IGF-DES/IGF-LR3 Test Log

[jholl]

For those interested I will be keeping a brief log of the products shown in the picture below. I have IGF-DES, IGF-LR3, and MGF. I would like to run the LR3 and DES separately to make a better comparison, but I have decided to combine them, as I am going to be running them during PCT to help hold onto my progress. I will aim at 4-5 weeks for time on, training days only.



I have .6% acetic acid that I am using to reconstitute the peptides with. The vials are 1mg of each peptide and I am using 2ml of AA for each vial to help with getting a more accurate measurement. That will give me 500mcg of IGF for each ml.

I am also using 30 gauge 1/2" insulin pins for IM injects. I had 5/16" but those seem a little short making into some of the bigger muscle groups. Also, .5cc to help with more accurate measurements.

I tested the DES alone on calves already. I was in a hurry to try it out and so I did 80mcg split 4 ways into the inner and outer calves. I will say that it was very effective and I noticed my calves were very pumped up through the workout and all through the rest of the day.

I used the weekend to do some more research and decided to go with a daily dose of 50mcg of DES and 50mcg of LR3, both injected bilaterally into the muscle groups worked. I will inject the DES immediately pre-workout, and I will take pre-loaded pins to the gym so I can inject the LR3 immediately post-workout. If anyone has any questions or advice, feel free to let me know.

[ironaddict69]

I'll be following. I use LR3 myself this is my second run. I am primarily a strength athlete so my training is a tad different than most BB'ers on here, but I am curious to see how this goes for you.

[jholl]

So far, I am finding the DES to be very powerful used immediately pre-workout. I really like the effects so far. I'm getting great pumps in my workout and I feel like I am getting some site enhan***ent from the muscle groups injected. Here are my experiences for the week so far:

Day 1
Dosage and Site: 2x25mcg DES (Pecs Pre), 2x25mcg LR3 (Pecs Post)
Chest was pumped up entire workout and long after. I focused more on low to medium weight with higher reps and stricter form. I really liked the effects of the DES on chest. I kept a pretty wide grip on all barbell presses to really tax the chest and stretch the muscles out as much as I could. Immediately following, I injected the LR3 and when I got home I had a really difficult time taking my jacket off my chest was so pumped up.

Day 2
Dosage and Site: 2x25mcg DES (Quads Pre), 2x12.5mcg DES (Outer Calves Pre), 2x25mcg LR3 (Quads Post)
Quads were awesome. Once again I stuck with low to medium weight and much higher reps on really deep back squats. My legs really looked huge all throughout the workout. I feel this DES is working well because I've had some veins almost visible in my lower quads near my knees and they really started to show during this workout. Outer calves were the same deal, super pumped up and looking much bigger than normal, even the next day.

Day 3
Dosage and Site: 2x25mcg DES (Delts Pre), 2x12.5mcg DES (Inner Calves Pre), 2x100mcg MGF (Inner Calves Post)
All muscle groups were super pumped as per usual. The delts immediately starting filling up within minutes after injection. Inner calves were really good too.

So up until this point I hadn't fit the MGF into the equation. I did some intense research and as confusing as it has been trying to sort the injection-timing of these 3 peptides I think the MGF needs to be fit in immediately post workout, as opposed to the LR3. I accidentally ordered the non pegylated form of MGF, which has an extremely short half-life, and needs to be injected within minutes after the muscle is worked, when natural MGF levels are already elevated.

I am still working on the precise timing of when to add the LR3. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know. So far, I feel like a pin-cushion and using up a lot of insulin syringes, although it is not too bad. Many people say that there is no discomfort when injecting, but I have found all my injections to sting pretty bad, even with bacteriostatic water backloading. My syringes are 1/2cc so I may get some in 1cc that way there is more room to dilute. I am pretty pleased with the results so far, especially with the DES. My goal is to find optimal timing of when to inject the 3 compounds in order to achieve the best synergy.

[ironaddict69]

Dude mine sting as well, It's the acetic acid. You are doing a lot of injections but it will pay off. I have found that I usually do not need the 1/2" slin pins unless im hitting my quads.

[Razor]

Does that stuff really work?

[jholl]

Thanks man yea I'm just hoping to keep the majority of my gains from my AAS cycle and bring up some lagging muscle groups. Do you have any input on timing as far when you dose LR3?

Dude mine sting as well, It's the acetic acid. You are doing a lot of injections but it will pay off. I have found that I usually do not need the 1/2" slin pins unless im hitting my quads.

[jholl]

I like it so far. The DES provides some instant gratification that I've really liked so far. I'm expecting more gradual results from the LR3 and MGF but i will have to give it some time before I can give my opinion on the 2.

Does that stuff really work?

[Razor]

I like it so far. The DES provides some instant gratification that I've really liked so far. I'm expecting more gr from dual results from the LR3 and MGF but i will have to give it some time before I can give my opinion on the 2.

Im curious, what kind of instant gratification from Des and are you stacking with gh?

[jholl]

Unfortunately I am not stacking with GH although I think they would work great together. Actually this is kind of the reason why I am trying out these peptides: I've been ripped off a couple times on gh and haven't been able to get my hands on pharma so I decided to try this out considering it is much easier to get, and more legitimate (if you can't find pharma).

