Norditropin Nordilet HGH (pharma grade) cycle. Solo

**Othello** · 05-29-2013, 01:53 AM

Hi all

I posted (mistakenly) my log on another part of this forum...here's the link (http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...hgh-cycle.html) . I will continue it here as i have some questions and dont seem to be getting any answers there.

To sum up:

its my 19th day on HgH (norditropin-nordilet pens) pharma grade. Started at 2 iU im up to 2.5 ius now.

Results seem to be good. Waist has receded visibly (pants fit better and belt can be buckled at last notch which is two notches less than 3 weeks ago).

None of the sides spoken of except very very mild pain in wrists. no water ret/bloating or anything.

lifts have greatly improved - i am back to benching weights i would bench a couple of years back when on AAS

had some issues during cardio (calve pumps when on threadmill) this has somewhat gotten better...

over all I feel quite satisfied. might be bumping the dose to 3 iu per day.

i pin first thing in the morning (5 or 6 am) then take 100mcg of T4 (Elthroxine - also pharma grade). took 200 mcg for a while in two splits morning and night but then went back to 100 in the morning...any opinions on this? based on the documentation, I should be taking around 17mcg/kg of weight...at 100kg it makes it around 170mcg per day...now this is a dose for people with thyroid issues which I am not...

also considering adding some anavar at 50mg per day around month 3 with test E (testoviron ) at 250 mg per week (to conteract shutdown caused by anavar)...any advice on this? should i go for it or just stick to hgh as i am now? my aim in all that is get the best out of my hgh cycle while keeping fit, not loosing anything down there

(took me 2 to 3 years to fully recover from my last cycle as PCT was somewhat blotched cause of travelling around the area and all that)...thank god for cialis

**The Titan99** · 05-29-2013, 02:28 AM

19 days at 2 i.u.'s ed you should not be seeing any results at all yet. Sounds like Test P/Anavar already, although that would be impossible to confuse. I'd say diet and lifting intensity is responsible for your results so far, which is awesome since when the GH does start doing something you'll really be happy. Then again, 2 i.u.'s of GH ed isn't going to do anything but aid in fat loss in my opinion. I'd consider under 5 i.u.'s a waste of GH, and doing GH without Test a waste of money.

As far as getting answers, I don't see any questions. Sounds like a log entry to me.

**Othello** · 05-29-2013, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by The Titan99

19 days at 2 i.u.'s ed you should not be seeing any results at all yet. Sounds like Test P/Anavar already, although that would be impossible to confuse. I'd say diet and lifting intensity is responsible for your results so far, which is awesome since when the GH does start doing something you'll really be happy. Then again, 2 i.u.'s of GH ed isn't going to do anything but aid in fat loss in my opinion. I'd consider under 5 i.u.'s a waste of GH, and doing GH without Test a waste of money.

As far as getting answers, I don't see any questions. Sounds like a log entry to me.

Hey Titan thanks for the reply.

Actually the log entry was the other post...

havent started anavar/test yet.

you are right diet is in check and I am working out quasi religiously. 5 - 6 days workout+cardio then 7th day hiking in the mountain and or resting with the family.

question was about to add or not to add anavar+test E on this cycle. in other words should I keep on to GH, save the $$ from var and test and upping the hgh dose or bump to 3iUs and add the var/test at month 3? I have heard of the synergy between hgh and AAs and was wondering what i could expect from such an addition to the cycle vrs. running hgh solo.

also keep in mind this is not generic hgh but pharmacy grade... from what I have been reading some of those generics, when real, could be under dosed which would explain the need for higher doses to achieve results... again this is based on what i have been reading for the last 8 months while researching hgh and its pros/cons.

We do not have any generics in Lebanon and basic drugs can be obtained directly from pharmacy and without prescription if you know the people (testoviron , deca durabolin , sustanon , dostinex, arimidex , clomid, pregnyl , proviron , ciallis, hgh ... there are some black market drugs like trenbolone , masteron , dianabol etc but with the counterfeit industry at its topmost, you dont know what you could be getting)

back to topic, at 3ius ed, i would be needing 3 pens a month as each pen contains 30 iu/10mg.
thats like 360$ per month and I guess affordable to a certain extent.

upping to 5 ius would mean I would need a pen every six days that's like 5 pens a month...600$...I guess I could manage that as well but my concern would be :

is it advisable to run such a high dose at a long period? thing is I plan on running this for 6 to 8 months ++ break for a couple of months then go back again etc.

again since i will not be competing or anything and my main goal is overall fitness, definition, leaner look and some muscle gains (nothing drastic tho)...is a 5 iu dose warranted/needed ??

