Blue tops giving me red welts and golf sized bumps for 2-3 days post injection

**trackstar19** · 07-14-2012, 10:37 AM

Hey guys, long time lurker first time poster. Big fan of the board.

So i've been using blue tops for the past 2.5 weeks now and after every injection i am getting big red welts with golf ball sized lumps underneath that tend to stick around for 2-3 days. From my research i've noticed some saw it could be 192aa as a lot more people tend to have similar reactions to that. I'd like to think this is 191aa though (it's supposed to be at least).

I also saw some saying it could be the impurities in the HGH, or an allergic reaction to an additive the chinese might be using that helps keep the HGH stable at room temperature for longer to make it keep it's potency while in transit from over there.

Any thoughts? I'm going to keep running it and hope the welts stop happening, it's getting hard to enjoy the beach weather with these guys all over my stomach. On the bright side i believe this is real hgh... it has me holding more water, CTS, numb/tingly fingers and arms especially when sleeping, vivid dreams, very sleepy throughout the day, etc.

Thanks guys for any input you might have!

**gixxerboy1** · 07-14-2012, 10:38 AM

sorry but its not bio available gh. Its whatever random unknown chemical that your are injection. I would stop using them

**trackstar19** · 07-14-2012, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

sorry but its not bio available gh. Its whatever random unknown chemical that your are injection. I would stop using them

Damn, you think? :/ I definitely have been concerned seeing as golf ball sized welts don't exactly seem safe or like a good thing to see popping up everywhere.

The reasons I think it is real HGH (albeit likely not very pure) is the fact that i gave my buddy 300iu's of this stuff and it definitely seemed to have leaned him out a bit, and all the side effects i'm experiencing seem like the HGH side effects to the T. Could they find a way to mimic all those sides without it being hgh? ( the CTS, water retention, feeling sleepy, numb/tingly hands, vivid dreams, etc?)

I appreciate the response bro! What type of gixxer you ride? 05 kawi zx10r here.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-14-2012, 11:03 AM

yes, i will guarantee they arent gh. Some have peptides in them. some are stimulants that will give you weight loss. so you do get some "results" but its not gh. So there is no sense paying the price tag for gh when you are getting something else. and the problem is you dont know what you are getting or how much of it you are taking

**trackstar19** · 08-26-2012, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

yes, i will guarantee they arent gh. Some have peptides in them. some are stimulants that will give you weight loss. so you do get some "results" but its not gh. So there is no sense paying the price tag for gh when you are getting something else. and the problem is you dont know what you are getting or how much of it you are taking

Well bro figure i'd give an update. I've been on this stuff for a little over 2 months now. The red welts have stopped happening luckily, and i have been seeing positive results. All fingers point towards it being real by the effects and side effects i'm noticing (finger/toe nails growing like crazy, great sleep even while on tren , crazy wrist pumps during my workouts, tingly hands/feet in the morning and night, random aches and pains in my joints at times, full pumps throughout the day, getting noticeably leaner, etc.)

That being said... like you said... it could just be peptides that mimic the effects of GH. Although if that is the case, and i am getting results still, i'm not overly complaining to be honest. I can't wait until there are cheap legit options of hgh out there and easier methods of testing it to be certain it is dosed accurately and actually what it's supposed to be. Tempted to get my igf-1 levels tested soon just to give myself some slight peace of mind

**Angel of death** · 08-27-2012, 03:01 PM

I wouldn't be so sure they're fake. The one time I had legit GH they were yellow tops and gave me those exact welts for the first 2 weeks and then they just went away. I was saw amazing results with that shit but lost my source and never got a good source again =(

Moral of the story, they could easily be real. I heard of a lot of people getting these welts as their bodies adjusted

**largerthannormal** · 08-30-2012, 10:19 AM

i read something today written by a chemist who deals with peptides and explained all about the red welts at injection site due to the bacteria in gh. ( which all gh has even high end pharm grades) due to some scientific reason it all can not be extracted and he said its not to worry about.. if you need i can see if i can back track and find the write up

**Razor** · 08-30-2012, 11:29 AM

fakes stop using them

**Sheven** · 08-30-2012, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

i read something today written by a chemist who deals with peptides and explained all about the red welts at injection site due to the bacteria in gh. ( which all gh has even high end pharm grades) due to some scientific reason it all can not be extracted and he said its not to worry about.. if you need i can see if i can back track and find the write up

Since HGH is made by bacteria fermentation (Escherichia Coli) in a big reaction tank, one of the final steps of the production is the purification and elimination of this bacteria. Sometimes it fails and thus leading to bacteria in the end product. Unfortunately, most manufacturers don't throw away this error batches (which happen even in europea or us pharma grade by the way), but they still market this products. The price of the GH in Europe & USA is not just because they want to rip off everyone for heavy bucks but because the industry of biopharmaceuticals is very sensitive and a lot of things can do work (they are working with live organism) and it happens for them to have big losses (a whole reaction tank worth 500.000$ of raw material can go wrong) then they have to bear that cost. In China, they don't have this business model and will sell the product even if not proper. No big deal but...

