verification on HGH

[TheClinch]

Anyone know if this is real HGH?






Thanks

[dtob]

as far as what i know its relabeled chinese sold in canada
some guys swear by it and others... not so much
ive heard mixed reviews
as such i have steered clear of it

[redz]

Who knows, that's a picture of a box. Could be anything in there.

[TheClinch]

as far as what i know its relabeled chinese sold in canada
some guys swear by it and others... not so much
ive heard mixed reviews
as such i have steered clear of it

Yeah that is what I'm getting on the ground here too.

I will probably follow suit. It's way too much money to risk.

[TheClinch]

Who knows, that's a picture of a box. Could be anything in there.

Yessa

[TheClinch]

Anyone here used this brand exclusively long term and able to verify its authenticity?

*assuming whats inside the box is what is labeled on the outside...*

[redz]

*assuming whats inside the box is what is labeled on the outside...*

I was just playing, I haven't seen that before.

[TheClinch]

I was just playing, I haven't seen that before.

I kinda suspected you were fvckin with me lol

[gixxerboy1]

its just labeled and boxed chinese ugl crap. I wouldnt use it if it was free

[TheClinch]

its just labeled and boxed chinese ugl crap. I wouldnt use it if it was free

Not fishing....don't offer anyone, I'm not buying.

But...

Why is it so damn difficult to source real hgh?

What the duece...

[gixxerboy1]

Not fishing....don't offer anyone, I'm not buying.

But...

Why is it so damn difficult to source real hgh?

What the duece...

because less real companies make it. Its not prescribed alot comparing it to other drugs and its expensive.

[TheClinch]

because less real companies make it. Its not prescribed alot comparing it to other drugs and its expensive.

Well in a nutshell...Fvckin shame

[AnabolicDoc]

Not fishing....don't offer anyone, I'm not buying.

But...

Why is it so damn difficult to source real hgh?

What the duece...

In 2006, the FDA passed a law prohibiting the prescribing of hGH for off-label purposes (I think with the exception of pediatric micropenis). Some doctors get away with it though and others don't. The FDA wants adult GH deficiency proven through an insulin stimulation test which many doctors feel is dangerous (this would be done to confirm a low IGF-1/sometimes C level).

Edit: that should say "somatomedin C"

[Sgt. Hartman]

^^^Serostim is indicated to prevent muscle wasting in HIV patients and is probably the most common US pharm GH on the black market by far.

[TheClinch]

In 2006, the FDA passed a law prohibiting the prescribing of hGH for off-label purposes (I think with the exception of pediatric micropenis). Some doctors get away with it though and others don't. The FDA wants adult GH deficiency proven through an insulin stimulation test which many doctors feel is dangerous (this would be done to confirm a low IGF-1/sometimes C level).

That will definitely hamper hgh going into more mass production.

You seem well informed...Is there sign of this changing similar to the hrt movement that has taken place in the us?

[dtob]

^^^Serostim is indicated to prevent muscle wasting in HIV patients and is probably the most common US pharm GH on the black market by far.

as i understand its also the most faked pharm grade brand

[AnabolicDoc]

^^^Serostim is indicated to prevent muscle wasting in HIV patients and is probably the most common US pharm GH on the black market by far.

You're right, sorry I left out that indication and thank you for three correction.

[AnabolicDoc]

That will definitely hamper hgh going into more mass production.

You seem well informed...Is there sign of this changing similar to the hrt movement that has taken place in the us?

I don't think so. In the 1990s, a radiologist named Dr. Alan Mintz was on 20/20 for prescribing hGH to older patients for anti-aging purposes. The practice of hGH for anti-aging slowly grew and the FDA passed the law in 2006 in response to the growing use of off label hGH prescription to adults. Enforcement seems to be arbitrary however as there are plenty of doctors who still prescribe hGH to older patients on only the basis of low IGF-1 levels and get away with it.