**Newchick76** · 05-29-2013, 07:19 PM

I am new here and was wondering if your doctor writes you a script for your HGH or you get it some other way? I have a doctor write me a script and 1 pen of the same HGH that you are taking costs me$450. It is outrageous!

Also I would say it took me a good six months until my HGH kicked in. Not sure if that is normal or not, but that has been my experience.

**freshmaker** · 05-29-2013, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Newchick76

I am new here and was wondering if your doctor writes you a script for your HGH or you get it some other way? I have a doctor write me a script and 1 pen of the same HGH that you are taking costs me$450. It is outrageous!

Also I would say it took me a good six months until my HGH kicked in. Not sure if that is normal or not, but that has been my experience.

I pay $400 for the 5mg pens at the pharmacy in California. I'm about 3 mos in on 2iu a day. Adds up!

**OnTheSauce** · 05-29-2013, 08:33 PM

Please edit price out of your post

**freshmaker** · 05-29-2013, 08:36 PM

These are prescribed pharmacy prices. I have a prescription. What is the issue?

**The Titan99** · 05-29-2013, 09:08 PM

There isn't any generic HGH around really any more I don't think. The fake ones almost all peptides if your lucky, and if your not it's inert or harmful chemicals that mimic HGH sides like numbness and joint pain...Not nice.

I wouldn't run HGH without Test, but that's just me. You'll probably get some of the fat loss and health benefits from doses under 5 i.u.'s, but you won't get the look or muscle growth I would guess your looking for, at least without AAS. Running HGH without anabolics is like putting Bearnaise sauce on a hotdog. What you'll get from the combo is what makes HGH worth the $$.

**Granovich** · 05-29-2013, 10:05 PM

Im on 8 iu ed of pharma grade HgH now
3 months in
Great results
I dont think i want to come off ever
I didnt see results until i got to 6 iu
Im bulking up but my stomach fat reduced alot
Im also on test prop which helped me put alot of mass
I would up the dose if you can afford it
Im planning on going to 10 Iu in 3-4 weeks and stay there for rest of
The year at least!

**Othello** · 05-30-2013, 12:06 AM

Hi all

first to clarify a point (and sorry for any confusion): I am not in the USA nor in Europe...

I am in Lebanon, a country on the Mediterranean sea...hence the relative ease to get stuff from pharmacies.

Government has been trying to restrict this, so today it is harder to get stuff from just any pharmacy....you need to know a couple of them on a personal basis, and spread your purchases across in a smart way so as not to attract any unwarranted attention

plus in light of the unstable political situation, govt has more important things to worry about than who buys AAS and HGH :P

**Othello** · 05-30-2013, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by The Titan99

There isn't any generic HGH around really any more I don't think. The fake ones almost all peptides if your lucky, and if your not it's inert or harmful chemicals that mimic HGH sides like numbness and joint pain...Not nice.

I wouldn't run HGH without Test, but that's just me. You'll probably get some of the fat loss and health benefits from doses under 5 i.u.'s, but you won't get the look or muscle growth I would guess your looking for, at least without AAS. Running HGH without anabolics is like putting Bearnaise sauce on a hotdog. What you'll get from the combo is what makes HGH worth the $$.

Hi

I upped my dose to 3iu this morning. One shot. will go with it for a month. and see how it feels and its effects. I figure I will eventually get to 4 or 5iu but I would like to take it slow so as to avoid sides as much as possible.

you can say I am experimenting on my body and checking the sides as I go...will eventually go for bloodwork once I find a way to do so anonymously

quick question: above 3iu I should be injecting twice a day correct? that would mean first shot early am and the second one? I want to avoid pinning before I go to bed so as to benefit from whatever hgh is releases natural during sleep...I read about PWO pins but then this would mean I woud have to wait an hour or so before my post workout shake and meal...any takes on this from your personal experiences?

might go into adding test/var combo but this wont be before month 3 (beginning august or so). This should give me time to redo my calculations, finalize all research etc ... till now my decision is to run test at 250mg per week and var at 50mg ed.

