bloodwork after 6m0s gh usage

**freak1** · 03-14-2012, 11:05 AM

my freind just got his bloodwork bak after 6mos 3ius ed of serostim .any advice is appreicated.he wanted to start t4 but looks like his tsh is already low.on a sidenote he says he hasnt lost much fat yet

igf1 573 (130-330)
tsh .8 (.38-5.5)
t4 15.4 (10.5-20)
t3 5.1 (3.5-6.5)

**DanB** · 03-14-2012, 11:08 AM

The bloods look good to me, some may say borderline hyperthyroidism but I doubt those would be the ranges minus the gh

Does he eat like crap if he hasnt lost much fat?

**gixxerboy1** · 03-14-2012, 11:20 AM

bloods look good. im surprised at 6 months he hasnt seen fat loss

**freak1** · 03-14-2012, 04:22 PM

ya me too.he says he doesnt eat like crap but i cnt vouge for tht lol.i and alwasy thought gh suppressed your thyroid so thats why we implement t4?so by these #s does that mean he dosent need t4?

**soulstealer** · 03-14-2012, 08:47 PM

Something else is going on here... His diet is shit and doesnt know it or his training is shit and doesnt know it lol.... 3 iu's of serostim would let me eat far more and keep my bodyfat low... IGF levels are high... he should be seeing a little muscle growth too....

His sero might be counterfeit

**Sgt. Hartman** · 03-14-2012, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by freak1

ya me too.he says he doesnt eat like crap but i cnt vouge for tht lol.i and alwasy thought gh suppressed your thyroid so thats why we implement t4?so by these #s does that mean he dosent need t4?

If his thyroid function were suppressed his TSH levels would be high not low.

**Batman81** · 03-14-2012, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by soulstealer

Something else is going on here... His diet is shit and doesnt know it or his training is shit and doesnt know it lol.... 3 iu's of serostim would let me eat far more and keep my bodyfat low... IGF levels are high... he should be seeing a little muscle growth too....

His sero might be counterfeit

I thought the same thing about his Gh being fake but why would igf numbers be high?

Originally Posted by freak1

my freind just got his bloodwork bak after 6mos 3ius ed of serostim .any advice is appreicated.he wanted to start t4 but looks like his tsh is already low.on a sidenote he says he hasnt lost much fat yet

igf1 573 (130-330)
tsh .8 (.38-5.5)
t4 15.4 (10.5-20)
t3 5.1 (3.5-6.5)

How old is he and how much does he weight?

**Hazard** · 03-14-2012, 10:11 PM

His IGF levels don't seem all THAT high to me.....

There is a fake serostim going around too......

~Haz~

**Brohim** · 03-14-2012, 10:45 PM

Tell him to inject 8iu and do a growth hormone serum draw 4 hours later.

**freak1** · 03-14-2012, 11:41 PM

thx for all your input guys

-st hartman yes i knw his tsh would be high if thyroid was supreessed .the question is doesnt gh suppress ur thyroid from what i have read?
-soulstealer yes he says he has gained some muscle
-batman hes 36 210lbs bf prob low to mid 20s
-hazard you find those levels low from 3 ius?his starting level was low 200s and hes alsmot double the high reference zone

srry guys on a side note i think the main prob and i forgot to mention in my origianl post is that when he started he was mid to high 20s bf % and as ive told him its hrd to notice fat loss when your starting so high.its prob more when u get to around say 15% and started gh than you will notice it alot more cause ur defintion will start to show.the way he is right now he just has too much fat still.

but my main question is do you think running t4 is needed here or will help since his thyroid doesnt really look suppreessed ?

**Razor** · 03-15-2012, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Hazard

His IGF levels don't seem all THAT high to me.....

There is a fake serostim going around too......

~Haz~

Fcking cant get anything legit anymore even serono dammit

**M302_Imola** · 03-15-2012, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by Razr.

Fcking cant get anything legit anymore even serono dammit

lol, you frustrated buddy? I agree though, way to much fake shit around these days...fuking theives!!!

Originally Posted by freak1

thx for all your input guys

-st hartman yes i knw his tsh would be high if thyroid was supreessed .the question is doesnt gh suppress ur thyroid from what i have read?
-soulstealer yes he says he has gained some muscle
-batman hes 36 210lbs bf prob low to mid 20s
-hazard you find those levels low from 3 ius?his starting level was low 200s and hes alsmot double the high reference zone

srry guys on a side note i think the main prob and i forgot to mention in my origianl post is that when he started he was mid to high 20s bf % and as ive told him its hrd to notice fat loss when your starting so high.its prob more when u get to around say 15% and started gh than you will notice it alot more cause ur defintion will start to show.the way he is right now he just has too much fat still.

but my main question is do you think running t4 is needed here or will help since his thyroid doesnt really look suppreessed ?

So TSH is not supressed and T3 and T4 numbers look to be about mid range so I see no need to supplement with T4. That being said, he could throw in 100mcg T4 to help shed some of the fat along side the GH.

**freak1** · 03-15-2012, 12:14 PM

thx imola.that was my main concern as he does want to shed some more fat.

**Razor** · 03-15-2012, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by M302_Imola

lol, you frustrated buddy? I agree though, way to much fake shit around these days...fuking theives!!!

Yea I get frustrated at times

**Sgt. Hartman** · 03-15-2012, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by freak1

thx for all your input guys

-st hartman yes i knw his tsh would be high if thyroid was supreessed .the question is doesnt gh suppress ur thyroid from what i have read?
-soulstealer yes he says he has gained some muscle
-batman hes 36 210lbs bf prob low to mid 20s
-hazard you find those levels low from 3 ius?his starting level was low 200s and hes alsmot double the high reference zone

srry guys on a side note i think the main prob and i forgot to mention in my origianl post is that when he started he was mid to high 20s bf % and as ive told him its hrd to notice fat loss when your starting so high.its prob more when u get to around say 15% and started gh than you will notice it alot more cause ur defintion will start to show.the way he is right now he just has too much fat still.

but my main question is do you think running t4 is needed here or will help since his thyroid doesnt really look suppreessed ?

Probably a low dose of 3iu wasn't enough to suppress his thyroid but it is in some people.

I agree with Imola, nothing wrong with adding T4 to aid in fat loss. It should enhance the effects of the GH also, although it will lower his TSH further.