My Jin experience, so far.

**Buster Brown** · 07-03-2013, 10:52 AM

I have been waiting to report on my experience with Jins and t4 and figured after 4 months I can start to give some feedback. I tend to ramble so I will do this in bullet points to keep it simple.

Dosing: 4 ius HGH 5 on 2 off along with 100 mcgs T4 taken daily.
Duration: Started March 1st during my Pct.
Results up to 6/23: During Pct I didn't notice much of a change to be honest. My Pct was going great until I got the Cruise ship virus in my 4th week of Pct and lost a ton of weight. After Pct I went into maintenance mode far month. I started to notice some hand numbness which was subtle at first and has become a real challenge over the past few months.
I began to prime 8 weeks prior to 6/23 and started to notice some changes. I was unable to do any serious cardio do to injury which was a concern to me at the time (just needed time to heal). I began carb cycling (nothing over the top) coupled with the HGH and T4 the fat began to melt away. According to my fat calipers I lost approx. 6 mm's worth of fat around bellybutton area and noticed the vascularity starting to pop through.
By the end of week 8, I was a believer. I was able to retain my muscle size while burning fat and liked what I saw. I sort of gauge my leaness by the amount of vascularity I see in my arms, I know it is not very exact but it works for me.

Dosing starting 6/24: 8 iu's 5 on 2 off split up twice a day with 100 mcgs T4.
Duration: I will be running the Hgh at 8 iu's for 8 weeks while on a Tes P/ tren A cyce along with the T4. After that I will go back to 4 iu's during Pct and take a break.
Goal: Don't really know what to expect. I am trying to do a lean bulk (300 cals over maint. a day and carb cycling) and looking to just keep fine tuning things.

**MajorPectorial** · 07-03-2013, 06:31 PM

Keep is posted bro ;-)

**crazy mike** · 07-03-2013, 06:35 PM

I'm sooo confused. Really just confused. Quote "
Goal: Don't really know what to expect. I am trying to do a lean bulk (300 cals over maint. a day and carb cycling) and looking to just keep fine tuning things." With this thought process you will have to keep fine tuning and on and on...Good luck ...crazy, crazy mike

**Buster Brown** · 07-04-2013, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

I'm sooo confused. Really just confused. Quote "
Goal: Don't really know what to expect. I am trying to do a lean bulk (300 cals over maint. a day and carb cycling) and looking to just keep fine tuning things." With this thought process you will have to keep fine tuning and on and on...Good luck ...crazy, crazy mike

Well.....If you haven't run Hgh at 8 iu's for 8 weeks (total time on hgh will be 6 months), how would you know what the end result will be? I have cycled plenty of times and have played with my calorie intake in order to fine tune things to get better results . With the addition of hgh, I don't want to make any assumptions. I am keeping an open mind to the HGh experience to decide if it is something I will keep on doing or not.

**Rick Kane** · 07-04-2013, 06:17 AM

^^That's the best thing to do to see if gh is worth the investment. I've spoken with year round gh users who swear by 5ius ED for most months and 8-10 when prepping for contests. It's quite an investment but the only way to know if it's worth it for yourself is to run it long term.

**Buster Brown** · 07-04-2013, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by Rick Kane

^^That's the best thing to do to see if gh is worth the investment. I've spoken with year round gh users who swear by 5ius ED for most months and 8-10 when prepping for contests. It's quite an investment but the only way to know if it's worth it for yourself is to run it long term.

Exactly. I plan on running two seperate Hgh cycles for 6 months (two month break in between) each and it will include an AAS cycle in each one. Some will say this and some will say that but I think this is a pretty fair amount of time to decide its value.

**Buster Brown** · 07-04-2013, 07:27 AM

At 8iu's a day I notice the same CTS side effects as I did at 4 iu's a day. I can't say the sides are worse or more intense at 8 iu's but do seem to be prominent at all the different times of the day. Between the Tren A and the CtS sides, I never have truly solid sleep. I toss and turn alot and that gets pretty old.

**Buster Brown** · 07-07-2013, 04:48 AM

Now that I have to split my Hgh doses I have found it most convenient to set my alarm an hour early before work for the first 4 ius and t4 then go back to bed for an hour, get up and have breakfast. the second 4 iu injection I usually due an hour after my PWO shake. Only so many hours in the day and this seems to make the most sense to get 8 hours or so in between shots.

**Buster Brown** · 07-19-2013, 10:25 AM

Sides are still insane after being on 8 iu's 5 on 2 off for 4 weeks. I can't blame the tren anymore for lack of sleep.