Only concern is that var will be from black market which means questionable authenticity...so it could be any thing from dianabol tablets to starch tabs...will try and get a pic of the stuff and check it on the web...wish I had a way to chemically analyze the stuff...anyway will wait and see..worst case scenario ill run just test E for 8 weeks or even drop the whole thing and stick to higher dose of HGH

thanks everyone for your inputs. will keep you all posted of my progress on this thread...

**Othello** · 05-30-2013, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by Granovich

Im on 8 iu ed of pharma grade HgH now
3 months in
Great results
I dont think i want to come off ever
I didnt see results until i got to 6 iu
Im bulking up but my stomach fat reduced alot
Im also on test prop which helped me put alot of mass
I would up the dose if you can afford it
Im planning on going to 10 Iu in 3-4 weeks and stay there for rest of
The year at least!

Hi Granovich

would you attribute the bulking to the HGH/test combo or just to the higher dose of HGH?

whats your diet like?

Do u pin multiple times and if so when?

how does your test cycle look like and what are your PCT plans? or will you be running it continuously alongside hgh?

finally, any sides observed at such high doses?

Sorry for all the questions but its just that urge one gets to know everything about a specific topic

**Newchick76** · 05-30-2013, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by freshmaker

I pay $400 for the 5mg pens at the pharmacy in California. I'm about 3 mos in on 2iu a day. Adds up!

It sure does! How many pens does your doctor write at a time? Refills? How often does your doc require you to see him? Mine wants me to go every three months and blood every three months. Very expensive!

**Newchick76** · 05-30-2013, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by The Titan99

There isn't any generic HGH around really any more I don't think. The fake ones almost all peptides if your lucky, and if your not it's inert or harmful chemicals that mimic HGH sides like numbness and joint pain...Not nice.

I wouldn't run HGH without Test, but that's just me. You'll probably get some of the fat loss and health benefits from doses under 5 i.u.'s, but you won't get the look or muscle growth I would guess your looking for, at least without AAS. Running HGH without anabolics is like putting Bearnaise sauce on a hotdog. What you'll get from the combo is what makes HGH worth the $$.

My doc gives me a compounded test 7% cream. Do the creams work? How long until I should feel the effects from the test cream?

**Newchick76** · 05-30-2013, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Othello

Hi all

first to clarify a point (and sorry for any confusion): I am not in the USA nor in Europe...

I am in Lebanon, a country on the Mediterranean sea...hence the relative ease to get stuff from pharmacies.

Government has been trying to restrict this, so today it is harder to get stuff from just any pharmacy....you need to know a couple of them on a personal basis, and spread your purchases across in a smart way so as not to attract any unwarranted attention

plus in light of the unstable political situation, govt has more important things to worry about than who buys AAS and HGH :P

I just purchased some from a new source out there! That is funny!

**Othello** · 05-30-2013, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Newchick76

I just purchased some from a new source out there! That is funny!

Out there u mean Lebanon?? Ouuuuf! Im amazed

**Othello** · 05-30-2013, 11:50 PM

Today marks my 3rd week and 21st day on HGH.

dose is now up to 3iu.

Woke up a little weird...flu symptoms...could be the flu (alternating from AC cooled room to 30 degrees centigrade out there is shitty to say the least) or it could be T4 sides as I read it can cause such symptoms ...I will see how it develops..

other than this, I feel myself leaning out on a daily basis. dunno about the feeling good part...I mean I feel good most of the time and I havent seen any changes from hgh...

**Othello** · 06-04-2013, 07:11 AM

Finished 2nd pen today and started with 3rd.

I swear I could see my abs in the mirror this morning

it was like a reunion with a long lost friend ... wife thought i must have gone mad or smthng

ok its not your typical six pack but for me its great !!!

pumps were AMAZING. did biceps/triceps today and felt like my arms would explode.

some pain in the wrists but ive always had issues with curling heavy weights due to an old motorbike accident...so cant blame HGH and CTS

weight wise i am still at around 100kg (weighed in at 98 this morning)...not gaining nor loosing but definitively have lost a lot of fat around the waist...for measurements I used to wear size 36 jeans...now I am down to 34 (fits rather tightly but it fits !!!)

what can I say

I love HGH heheehehehehehehehe

**Othello** · 06-11-2013, 06:15 AM

Hello all

Latest updates:

Upped my T4 to 200mcg on Sunday morning. No sides so far (as in no palpitations etc)
I will go along with it for a week to see what gives.