**trackstar19** · 08-30-2012, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Angel of death

I wouldn't be so sure they're fake. The one time I had legit GH they were yellow tops and gave me those exact welts for the first 2 weeks and then they just went away. I was saw amazing results with that shit but lost my source and never got a good source again =(

Moral of the story, they could easily be real. I heard of a lot of people getting these welts as their bodies adjusted

I really do think this is real, I'm essentially getting all the sides and benefits associated with GH. I've even noticed my skin seeming to have more of a 'glow' to it so to speak. No longer getting any random acne from the tren I'm on, and my face appears less 'oily'.

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

i read something today written by a chemist who deals with peptides and explained all about the red welts at injection site due to the bacteria in gh. ( which all gh has even high end pharm grades) due to some scientific reason it all can not be extracted and he said its not to worry about.. if you need i can see if i can back track and find the write up

Wow that is really interesting, I wasn't aware that is how it works. If you could find that write up i'd love to read it. If not no worries bro

Originally Posted by Razor

fakes stop using them

You think? What's your reasoning? (Not disagreeing with you, i'd just like to know your reasoning behind it). My finger nails are growing faster than ever before, i'm leaning out, crazy dreams, retaining a few lbs of water, getting numb hands/feet/arms especially at night and in the morning. Pretty bad CTS at times. Wrists get swollen towards end of workout and ruin my grip strength. Feeling better over all. If it's fakes I'm impressed with whatever it is i'm taking.

Originally Posted by Sheven

Since HGH is made by bacteria fermentation (Escherichia Coli) in a big reaction tank, one of the final steps of the production is the purification and elimination of this bacteria. Sometimes it fails and thus leading to bacteria in the end product. Unfortunately, most manufacturers don't throw away this error batches (which happen even in europea or us pharma grade by the way), but they still market this products. The price of the GH in Europe & USA is not just because they want to rip off everyone for heavy bucks but because the industry of biopharmaceuticals is very sensitive and a lot of things can do work (they are working with live organism) and it happens for them to have big losses (a whole reaction tank worth 500.000$ of raw material can go wrong) then they have to bear that cost. In China, they don't have this business model and will sell the product even if not proper. No big deal but...

Eh if it means I can buy real hgh with bacteria in it for a fraction of the cost of pharm grade stuff i'm not complaining. I'll likey do the HGH serum test soon just to give myself more peace of mind.

I appreciate everyones input! Been using AAS for 7 years off and on, but am entirely new to the HGH/Peptide game.

**gixxerboy1** · 08-30-2012, 12:48 PM

because they have been proven as fake many times. At best you got peptides.

**largerthannormal** · 08-30-2012, 01:05 PM

Heres your read buddy

12-30-2011, 07:25 AM #1
juicyjohnny
juicyjohnny is offline Junior Member juicyjohnny is a member in good standing

Join Date
Sep 2011
Posts
75

home hgh authenticity test

As a molecular biochemist that routinely works with Peptides I can tell you guys a simple test that you can do at home to see if your HGH is the real deal. Also, for those of you that have red welts, itching, and sore spots at injection sites, I will explain here briefly what is likely going on.

You all know the hcg test with the pregnancy strips so I won't go into that. To test you HGH, 1. Reconstitute it. 2. Bring a pot of water to a boil. 3. Put your HGH vial (which you are sacrificing) into the boiling water for 2 min. 4. Look to see if the solution turns milky/cloudy white.

If your HGH is real it will turn cloudy/milky white after this procedure.

5. Let the vial set aside at room temperature for one day. 6. If the solution becomes clear again and you don't see any milkyness then the HGH is fake.

Posted below is a COA obtained from a large manufacturer. Note the contaminants that are commonly found in HGH powders and their threshold limit values per WHO regulations. HGH is produced through recombinant gene expression in e.coli bacteria. These bacteria produce a lot of toxins in the manufacturing process that are painstakingly removed from the HGH whilst maintaining HGH in its active form.