**Granovich** · 07-19-2013, 11:29 AM

nice
8 iu while on cycle will yield good results
it did for me
although im still running 8 IU during pct and i actually gained more weight while on PCT. gained more strength too
im running HGH ED... i would keep running 8 iu during pct too to keep gains

**Buster Brown** · 07-21-2013, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by Granovich

nice
8 iu while on cycle will yield good results
it did for me
although im still running 8 IU during pct and i actually gained more weight while on PCT. gained more strength too
im running HGH ED... i would keep running 8 iu during pct too to keep gains

Well bro, Tbh the sides are eating me alive. I will continue with the 8 ius for the rest of the cycle and drop to 4 ius during Pct and the come off for a month. At the point it will be six months and I wouldn't mind a night of solid sleep. My next go around (in the late fall) with HGH I will maybe ramp up the dosages at a slower pace but most likely I will probably end up feeling the same sides at the higher dosages.

**Granovich** · 07-21-2013, 09:32 AM

You thinki its the HGH or the tren
Cuz i dont have trouble sleeping at all on hgh
Its just numbness is so annoying

**Buster Brown** · 07-21-2013, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Granovich

You thinki its the HGH or the tren
Cuz i dont have trouble sleeping at all on hgh
Its just numbness is so annoying

When I started out on the HGH I slept like a rock. Then.......after a while, the sides starting to creep up slowly. I was having trouble sleeping before jumping back on cycle due to the CTS sides/ numbness. Looking good in your avi bro!

**Granovich** · 07-21-2013, 03:46 PM

oh maybe its the high dose. i work all day in Heavy stuff then workout . by night time im done. i just fall asleep lol
and thanx man i really appreciate it. still lacking alot of size. hopefully this coming cycle im just gonna make the best out of it.

**Buster Brown** · 08-16-2013, 12:03 PM

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Hers are a few recent pics. I am at the end of my cycle and have to say the combination of Hgh and AAS are truly amazing.

**slimshady01** · 08-16-2013, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

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Hers are a few recent pics. I am at the end of my cycle and have to say the combination of Hgh and AAS are truly amazing.

Looking beasty bro!!!

**Indymuscleguy** · 08-16-2013, 02:42 PM

Looking good. I would do year-round GH if it weren't for a couple of reasons:

1. Constantly reading posts where GH is questionable from most sources
2. Counterfeit purchases posted nearly everyday
3. Sources flipping and selling bunk GH

If I pay all that money and I found out that I got ripped off...I'd be so disappointed and pissed.

It seems you have the typical sides from legit GH...so good for you buddy!

**Buster Brown** · 08-17-2013, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by slimshady01

Looking beasty bro!!!

Thanks bro

**Buster Brown** · 08-17-2013, 06:38 PM

I am curious to see what the end result will be at the end of pct. I plan on running hgh and t4 through pct which at that point will be seven months and then I will give it a break for a bit mainly due to the cts sides starting to take their toll. My main point of interest is to see if any real permanent changes occured by adding hgh. I can say that without a doubt, the fat loss has been incredible even at 300 calories a day over surplus and only doing a small amount of cardio. Lets see if there were any true muscle building effects, keep you guys posted.

**Buster Brown** · 08-17-2013, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Indymuscleguy

Looking good. I would do year-round GH if it weren't for a couple of reasons:

1. Constantly reading posts where GH is questionable from most sources
2. Counterfeit purchases posted nearly everyday
3. Sources flipping and selling bunk GH

If I pay all that money and I found out that I got ripped off...I'd be so disappointed and pissed.

It seems you have the typical sides from legit GH...so good for you buddy!

Well, it isn't something I will be able to continue to do for the long term. I have been fortunate enough to squirrel enough away to do two 6 month or so cycles of hgh (along with a AAS cycle within each hgh cycle). If it weren't for the sides, I would just keep on running it but I haven't had a solid night of sleep in months!

**Granovich** · 08-17-2013, 10:42 PM

Looking great buster!!!
Keep it up brother!!!

**Buster Brown** · 08-19-2013, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Granovich

Looking great buster!!!
Keep it up brother!!!

Thanks bro! Just started the bumpy Pct road.

**marcus300** · 08-19-2013, 07:41 AM

I'm watching

**Buster Brown** · 08-21-2013, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

I'm watching

Always a pleasure to know you are on board!

**Granovich** · 08-21-2013, 12:24 PM

Keep eating good and train good
U know how it works
And definitely keep running GH
U know how it works brother!
Just cuz u r on PCT doesnt mean u r going to lose weight
And get small
I believe if u eat good and use GH @ like 5 iu a day
Then u will keep gains

**Buster Brown** · 08-26-2013, 07:24 AM

Well here we are in the second week of pct. Felt like a million bucks for the first week but usually the second week things start to slide. I have noticed that since I have dropped from 8 ius a day to 4 ius a day that the cts sides have reduced considerably. That has been a real struggle for me the whole time and it is nice to be able to sleep through the night. I am not sure if I mentioned earlier that I have dropped the T4 from 100 mcgs a day to 50 mcgs. a day. I have dropped a few pounds but try not to get hung up on it. I have realized that on days that I am working and not getting much sleep that I tend to lose weight (most likely in the form of water because I drink soo much coffee) and need to follow up with an appropriate carb load the next day.