Cycle still going good. fat loss is visible. Waistline has greatly decreased: from size 36 i now wear size 34 pants which is good. None of the sides attributed to hgh ... but as I read those are uncommon at dose I am using so...

Will be doing full pannel of tests as well as BF measurement in a couple of weeks to see if things are OK. Any specific recommendations as to what to test and what not to bother with?

Once I finish my 4th pen (that would be a total of 120 iu injected into this body :P ), I am planning to up to 4 iu ED (currently @ 3 iu) to see what gives.

I am still undecided as to crossing the 4iu threshold or no...as stated in previous posts, I am juggling between adding AAS to this cycle OR upping the dose to 5/6 iu ED. Still have 2 months to go for that decision as I just completed my 1st month yesterday so I will keep doing my research.

**Othello** · 06-11-2013, 06:16 AM

double post.

**Othello** · 06-18-2013, 05:23 AM

Still hanging in there

its been almost 6 weeks now and all is great.

muscles seem more defined...was at the beach over the weekend and all noticed the change that took place in this short time...arms grew by 1cm which is great for me as i have been stuck at 46cm for years...also my calves which have ALWAYS been the bane of my body as they are genetically small have gained size...enough for them to be visible when i wear shorts.

I am on my 4th pen now. running 3 IUs every day. will up to 4IU starting on the 5th pen...was thinking of running on an average dose and then blasting for like 4 or 5 weeks at a higher dose, then getting back to the average dose...say 4ius is the average dose and blast is at 6 or 8 ius ED...

anyone ever done something like this?

**Othello** · 06-21-2013, 01:53 AM

Today I started my 6th week.

upped the dose to 3.3 IU (8 clicks on the pen)

what I am taking now is as follows:

1- hgh 3.3 iu ED early in the morning.
2- Eltroxin (T4) 200mcg per day post shot
3- Proviron 3x25g per day
4- Dostinex 0.5 mg per week

Prov and Dost are for prolactin control and help with libido and sex in general...unrelated to HgH cycle...

Also, I switched to isolated whey protein as it contains least amount of carbs and other stuff...

fat burning is awesome. my pants are better fitting...went down from size 36 to size 34 and yet at size 34, some pants have to be worn with a tight belt to keep 'em up

diet is in check...carbs cut down to bare minimum...I am on tuna, chicken breast, beaf steaks , veggies ...

bread consumption is zero. so is rice (excluding the occasional sushi lunch or dinner but then i go for sashimi and ignore sushi/maki).

i do cheat some days as its summer time here and there are weddings and occasions every single weekend...which means drinking and food of all sorts...but I try to even out the total quantity of food I take in during 24 hours so as to keep things balanced. the day after such a party, I add 15 min of extra cardio...

on the booze side, I stopped beer altogether... too many useless calories IMO...I stick to a glass or two of white wine as it contains least amount of calories and make that last throughout the night ...

got some K supplements (Potassium Chloride 1,500 mg /20 mmol (mEq) ) in case i get bloating from Sodium (Lebanese food tends to be somewhat on the salty side) ...dunno whether to start them just in case or take only when i eat something with high sodium content...

power @ gym is great as well. I am able to pump harder, work out longer and lift heavier.

arms gained 1cm. Calves noticeably grown...I never measured them but they definitively stick out nowadays

i will be upping to 4 ius in the next couple of weeks and maybe go to 5.

By Month 3, I need to make up my decision about adding AAS or not

and this is purely going to be based on the results I get....for me if I can achieve good gains with close to zero sides, why take the risk?

by the way, now as I am typing, I feel some soreness/tiredness in my wrists...also when making a fist, it feels as if I have a rubber stress ball in my hand that I am pressing against...I did feel this back in the first couple of weeks but I attributed it to old issues i had wit my wrists and not to HGH as it was too early for sides to show....

nothing to worry about till now...it just happened

shoots ive been boasting about no sides soo much guess i jinxed myself :P being in the IT industry, CTS is definitively not a welcome thing. I will see how it goes over the next week...and decide accordingly.

