Time to take T4?

**Hondarocks** · 10-20-2011, 11:56 AM

Well I am up too 3iu's a day now. Is it time to start taking T4?

**gixxerboy1** · 10-20-2011, 12:11 PM

i would

**Hondarocks** · 10-20-2011, 01:12 PM

What will it do for me? I just did a blood test for thyroid, I will have the results by tomorrow and post them here so you guys can help me with dosage and so I dont fck myself up.

I know there is a long thread about it, please dont make me read it

Just sum it up for me plz

**marcus300** · 10-20-2011, 02:28 PM

Yes you will need to start taking it but seeing that you have just had your thyroid tested wait and see what your levels are, but with any gh therapy you will need to add some t4 IMHO.

**Hondarocks** · 10-20-2011, 02:39 PM

Can you tell me what its going to do for me?

**Mr_Prop_var_Testen** · 10-20-2011, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Yes you will need to start taking it but seeing that you have just had your thyroid tested wait and see what your levels are, but with any gh therapy you will need to add some t4 IMHO.

Will one have health issues if didn't add t4 or just better results?

**juttsdm5** · 10-22-2011, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Hondarocks

Can you tell me what its going to do for me?

Honda, you really need to do so more research on these chemicals your looking to use. This stuff can mess you up if you dont know what your doing.
If you cant tell us what it does you probably should take it. Check out the steroid profiles section of the main page and read up on it.

what are your goals ?

**Sgt. Hartman** · 10-22-2011, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Prop_var_Testen

Will one have health issues if didn't add t4 or just better results?

GH upregulates the conversion of T4 to T3 which will inhibit TSH and eventually cause hypothyroidism. Especially on 8iu per day, I wouldn't think of running GH without it.

Have you read this: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.TqOVS3NuHJw

It might take a few times of reading it to understand it but it's a great read and backed up upon further research IMO.

Even most of the GH US pharm grade web sites mention that supplementing GH can cause hypothyroidism.

**Hondarocks** · 10-23-2011, 01:21 PM

IM getting my thyroid results back tomorrow, I will post here, can you guys help me with dosing. After reading that, sounds like I am halving the effect of it so I need to start.. can you guys help me?

**Matt** · 10-23-2011, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Hondarocks

IM getting my thyroid results back tomorrow, I will post here, can you guys help me with dosing. After reading that, sounds like I am halving the effect of it so I need to start.. can you guys help me?

If your talking about the dosage of T4 then 100mcg ed will work...

**MASTERMIKE 48** · 10-23-2011, 01:34 PM

Matt I almost ordered some GH but don't know enough about it yet! Freaks the crap out of me actually! Lots to learn for sure!

**Hondarocks** · 10-23-2011, 02:29 PM

So what I am getting is taking GH can eventually cause hypothyroidism, but if you take T4, you eliminate that from happening?

**Hondarocks** · 10-23-2011, 05:25 PM

Ok I got some, when should is take it during the day?

**Sgt. Hartman** · 10-23-2011, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Hondarocks

So what I am getting is taking GH can eventually cause hypothyroidism, but if you take T4, you eliminate that from happening?

You really need to do your own reading on this man, but I'll give my opinion.

Yes, taking GH can cause hypothyroidism, pretty much every US pharm grade GH web site will list this in their precautions that the thyroid could be suppressed and should be monitored.

Supplementing T4 with your GH will cause a synergistic effect which IMO is like adding an iu or so when you're at a low GH dose.

However, taking T4 will suppress TSH (in my experience) but will optimize all other thyroid function ie. total T4, T3, and T3 uptake (conversion of T4 to T3)

In my research, the thyroid is very resilient and can and should recover rapidly, even when being suppressed by taking thyroxine for extended periods of time.

**Hondarocks** · 10-23-2011, 07:20 PM

I am reading more and more as we speak, but its been a month since I have been on the GH and just up'ed it to 3iu's. I figured after all the extenisve reviews and the article posted by Marcus, this is pretty important. My bro had some (Thyro Fit) on hand so I just took 50mcg's today, Ill do that for a week and then up to dosage to 100mcg's a day. I am pinning in the AM, so when should I take the Sythroid?

**Sgt. Hartman** · 10-23-2011, 07:40 PM

Some people say its best to take it first thing AM and some say before bed, I take mine when I pin first thing AM. More important than when you take it, is that you take it by itself and don't eat an hour on either side, not even coffee, as pretty much everything can interfere with the absorption of T4.

**Hondarocks** · 10-23-2011, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

Some people say its best to take it first thing AM and some say before bed, I take mine when I pin first thing AM. More important than when you take it, is that you take it by itself and don't eat an hour on either side, not even coffee, as pretty much everything can interfere with the absorption of T4.

Ok that works perfect cause that's when I pin.

**M302_Imola** · 10-24-2011, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

Some people say its best to take it first thing AM and some say before bed, I take mine when I pin first thing AM. More important than when you take it, is that you take it by itself and don't eat an hour on either side, not even coffee, as pretty much everything can interfere with the absorption of T4.

right on the money

**Hondarocks** · 10-24-2011, 11:37 AM

OK I just started taking 50mcg's a day, how long before I should work up to 100mcg's?

**gixxerboy1** · 10-24-2011, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Hondarocks

OK I just started taking 50mcg's a day, how long before I should work up to 100mcg's?

no need to work up just take the 100mcg.