**Granovich** · 08-26-2013, 12:46 PM

I dont think u will lose muscle weight if u feed good
Take ur gh and sleep well
U shouldnt really
Maybe only water weight
But bump
Up
Your calories to suit you new gained muscle
Or else u will lose it

**Buster Brown** · 08-30-2013, 02:02 PM

Approaching the end of week 2 of Pct and again I had a solid week in terms if lifts. Clomid is raising hell with me a little bit. Feel ike no matter how much I eat, I just get leaner. Starting to see veins in my lower abs which I never saw before and despite being off of the sauce, vascularity is still fantastic. One drawback to doing a big dose of tren and a trt dose of tes is that I don't think you pack on the size as much as doing a higher dose of Tes and a lower dose of tren. I will say that as far as a recomp goes, high tren + trt Tes + hgh +t4 is tough to beat.

**Buster Brown** · 09-05-2013, 11:29 PM

In the end of my third week of pct and things are staying pretty much the same. The sides are still there with the hgh but very manageable. I think one reason why this cycle and pct are going so well is the fact that I only ran an 8 week cycle and didn't gain a ton of water weight and fat. Nothing worse than having to drop alot of flub after a bulk.

**Java Man** · 09-06-2013, 12:29 AM

Really interesting following you along this path. Makes me jealous. I wish I had the $$ to do a proper hgh run. Looking phenomenal.

**Sgt. Hartman** · 09-06-2013, 12:35 AM

Nice boobies bro

looking good!

**MajorPectorial** · 09-06-2013, 06:03 PM

Same here Java great if I had the wonga. Great read for info. U never know eh?. Good to gain the knowledge...

**Buster Brown** · 09-08-2013, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Java Man

Really interesting following you along this path. Makes me jealous. I wish I had the $$ to do a proper hgh run. Looking phenomenal.

I honestly think its the combination of things that really make it work. The prime, combination hgh and t4, and cycling, diet/diet/diet, and training like a dog!!!!

**Buster Brown** · 09-08-2013, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

Nice boobies bro

looking good!

Thanks, I think the hgh /t4 has allowed me to lose some stubborn fat and get my bf down to a decent level without sacrificing muscle mass. Would love to run cycles longer then 8 weeks and hgh @ 8 ius but hate the damn recovery from the long ones.

**Buster Brown** · 09-08-2013, 07:43 AM

I will be running my hgh for three more weeks then take a little break. Well....this is the plan at this point. I think it would be wise to get off of the T4 for a bit and maybe I will just run 2 ius a day until the next campaign. Will be looking to cycle again in 6-8 weeks depending on bloodwork.

**all4baja** · 09-09-2013, 06:44 PM

This is great stuff right here.
Thanks

**Buster Brown** · 09-11-2013, 08:03 AM

Skating through the last week of Pct despite the usual moodiness I get on Clom. Knock on wood I haven't gotten the typical post cycle shoulder injury so life is good. I did have to jump on creatine to retain some body weight. I realize it is water that I am retaining and a bit of my vascularity is being sacrifised but the main goal is to walk out of pct with no injuries and least amount of size loss.

**Buster Brown** · 09-15-2013, 05:51 AM

Pct is done! Yippee!!!!!! Can't say that much has really changed in terms of weight and strength. Seems like dropping the t4 from 100 mcgs to 50 mcgs has slowed my metabolism down just a tad which is ok as I am not trying to lose weight but rather maintain for now. I plan on getting blood work done (for the first time.....yes, shme on me) in six weeks from now to see where my numbers are and will drop the hgh and t4 probably in two weeks until after bloodwork.

**Buster Brown** · 09-20-2013, 09:57 AM

Well... just kinda more of the same. Lifts are solid (knock on wood....no real injuries) and weight is maintaining. Still on the ropes weather to just stay on for another 6 months now that the Cts sides are bearable. Will need to decide soon!

**MajorPectorial** · 09-20-2013, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

Well... just kinda more of the same. Lifts are solid (knock on wood....no real injuries) and weight is maintaining. Still on the ropes weather to just stay on for another 6 months now that the Cts sides are bearable. Will need to decide soon!

I've heard its better to just keep it going. Unlike aas where u cycle. Gh is better simply kept running with aas cycles ran along side. This much I've gleaned from the more experienced users at least.