**marcus300** · 06-21-2013, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Othello

Today I started my 6th week.

upped the dose to 3.3 IU (8 clicks on the pen)

what I am taking now is as follows:

1- hgh 3.3 iu ED early in the morning.
2- Eltroxin (T4) 200mcg per day post shot
3- Proviron 3x25g per day
4- Dostinex 0.5 mg per week

Prov and Dost are for prolactin control and help with libido and sex in general...unrelated to HgH cycle...

Also, I switched to isolated whey protein as it contains least amount of carbs and other stuff...

fat burning is awesome. my pants are better fitting...went down from size 36 to size 34 and yet at size 34, some pants have to be worn with a tight belt to keep 'em up

diet is in check...carbs cut down to bare minimum...I am on tuna, chicken breast, beaf steaks , veggies ...

bread consumption is zero. so is rice (excluding the occasional sushi lunch or dinner but then i go for sashimi and ignore sushi/maki).

i do cheat some days as its summer time here and there are weddings and occasions every single weekend...which means drinking and food of all sorts...but I try to even out the total quantity of food I take in during 24 hours so as to keep things balanced. the day after such a party, I add 15 min of extra cardio...

on the booze side, I stopped beer altogether... too many useless calories IMO...I stick to a glass or two of white wine as it contains least amount of calories and make that last throughout the night ...

got some K supplements (Potassium Chloride 1,500 mg /20 mmol (mEq) ) in case i get bloating from Sodium (Lebanese food tends to be somewhat on the salty side) ...dunno whether to start them just in case or take only when i eat something with high sodium content...

power @ gym is great as well. I am able to pump harder, work out longer and lift heavier.

arms gained 1cm. Calves noticeably grown...I never measured them but they definitively stick out nowadays

i will be upping to 4 ius in the next couple of weeks and maybe go to 5.

By Month 3, I need to make up my decision about adding AAS or not

and this is purely going to be based on the results I get....for me if I can achieve good gains with close to zero sides, why take the risk?

by the way, now as I am typing, I feel some soreness/tiredness in my wrists...also when making a fist, it feels as if I have a rubber stress ball in my hand that I am pressing against...I did feel this back in the first couple of weeks but I attributed it to old issues i had wit my wrists and not to HGH as it was too early for sides to show....

nothing to worry about till now...it just happened

shoots ive been boasting about no sides soo much guess i jinxed myself :P being in the IT industry, CTS is definitively not a welcome thing. I will see how it goes over the next week...and decide accordingly.

Just goes to show you what changing your diet and lifestyle can do for your gains. Just wait till you get your gh up to a level where you will see results from it in a few months time.

**MajorPectorial** · 06-21-2013, 09:11 PM

Well done Othello. Keep it up!!

**Othello** · 06-27-2013, 03:56 AM

Thanks all for the thumbs up.

Im on 5th pen now...still going good. 3.3iu ED.
Sides as stated previously...fairly mild. Ill up to 4 iu on my 6th pen....then 5 iu on 7th pen. each pen contains 10mg of hgh

I guess ill stick to 5iu for a couple of weeks/month or two and then go back to 2 ius....it would be like cruise and blast kinda approach

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**D@K** · 06-30-2013, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Newchick76

I just purchased some from a new source out there! That is funny!

And the credit goes to..

Never knew you were on GH for that long, must've been a huge relief to order overseas. The price you guys are quoting is outrageous. I wish i could reveal the source out in the open but I think that might be against the rules.

To OP, nice log. I'm Lebanese as well

**Othello** · 07-01-2013, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by D@K

And the credit goes to..

Never knew you were on GH for that long, must've been a huge relief to order overseas. The price you guys are quoting is outrageous. I wish i could reveal the source out in the open but I think that might be against the rules.

To OP, nice log. I'm Lebanese as well

Ahla w sahla

I guess you are not in Lebanon eh?

**Othello** · 07-01-2013, 02:05 AM

upped to 9 clicks yesterday. thats 3.7 iu. this is my 5th pen and i love the results.

fat loss is visible by the day. I am still at around 100kg (between 98.7 and 99.7) but overall feels great. better muscle definition, better workouts...all in all its great.