As far as the DES, you immediately notice more blood flow to the area injected. It is claimed to be 10 times as potent as LR3, but with a shorter half life (1 hour or so). So injected immediately preworkout into the muscle group trained gives you some pretty intense pumps and you feel way bigger and vascular all throughout your workout, and after. I would say it's good for bringing up lagging muscle groups, in my case I am focusing on calves. Not even a week in and I am pretty impressed.

Im curious, what kind of instant gratification from Des and are you stacking with gh?

[Razor]

OK im gonna try it and keep tabs on this thread as well!

[BIGGIE_smalls]

Jholl,

Thanks for your post. I look forward to your progress. I will be adding des & lr3 to my program very shortly... I've run lr3 before, but only for a month during pct. This time, it will be added to the current program I'm on now.

-Biggie

[Razor]

Unfortunately I am not stacking with GH although I think they would work great together. Actually this is kind of the reason why I am trying out these peptides: I've been ripped off a couple times on gh and haven't been able to get my hands on pharma so I decided to try this out considering it is much easier to get, and more legitimate (if you can't find pharma).

As far as the DES, you immediately notice more blood flow to the area injected. It is claimed to be 10 times as potent as LR3, but with a shorter half life (1 hour or so). So injected immediately preworkout into the muscle group trained gives you some pretty intense pumps and you feel way bigger and vascular all throughout your workout, and after. I would say it's good for bringing up lagging muscle groups, in my case I am focusing on calves. Not even a week in and I am pretty impressed.

How long will 1mg of DES last me?

[Razor]

Unfortunately I am not stacking with GH although I think they would work great together. Actually this is kind of the reason why I am trying out these peptides: I've been ripped off a couple times on gh and haven't been able to get my hands on pharma so I decided to try this out considering it is much easier to get, and more legitimate (if you can't find pharma).

As far as the DES, you immediately notice more blood flow to the area injected. It is claimed to be 10 times as potent as LR3, but with a shorter half life (1 hour or so). So injected immediately preworkout into the muscle group trained gives you some pretty intense pumps and you feel way bigger and vascular all throughout your workout, and after. I would say it's good for bringing up lagging muscle groups, in my case I am focusing on calves. Not even a week in and I am pretty impressed.

double post

[jholl]

1mg of DES will give you 1000mcg of reconstituted DES...I'm starting my dosing low, around 50mcgs per big muscle group (so 25mcg in each quad for example), and I'm doing 25mcg for smaller groups (so 12.5mcg in each outer calve muscle for example). At this dosing I would say 1mg would last you about 15-20 days, depending on how many muscle groups you hit per day.

How long will 1mg of DES last me?

[Razor]

1mg of DES will give you 1000mcg of reconstituted DES...I'm starting my dosing low, around 50mcgs per big muscle group (so 25mcg in each quad for example), and I'm doing 25mcg for smaller groups (so 12.5mcg in each outer calve muscle for example). At this dosing I would say 1mg would last you about 15-20 days, depending on how many muscle groups you hit per day.

How much water do you add and what kind...sterile....bac or act?

[jholl]

You want to use AA water to reconstitute the IGF and then you want to use BAC water to backload the syringe so the AA does not sting as badly. When reconstituting the IGF, I used 2mls of AA water. You can use 1ml, but it's much easier to get accurate measurements with 2mls or even 3mls would work. If you go with 1ml, then you will have 1000mcgs in 1ml of solution, so every 1iu mark on a 1cc insulin pin will give you 100mcgs of igf. With 2mls of AA water, you have 500mcgs of igf per ml. So, in turn, each 1iu mark will yield 50mcgs of igf. It's kind of a pain at first, just because the amount of igf is so small. Once you draw your igf, just backload the rest of the syringe with BAC water. It will help ease the sting of AA a bit.

[jholl]

For those following, I did some more research and I think I have my timing protocol down. I'm going to be injecting the 3 as follows and see how it goes:

1) DES - Immediately Pre-workout
2) MGF (non peg) - Immediately Post-workout
3) LR3 - Roughly 1 hour after MGF

This is the best route I have found so far. If anyone has any suggestions, feel free to let me know. And for the record I am pretty sure the DES in combination with the AA is what is causing the intense stinging. 12.5mcgs of DES is much more painful to inject than 25mcgs of LR3, both reconstituted in the same ratio of AA and backloaded with the same amount of BAC water.

[Hooper91]

I'll be following. I use LR3 myself this is my second run. I am primarily a strength athlete so my training is a tad different than most BB'ers on here, but I am curious to see how this goes for you.

I am female strength athlete i currently using igf and adding pegmgf . The results from igf are very good so far.

[gixxerboy1]

you can use just bw on igf or des, You dont have to use the AA

[madds87]

Subbed and very interested

[jholl]

I've read where some say you can and some say it degrades the igf slowly if you don't use it up fast enough. I don't know the science behind it or which was the right answer so I just decided to play it safe and go with the AA and dilute with bw...

you can use just bw on igf or des, You dont have to use the AA