Depending on the quality of the isolation process varying amounts of these toxins will be present in the powder. Even the most expensive HGH preparations will contain at least some of these toxins. These bacterial produced toxins are likely the cause of many of the skin reactions reported here as they are triggers for the bodies immune response. They are nothing to worry about so long as they are not present in any lethal quantity which they are nowhere near.

Hope that clears things up for everyone.

**gixxerboy1** · 08-30-2012, 01:09 PM

its been discredited many times. That test does not prove gh is real

**trackstar19** · 08-30-2012, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

because they have been proven as fake many times. At best you got peptides.

Again, not disagreeing with you at all. Would the peptides mimic/have all the same effects as HGH? (serious question, i'm not well versed at all in this area)

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

Heres your read buddy

12-30-2011, 07:25 AM #1
juicyjohnny
juicyjohnny is offline Junior Member juicyjohnny is a member in good standing

Join Date
Sep 2011
Posts
75

home hgh authenticity test

As a molecular biochemist that routinely works with Peptides I can tell you guys a simple test that you can do at home to see if your HGH is the real deal. Also, for those of you that have red welts, itching, and sore spots at injection sites, I will explain here briefly what is likely going on.

You all know the hcg test with the pregnancy strips so I won't go into that. To test you HGH, 1. Reconstitute it. 2. Bring a pot of water to a boil. 3. Put your HGH vial (which you are sacrificing) into the boiling water for 2 min. 4. Look to see if the solution turns milky/cloudy white.

If your HGH is real it will turn cloudy/milky white after this procedure.

5. Let the vial set aside at room temperature for one day. 6. If the solution becomes clear again and you don't see any milkyness then the HGH is fake.

Posted below is a COA obtained from a large manufacturer. Note the contaminants that are commonly found in HGH powders and their threshold limit values per WHO regulations. HGH is produced through recombinant gene expression in e.coli bacteria. These bacteria produce a lot of toxins in the manufacturing process that are painstakingly removed from the HGH whilst maintaining HGH in its active form.

Depending on the quality of the isolation process varying amounts of these toxins will be present in the powder. Even the most expensive HGH preparations will contain at least some of these toxins. These bacterial produced toxins are likely the cause of many of the skin reactions reported here as they are triggers for the bodies immune response. They are nothing to worry about so long as they are not present in any lethal quantity which they are nowhere near.

Hope that clears things up for everyone.

Thanks man I appreciate you finding it for me! Definitely makes me feel more at ease about it all.

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

its been discredited many times. That test does not prove gh is real

The milky/cloudy vial test? I've heard it's not an effective method either, some US pharma grade HGH doesnt turn milky/cloudy and some of the fakes do turn cloudy despite being fake. At least I believe that's what I read on either this board or another board a few months back

**largerthannormal** · 08-30-2012, 02:08 PM

no problem

**Razor** · 08-30-2012, 03:31 PM

Real gh does not give you welts and the sides you are describing

**Sheven** · 08-30-2012, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Razor

Real gh does not give you welts and the sides you are describing

real gh doesn't give you the below?

it has me holding more water, CTS, numb/tingly fingers and arms especially when sleeping, vivid dreams, very sleepy throughout the day, etc.

what does then? and what does gh give then ?

**Sheven** · 08-30-2012, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Razor

if gixx says its fake..its fake..end of discussion

So glad we have you around the board Razor, you are definitely a true asset.

1). Have it crossed your mind guys that it could be a sterility/pyrogenity problem since the lyophilization needs to be made in aseptic conditions is extremely easy to mess it up?

2). Have it cross your mind that maybe the "gh" can be contaminated during production and the refining process didn't remove all the living bacteria?

You are practically saying that if my testosterone propionate injection is giving me an infection, "Hey...that's not real testo prop"

Give me a break, this pseudoscience bullshit is the cause people get scammed over and over again. Either you prove facts with a MALDI-DS and Mass Fingerprint or else give the reason of doubt, this mixing vials blurry shit he said she said is all crap and worth nothing.

**Sgt. Hartman** · 08-30-2012, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Razor

ALL your fancy talk means nothing less you got the real thing which apparently I Do Bro
SO here is some Gear porn for you to dream about. This how I roll

when you have access to this stuff then come talk to me about real gh, until then keep your mouth shut and stop telling people they are taking real gh when they are not. I know what real gh is bro...you dont

I dont know how things are in Russia, but this is America.
Our job here is to keep people from wasting there money on fakes. So go find some other tree to bark up and stop misleading people thinking they are talking real gh when they are not.

Seriously generic blue tops?? Only blue tops I know that are legit is Serostim

Did you even read what Gixxer said??? Well read it again then

Aside from it being very stupid to post pics like that on here, you're arguing with somebody who isn't necessarily disagreeing with you on the fact the the blue tops are fake.