Bc GH secretion is pulsatile in men (with the greatest pulse around midnight and levels declining after age 30) most men tested will have low IGF-1 levels if tested only once - the older you are, the more likely you are to test low. Some doctors used to do a confirmatory stimulation test with sermorelin (GHRH analog) combined with arginine (as this was the popular confirmatory test for GH deficiency in pediatric patients) but the production of sermorelin was stopped in 2008 by the company itself for no specific reason. Sermorelin is still available via certain compounding pharmacies but it's not widely available.

Since the FDA passed that law in 2006, many anti-aging clinics switched from hGH to the use of sermorelin. Some are even compounding it with other peptides, like ghrp-6. So it doesn't look like things are changing any time soon regarding hGH. There is still a lot of opposition to the growing use of TRT and I wonder if that will become more tightly regulated. I certainly hope not.

[TheClinch]

I don't think so. In the 1990s, a radiologist named Dr. Alan Mintz was on 20/20 for prescribing hGH to older patients for anti-aging purposes. The practice of hGH for anti-aging slowly grew and the FDA passed the law in 2006 in response to the growing use of off label hGH prescription to adults. Enforcement seems to be arbitrary however as there are plenty of doctors who still prescribe hGH to older patients on only the basis of low IGF-1 levels and get away with it.

Bc GH secretion is pulsatile in men (with the greatest pulse around midnight and levels declining after age 30) most men tested will have low IGF-1 levels if tested only once - the older you are, the more likely you are to test low. Some doctors used to do a confirmatory stimulation test with sermorelin (GHRH analog) combined with arginine (as this was the popular confirmatory test for GH deficiency in pediatric patients) but the production of sermorelin was stopped in 2008 by the company itself for no specific reason. Sermorelin is still available via certain compounding pharmacies but it's not widely available.

Since the FDA passed that law in 2006, many anti-aging clinics switched from hGH to the use of sermorelin. Some are even compounding it with other peptides, like ghrp-6. So it doesn't look like things are changing any time soon regarding hGH. There is still a lot of opposition to the growing use of TRT and I wonder if that will become more tightly regulated. I certainly hope not.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Aren't there little to no side effects of hGH use?

[AnabolicDoc]

The consensus opinion seems to be that there is no harm to correcting deficient GH levels. But the concern is that excessive doses of GH are harmful bc of the potential to cause diabetes, increase the growth of tumours, and some additional less important problems (such as carpal tunnel syndrome). It is also widely believed (and this I don't understand) that hGH has no performance or athletic enhancing effects.

[TheClinch]

The consensus opinion seems to be that there is no harm to correcting deficient GH levels. But the concern is that excessive doses of GH are harmful bc of the potential to cause diabetes, increase the growth of tumours, and some additional less important problems (such as carpal tunnel syndrome). It is also widely believed (and this I don't understand) that hGH has no performance or athletic enhancing effects.

There must have been some medical studies performed to support that belief in the medical community. Looking at the claims of body builders its hard to believe it doesnt enhance athletics.

Perhaps that was in terms of GH replacement therapy dosing?

[AnabolicDoc]

There must have been some medical studies performed to support that belief in the medical community. Looking at the claims of body builders its hard to believe it doesnt enhance athletics.

Perhaps that was in terms of GH replacement therapy dosing?

I'm really not sure. But I see that statement regarding HGH and athletic performance a lot in articles that discuss the controversy of HGH for anti-aging purposes. I never looked into the origin of that belief bc imo it just seems so hard to believe.

[kelkel]

No doubt the studies were not done on bodybuilders, per se. Therein lies the problem with the medical community and our lifestyle. Bodybuilders are usually one step ahead of the medical community when it comes to cutting edge usage and protocols for these type ancillaries. The more modern, pro-active docs/researchers know this well.

Oh, and speaking of Sermorelin. Mine is due to be delivered any day now. Very good price as well from a compounding pharmacy recommended by Scally.

[AnabolicDoc]

I hope you like it. Are you going to take it with arginine? Or with GABA?