That thryo fit is just supplements it is not comparable with t4

**Hondarocks** · 10-24-2011, 03:02 PM

Ok is Euthyrox (Levothyroxine T4) 50mcg 200 tabs real?
I got the thyro fit from a friend for free to hold me over. its made out of thyroxine sodium. what will it do?

**gixxerboy1** · 10-24-2011, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Hondarocks

Ok is Euthyrox (Levothyroxine T4) 50mcg 200 tabs real? Yes those are fine
I got the thyro fit from a friend for free to hold me over. its made out of thyroxine sodium. what will it do?

they thryo fit i just googled and it looked like all kids of plant roots and stuff. I wouldnt it count on it doing much

**Hondarocks** · 10-24-2011, 04:38 PM

Ok I just got my Thyroid panel back, it was 2.64 and my test was at 411ng. How does that sound?
And I ordered Ok is Euthyrox (Levothyroxine T4) 50mcg, is that the right stuff?

**SlimmerMe** · 10-24-2011, 05:40 PM

^^^ and your reference ranges?

looks to me like you might be a bit hypothyroid (low) as it is. ideally IMO it is better to get your TSH down below 2 and many docs do not prescibe for your level so a bit of t4 might actually help you. BUT I AM NOT a DOC! Also...Keep in mind your thyroid is not something you want to mess around with...so keep monitoring your BW please....
( remember tsh is read inversely as high means low and low means high)

note: assuming when you say thyroid you are talking about your TSH levels

**Hondarocks** · 10-26-2011, 02:58 PM

OK so 2.64 according to them was in the normal range..we all know doctors dont know shit

What should it be???

**Sgt. Hartman** · 10-26-2011, 07:43 PM

How old are you?

My reference range for TSH is .45 - 4.5 which would put you right in the middle.

You really need to have your total thyroxine, free thyroxine, and T3 uptake tested.

Just because your TSH is normal doesn't mean that your T hormones are at the correct levels.

**GOONBAH** · 10-26-2011, 10:02 PM

sorry to hi jack the thread but on the same topic, can u use t3 instead of t4 for the above mentioned reasons ?

**Hondarocks** · 10-26-2011, 11:16 PM

Dude make you own thread. dont put sorry to jack thread and then do it.

**Hondarocks** · 10-26-2011, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

How old are you?

My reference range for TSH is .45 - 4.5 which would put you right in the middle.

You really need to have your total thyroxine, free thyroxine, and T3 uptake tested.

Just because your TSH is normal doesn't mean that your T hormones are at the correct levels.

I am 29. I will get all those checked tomorrow.

**M302_Imola** · 10-27-2011, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by Hondarocks

I am 29. I will get all those checked tomorrow.

good deal...let us know.

**SlimmerMe** · 10-27-2011, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Hondarocks

OK so 2.64 according to them was in the normal range..we all know doctors dont know shit

What should it be???

With thyroid a lot also depends on symptoms. If you are fine then nothing to really be concerned about. It is when you have symptoms then the numbers need to be reviewed. I do know that they lowered the normal range for the TSH levels and some real hard core thyroid groups who are outspoken about thyroid being something docs kinda just gloss over, think that getting your TSH below 1 is even better. Again, a lot with symptoms. And getting all your thyroid BW is important especially if you are going to start messing around with it so you have a baseline.

**Hondarocks** · 11-07-2011, 08:28 PM

OK so got my t-4 in finally, Euthyrox 50ug.
Can I get by with 50mcg's or do I have to take 100?

**sizzlechest** · 11-08-2011, 06:13 PM

I take 125Ug in the morning on empty stomach and take 2 iu GH. I dont eat for about 45 mins to 1 hour. Once I took coffee with it and it made me jittery, maybe that the effect.

**Hondarocks** · 11-08-2011, 11:07 PM

DO I have to take that much though? Can I get by with 50-100mcg's? I dont want to over do it.

**sizzlechest** · 11-08-2011, 11:55 PM

my pills come in 125ug, i started at .4 and moved up to 125. They are greek pharma grade. Doing ok. I getting more from a doctor who lives in Germany. He is sending me the 200 ug ones. Ill let you know what happens.

**Hondarocks** · 11-09-2011, 09:14 PM

I got the 50ug ones from Turkey, they are Merk though. Im gonna stay on 50 for two week and then might bump it up to 100ug.

**SUPERMAN5039** · 11-10-2011, 02:43 PM

I read the thread it doesn't state that I can see at what dose of HGH that you should use t-4.

**Hondarocks** · 11-10-2011, 05:49 PM

OK so this is the third day on t-4 ar 50mcg's a day. Having a few sides, nervousness and anxiety, difficulty concentrating and hot flashes. Should I reduce the dosage to make the sides go away or should I continue at 50mcg's till my body gets used to it.

**Hondarocks** · 11-10-2011, 06:23 PM

Any advice, starting to freak me out, was feeling great on the GH, now with the T-4 not so well. Should I get off it?

**sizzlechest** · 11-10-2011, 07:36 PM

Are you using pharma grade? you cant mention brands here but where is the stuff from. I tried t3 a few years back and on 25 mcg it gave me those sides. Started Greek pharma T4 a few weeks back and they are 125 mcg. I ramped up slowly starting with a 1/4 of a pill. Im feeling fine. Cut down for a few days and stay away from stimulants, see what happens.