On my 6th pen i will up to 10 cliks ED thats like 4.1 IUs...

increments will be a click a week thats like 0.16mgs per week till I hit 5 or 6 iu which i will maintain for a month or two...I may try upping by more than one click...will see how it goes as it all depends on the sides i experience from this....

then after the 1 or 2 months on the "high" dose, ill go down to 3ius a day which will be my cruising dose for the remainder of the cycle...have no clue as to benefits i should get from this but I might as well try it out

if I do get benefits, I will be doing similar blitzes every two months, for two months...

my initial plan was to run hgh for 6 to 8 months. might go for a year ... will see...hope i don't have to travel to europe or other country in the mean time as I do not want to have to worry about carrying this stuff with me and go through customs...

quick question: did anyone ever try a similar thing? cruizing and blitzing on hgh? if yes what was the outcome? any visible differences? any recommendaitons on duration/dosages etc? I want to avoid doses greater than 6 ius ED as much as possible...

**marcus300** · 07-01-2013, 02:35 AM

The results your experiencing aren't from the hgh its from the change in your diet and training, 6 weeks worth of gh will do nothing at the dose you have been using it at. The results will start to come on visual in around 5-6-8 months time.. The best result from hgh are when they are used in conjunction with AAS the synergy between the two are remarkable, higher dose when on aas cycle and low dose when your inbetween cycles.

**Othello** · 07-01-2013, 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

The results your experiencing aren't from the hgh its from the change in your diet and training, 6 weeks worth of gh will do nothing at the dose you have been using it at. The results will start to come on visual in around 5-6-8 months time.. The best result from hgh are when they are used in conjunction with AAS the synergy between the two are remarkable, higher dose when on aas cycle and low dose when your inbetween cycles.

Hi Marcus

thanks for the reply. great ink btw

might use it as an inspiration for my next tatt if you dont mind.

back to topic:

thing is I have gone on similar diets before and results were loss of fat but also of power and some muscle mass...and I used all the possible fat burners available in Leb...clen , ECA, L-Carnitine you name it...

this time its kinda different as I am still at my original mass but seeing more definition and strength...hence my conclusion as to this being an effect of hgh...
but then I do not mind if more results are coming my way down the road, I can wait

as for including AAS, as per my previous posts I am still dabbling with the idea...but the thought of a long cycle (long because test-E will be involved) is what is pushing me away....cant get my hands on Test-P anywhere here...the only pharm grade form of test they carry in Lebanon is Test E, sustanon and Andriol a pill form of test undecanonate...which is def not what i am looking for.

plan is to run either a test only cycle or test+var...or test+decadurabolin ...those are the only avlbl AAS in pharmacies...i could get stuff like masteron etc but it would be black market and i dont trust any supplier with such things nowadays...

if you have anything in mind that could help id be grateful for the info

**marcus300** · 07-01-2013, 05:29 AM

The results are from the dramatic change in diet and training and not from the gh at the dose your using for only 6 wks. Gh doesn't do that.

A good test only cycle will help with results.

**Othello** · 07-01-2013, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

The results are from the dramatic change in diet and training and not from the gh at the dose your using for only 6 wks. Gh doesn't do that.

A good test only cycle will help with results.

noted.

any takes as to sustanon (Organon)? tried it once, many many years ago...ddnt have any bad sides but what i read about it on the forums and the unstable blood levels made me stop considering it.

reason I ask is that it contains some test prop (30 mg testosterone propionate ,60 mg testosterone phenylpropionate,60 mg testosterone isocaproate,100 mg testosterone decanoate) but as you can see, too little of the test prop is there...plus all the others are long esters...which "might" make it good for TRT but not for BB...

after doing some maths, I guess id need around 4 ampules of sust (thats like 1000mg) per week to get something but then the medium and long esters would be worse than Test E...as i would be getting 120mg of test P per week while quadrupling the long esters...

I still have till the 10th of August till i hit my 3rd month oh HGH and make the decision as to AAS...so till then I am still in lookup/research/question mode

**marcus300** · 07-01-2013, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by Othello

noted.

any takes as to sustanon (Organon)? tried it once, many many years ago...ddnt have any bad sides but what i read about it on the forums and the unstable blood levels made me stop considering it.

reason I ask is that it contains some test prop (30 mg testosterone propionate ,60 mg testosterone phenylpropionate,60 mg testosterone isocaproate,100 mg testosterone decanoate) but as you can see, too little of the test prop is there...plus all the others are long esters...which "might" make it good for TRT but not for BB...

after doing some maths, I guess id need around 4 ampules of sust (thats like 1000mg) per week to get something but then the medium and long esters would be worse than Test E...as i would be getting 120mg of test P per week while quadrupling the long esters...