I respect Gix and he's a valued staff member here but "because Gix says so" is about as ignorant argument as I've ever heard.

Reread Sheven's posts, he never says he thinks that the blue tops are real GH......he's just disputing your flawed reasoning regarding sides. When I inject pharm grade GH into my lower abdomen I sometimes get a balled up area at injection site and welt up.

**Razor** · 08-30-2012, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

Aside from it being very stupid to post pics like that on here, you're arguing with somebody who isn't necessarily disagreeing with you on the fact the the blue tops are fake.

I respect Gix and he's a valued staff member here but "because Gix says so" is about as ignorant argument as I've ever heard.

Reread Sheven's posts, he never says he thinks that the blue tops are real GH......he's just disputing your flawed reasoning regarding sides. When I inject pharm grade GH into my lower abdomen I sometimes get a balled up area at injection site and welt up.

since when is is stupid or not allowed to post pics of gear, as I recall the rules changed and you can post pics of whatever gear you want. but fine if its that big a deal ill take them down.

**Sgt. Hartman** · 08-30-2012, 08:18 PM

Oh it's not against the rules at all, just doesn't seem like a very good idea to post pics of that much gear imo.

**Razor** · 08-30-2012, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

Oh it's not against the rules at all, just doesn't seem like a very good idea to post pics of that much gear imo.

The point I was trying to prove to him, is I know what real gh is, cause I've had it all..and had pics to prove it.."pics or it didn't happen" is the board motto right? and I've posted those pics before, no one had a problem with them until now. I don't want to see another person waste money on fake stuff. I think I've had more than my fair share of pharma grade than most people on the board besides gixxer and marcus possibly. I respect their opinion, if they says it's bunk..well I believe him.

**Sgt. Hartman** · 08-30-2012, 08:40 PM

Btw OP, the welts/lumps I get from lower abdomen injections only last for several minutes, not a few days.

**lightweight11** · 08-30-2012, 08:44 PM

I ran blues about a year ago and believe they were legit. I had all the associated sides and some nIce fat loss without really changing my diet. I contacted my source recently with all this fake talk going around and he still said all his hgh Is good to go. No one on the boards are complaInIng about hIs product qualIty eIther. Im apprehensIve now to order more. I definitely agree that there is fakes out there but to say they are all fake besides pharma grade is a stretch in my opinion.

**Razor** · 08-30-2012, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by lightweight11

I ran blues about a year ago and believe they were legit. I had all the associated sides and some nIce fat loss without really changing my diet. I contacted my source recently with all this fake talk going around and he still said all his hgh Is good to go. No one on the boards are complaInIng about hIs product qualIty eIther. Im apprehensIve now to order more. I definitely agree that there is fakes out there but to say they are all fake besides pharma grade is a stretch in my opinion.

Hey well good for you. Hope it continues

**lightweight11** · 08-30-2012, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Razor

Hey well good for you. Hope it continues

Yeah I just don't know if I want to risk the money on another 6 month run. I know his aas are g2g so maybe I'll just invest in that and wait out this whole gh situation.

**Sheven** · 08-31-2012, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

Aside from it being very stupid to post pics like that on here, you're arguing with somebody who isn't necessarily disagreeing with you on the fact the the blue tops are fake.

I respect Gix and he's a valued staff member here but "because Gix says so" is about as ignorant argument as I've ever heard.

Reread Sheven's posts, he never says he thinks that the blue tops are real GH......he's just disputing your flawed reasoning regarding sides. When I inject pharm grade GH into my lower abdomen I sometimes get a balled up area at injection site and welt up.

This guy Razor is claiming he has used pharma grade all his life and then refuting the most common side effects as "not gh side-effects". Razor is a troll look at his last 20 posts in this forum is nothing about science or argument talk, he spreads bullshit and chit-chat. Razor, this thread is a to big hat for you to wear, come back when you really have any idea what you're talking about and when you can really help the thread, not just mess it up.

**Razor** · 08-31-2012, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Sheven

This guy Razor is claiming he has used pharma grade all his life and then refuting the most common side effects as "not gh side-effects". Razor is a troll look at his last 20 posts in this forum is nothing about science or argument talk, he spreads bullshit and chit-chat. Razor, this thread is a to big hat for you to wear, come back when you really have any idea what you're talking about and when you can really help the thread, not just mess it up.

Sorry man I'm having a rough week

You make valid points and seem like a good guy who knows his stuff

I'm very distraut about all the fakes going round.. I'll pm you.