Lantus and Ostarine log

[bobtail]

Back in the gym this week. I trust everyone had a good Holiday season! I took 2 weeks off which is typical in DC protocols and maintained the weight gained from the "4 week Ostarine Bulking Cycle" previous posted.
Current Stats:
56 yo
5'10"
222 pounds
20% bfp
10+ years training
Competitive bodybuilder and powerlifter
More cycles than I could ever count

The goal of this cycle is to gain to over 230. Should be easy enough!
5/3/1 Dogg template for training.
3 training days per week.
hypo caloric diet with plenty of carbs

Supps:
Kre-Alkalyn - 2 caps/day
DAA - 5g/day

Med Protocol:
10IU of Lantus daily AM
20mg MPR Ostarine at lunch
Androgel 1.62% - 2 squirts/day

I've been doing this for a couple of days so I can give you some observations.
First, Lantus makes you hungry all the time which is a very good thing for me. This is a super low dose but after the Monday workout, I started to go hypo. I was training on an empty stomach and had not been eating much in the past week so that is most likely the cause. I shoot my wife up with 47 iu of the stuff nightly and she is fine (type 2 diabetic) so it was just a fluke of not eating well. Just scarfed down my shake and things got back to normal in 10-15 minutes. Nothing serious. I'm going to check my BGL after workout tonight just in case. Though I've never tried Lantus before, I'm very experienced with slin. BTW: I keep a soda in my gym bag just in case.
The idea is to try to raise the Lantus dosage by 5iu per week until I hit 40iu. I'm monitoring the AM bgl to make sure it doesn't fall below 70. I might not up it for the first 2 weeks to get use to the stuff.
The MPR Ostarine is a welcome relief from choking down that horrible liquid from UC. I got the 20mg caps which are just red capsules with powder in them. I've heard from many people that they are gtg so we'll find out. No noticeable sides so far. Not even that typical nausea after taking the stuff. I always suspected that was caused by whatever solvent UC used.
The UK guys use Lantus to great affect. In some ways it seems much safer than fast acting stuff.
This is going to be fun! I'll keep you guys posted!

[gixxerboy1]

Why would u use lantis? Its probably rhe worst choice of slin. Your not as educated as you think. Using a 24 hour slin

[EarlyMuscles]

Why not some Humalin R? I'm planning on a cycle of that myself

[bobtail]

I generally run Humalin R and Humolog if I can get it (have for years and years). But I had some Lantus and know a couple of pros (personally) who use it. The guys in the UK are using it like crazy and growing some BEASTS!
There are some downsides for sure. Your diet has to be impecable or you'll get fat, it's expensive and not over the counter in the USA, and you have to use a good bit more of it to have the desired effect. But the upside is that it's safer and more effective at mass building.
My advice would be to start out with Humalin R, start just post workout, and not exceed more than 5-6iu to start. Just take 3iu the first time to get a feel for it. I don't have to tell you about the carbs you need blah, blah.
Insulin can be safe and very effective at gaining mass. Just some common sense and you should be fine.

[gixxerboy1]

How is it safer if its active for 24 hours

[bobtail]

Not here to argue, just here to post my experience. Read it or don't. Makes no difference to me.

[gixxerboy1]

Not here to argue, just here to post my experience. Read it or don't. Makes no difference to me.

well your trying to tell other members that lantis is safer and more effective then humiln r. So how did you come up with that, other people may take your advice with out knowing better.

[bobtail]

Check the BGL after working out tonight. Solid 82.

[bobtail]

OK. I figured everybody had Google but if not here's the idea:
1. Lantus has no peak. Unlike Humalin R which peaks in 1-2 hours, Lantus has a flat response.
2. It's so long acting that you would have to be a complete retard to go hypo. I guess that makes me either a complete retard or I mis-diagnosed my symptoms Monday. My wife who is only diagnosed pre-diabetic takes 47iu before bed with no issues at all. The shit is safe!
3. It supposedly binds to the IGF-1 receptors even better than regular insulin. That's what we want.
4. Longer acting means we should be shuttling nutrients for 22 hours. I sip EAAs mixed with water all day.
Does it work better than Humalin or Humolog? Hell if I know! That's why I'm doing this. To find out!
How about you guys on this board actually try some of this stuff instead of telling vets how stupid they are?

[gixxerboy1]

OK. I figured everybody had Google but if not here's the idea:
1. Lantus has no peak. Unlike Humalin R which peaks in 1-2 hours, Lantus has a flat response.
2. It's so long acting that you would have to be a complete retard to go hypo. I guess that makes me either a complete retard or I mis-diagnosed my symptoms Monday. My wife who is only diagnosed pre-diabetic takes 47iu before bed with no issues at all. The shit is safe!
3. It supposedly binds to the IGF-1 receptors even better than regular insulin. That's what we want.
4. Longer acting means we should be shuttling nutrients for 22 hours. I sip EAAs mixed with water all day.
Does it work better than Humalin or Humolog? Hell if I know! That's why I'm doing this. To find out!
How about you guys on this board actually try some of this stuff instead of telling vets how stupid they are?

funny since you are telling a vet who is a diabetic and uses lantus daily

[bobtail]

Points 1 and 2. Super long acting with no peaks. I'm not saying you can't go hypo but you really, really have to try.

[bobtail]

Well why the **** didn't you say so instead of beating around the bush?

[gixxerboy1]

Points 1 and 2. Super long acting with no peaks. I'm not saying you can't go hypo but you really, really have to try.

actually it would be easier, especially while you are asleep and fasting. Which is a hell of alot more dangerous.

[gixxerboy1]

Well why the **** didn't you say so instead of beating around the bush?

i wanted to see why you thought it was safer. You threw it out there not me.

[bobtail]

So the endo telling my wife to take it prior to bed is bullshit? Is that what your saying?

[gixxerboy1]

So the endo telling my wife to take it prior to bed is bullshit? Is that what your saying?

its different for a diabetic or pre-diabetic.

[bobtail]

What type of Lantus do you use, vials or pens?

[gixxerboy1]

What type of Lantus do you use, vials or pens?

pens now. used to use the vial.

[bobtail]

UPDATE
Weight is up: 222 to 226 (4 pound gain)
Strength: no change
Increased Lantus to 15iu ED
Check BGL on Saturday and Sunday. Both readings were in the 120s so I felt safe to increase the Lantus.

[MastaMan]

How did the ostarine treat you?

[bobtail]

How did the ostarine treat you?

Honestly, I'm not sure if this stuff is real. I'm not noticing anything like the strength gains and muscle gains I got from the UC stuff. I'll stick with it for a few more weeks but so far I'm not impressed.

[MastaMan]

maybe not, especially if it tastes different. is the taste just fainter like it's underdosed, or is it entirely different?

[bobtail]

The stuff from MPR is powder in red capsules so I didn't try to taste it. I do wonder if it's working, though. No strength gains at all.