I still have till the 10th of August till i hit my 3rd month oh HGH and make the decision as to AAS...so till then I am still in lookup/research/question mode

Sus is fine, the prop is very minimal anyway and wont do much unless your running higher dosages, but if your stick with 500mgs per week you can shoot eod and you will be fine, some who don't react to unstable blood levels can run it twice per week.

**Othello** · 07-01-2013, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Sus is fine, the prop is very minimal anyway and wont do much unless your running higher dosages, but if your stick with 500mgs per week you can shoot eod and you will be fine, some who don't react to unstable blood levels can run it twice per week.

thanks mate for the input and gr8 info.

since sust comes in ampules of 250mg each, EoD would make it around 1g of sus a week (M-W-F-Su)...for 500mg id have to go say once every 3 days or so (M-Thu-Su)....would you recommend i frontload first week or two?

will keep looking for test P...in case they decide to import it into the country

**marcus300** · 07-01-2013, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Othello

thanks mate for the input and gr8 info.

since sust comes in ampules of 250mg each, EoD would make it around 1g of sus a week (M-W-F-Su)...for 500mg id have to go say once every 3 days or so (M-Thu-Su)....would you recommend i frontload first week or two?

will keep looking for test P...in case they decide to import it into the country

You can split the amp if you need to, no need to inject the full 250mgs eod. if its only 500mgs per week your going to be doing just inject every 3.5 days that will be 500mgs per week. There is no need to do more than 500mgs on your first cycle, you also need hcg at 250ius x 2 per week and also an AI and a solid pct of clomid and nolva

**Othello** · 07-02-2013, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

You can split the amp if you need to, no need to inject the full 250mgs eod. if its only 500mgs per week your going to be doing just inject every 3.5 days that will be 500mgs per week. There is no need to do more than 500mgs on your first cycle, you also need hcg at 250ius x 2 per week and also an AI and a solid pct of clomid and nolva

thanks Marcus.

Technically this is not my first cycle although it has been almost 5 yrs since my last one.

I will contact my pharmacy to check as to availability etc

many thanks

**Othello** · 07-03-2013, 02:10 AM

upped to 10 clicks this morning

had an all night data recovery activity that ended around 4 am...so I figured i sure as hell am not going to wake up at 6 to pin ... why not pin now...and while dialing the pen, I just added an extra click (10 clicks = 4.1 iu) ...

so i have officially crossed the 4 iu boundary

lets see what gives in the coming days

**Othello** · 07-03-2013, 11:55 PM

started 6th pen today...shoots each pen is lasting me around 6 days

**imom** · 07-04-2013, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Granovich

Im on 8 iu ed of pharma grade HgH now
3 months in
Great results
I dont think i want to come off ever
I didnt see results until i got to 6 iu
Im bulking up but my stomach fat reduced alot
Im also on test prop which helped me put alot of mass
I would up the dose if you can afford it
Im planning on going to 10 Iu in 3-4 weeks and stay there for rest of
The year at least!

What's your IGF-1?

**Othello** · 07-09-2013, 01:14 AM

Had to Skip Sunday's shot because was out with the family on a camping site with no fridge and nothing to store the gh...yesterday jabbed 11 clicks (4.5 iu)...same today...I will go on with this till I hit the 5 iu mark...

a worry I have is that with summer time, there will be more and more similar outings and therefore I might find myself more and more having to skip shots...unless i find myself some refrigerating bag and carry the pen with me in it. good thing is that i am using pens and not slin needles...

It has been 2 months and 4 days since i began the cycle.

the numbness of arms, especially when inactive for a while is there...also feels like having a stress ball in each hand when i make a fist...but till now its manageable. Feeling good is there in force

muscle definition is evident and so is loss of BF.

body mass dropped to 96kg but lifts are excellent..workouts are great...intense and no need for rest between sets..in fact I find myself compounding sets or doing super sets just because I feel the energy in me...

work has been hectic last couple of weeks, sometimes ended up working like 20 hours a day with little sleep but strangely I do not feel tired...a little sleepy OK but not tired...duno if its the gh effect but heck I like it

planning vacation with the family...and I find myself planning everything around the ability to continue my cycle

so out went the cross country hiking and in comes the sea cruise :P 8 days on the mediterranean sea cruising from island to island ... just hope they have a good gym on board