guys on their way up do take rips and UGL, but most just get personal friends who make blends...

i myself have made tren acetate from finaplix and that by far is the great drug to make on earth for me...

each man for themselves i would say, but in the end, as my source would always tell me, if its too cheap, then its cheap and i sure as hell wouldn't want to put cheap low quailty drugs in my body...

[Angel of death]

julius i respect that down to earth view on things...you're right there seems to be a lot of parroting going on here. im sure there are good generics and fake generics...at the end of the day it comes down to your source and how much you trust it