Slin and carbs after injection

[NormalizeThem]

Hey guys, im starting my first slin cycle and know the basics and dangerous about it.

However, when im reading about it people say the drink vitargo or Dextrose after 15m injection of insulin (humalog).

Im going to start with 6iu humalog and 70g protein hydrowhey after 15m injection + 10g carbs per iu, however I was thinking.

We need fast carbs after insulin, so why not eat gummybears insteed of a vitargo shake? I prefer the taste more from gummybears then vitargo and its the same thing, "simple sugers"

Can someone comment this ide?

[OnTheSauce]

Really you can, and probably should, drink your carb shake right after the shot. I use karbolyn or glycofuse. Tastes great.

[NormalizeThem]

Really you can, and probably should, drink your carb shake right after the shot. I use karbolyn or glycofuse. Tastes great.

I know most people do, but aint it the same thing really as gummybears? Simple and fast sugers?

best regards

[Bonaparte]

Anyone using or recommending Vitargo, carbolyn, or any sort of fast-acting long-chain carb powder for post-insulin use is a fool.
The whole appeal of these products is that they do not spike your blood sugar. So, guess what happens if you pin insulin (which shuttles blood glucose into cells), then take something that does not increase glucose levels? Your blood sugar will drop as if you hadn't ingested any carbs. DO NOT USE VITARGO/WAXY MAIZE IN PLACE OF SUGAR WHEN USING INSULIN.

[NormalizeThem]

Anyone using or recommending Vitargo, carbolyn, or any sort of fast-acting long-chain carb powder for post-insulin use is a fool.
The whole appeal of these products is that they do not spike your blood sugar. So, guess what happens if you pin insulin (which shuttles blood glucose into cells), then take something that does not increase glucose levels? Your blood sugar will drop as if you hadn't ingested any carbs. DO NOT USE VITARGO/WAXY MAIZE IN PLACE OF SUGAR WHEN USING INSULIN.

Well ive never ever been a fan of vitargo, carboloads or gainers tbh. I mean make a whey shake with alot protein and add some fruit or candy and its basically the same thing.

My point is, after slin inject all we want is ofc protein and carbs (suger). So why not eat some candy that is pure suger like gummybears or twizzlers or candy corn. Its all suger anyway, no fats and just carbs - suger. And thats what we want after slin!

Or am I wrong??

[OnTheSauce]

I can assure you glycofuse stabilizes my BG post insulin. It's dextrin

[Bonaparte]

It is Highly Branched Cyclic Dextrin. While it may provide a steady release of glucose into the bloodstream for up to 4 hours, it isn't delivering the sort of glucose spike needed/desired when using a fast-acting insulin (based on the claims of a much lower GI/insulin response by manufacturers). You personally may not be dropping your BGL to dangerous levels (because you're using fairly conservative doses and/or your large protein intake is taking up the slack), but it would be safer, more effective, and much cheaper to use a simple sugar. These products are still relatively untested and it is dangerous to depend on them to prevent hypoglycemia. Now, if you believe the hype and think they're superior to other slow carb sources, then by all means, supplement with them as well, but please don't depend on them after pinning insulin.

[nafnlaus]

to op, you probably want to work your way up to that dosage. 10g per iu does not apply to all, some higher - some lower.

and about this gummy bear thought here, they probably are not the best way to get sugars. As sugary as they are they are also mostly pork fat, fat will slow the carb utilizing process...

[OnTheSauce]

It is Highly Branched Cyclic Dextrin. While it may provide a steady release of glucose into the bloodstream for up to 4 hours, it isn't delivering the sort of glucose spike needed/desired when using a fast-acting insulin (based on the claims of a much lower GI/insulin response by manufacturers). You personally may not be dropping your BGL to dangerous levels (because you're using fairly conservative doses and/or your large protein intake is taking up the slack), but it would be safer, more effective, and much cheaper to use a simple sugar. These products are still relatively untested and it is dangerous to depend on them to prevent hypoglycemia. Now, if you believe the hype and think they're superior to other slow carb sources, then by all means, supplement with them as well, but please don't depend on them after pinning insulin.

Been using glycofuse and heavily monitoring BG this year. It works. I use 10iu apidra 2x per day. You can see one of my threads on apidra onset time in this subsection. Although heavily untested by the industry, I've done a good bit of it myself. Obviously do keep Gatorade and dextrose tabs handy, but it actually works very well in stabilizing the slin. I do 5gr per iu and 15min after the carb shake, I have a 50gr whey shake. At 1hr mark a big carb/protein meal

[OnTheSauce]

and about this gummy bear thought here, they probably are not the best way to get sugars. As sugary as they are they are also mostly pork fat, fat will slow the carb utilizing process...

Good point

[Bonaparte]

to op, you probably want to work your way up to that dosage. 10g per iu does not apply to all, some higher - some lower.

and about this gummy bear thought here, they probably are not the best way to get sugars. As sugary as they are they are also mostly pork fat, fat will slow the carb utilizing process...

They're actually sugar and animal gelatin, which is made from collagen (a protein with a poor amino acid profile). But yeah, they're still not ideal for this reason.

[NormalizeThem]

to op, you probably want to work your way up to that dosage. 10g per iu does not apply to all, some higher - some lower.

and about this gummy bear thought here, they probably are not the best way to get sugars. As sugary as they are they are also mostly pork fat, fat will slow the carb utilizing process...

Im starting with 5iu and work it up to 10iu, ofc if I find it to hard il stay around 7-8iu..

Gummybears are all suger, no fat at all. And its a fast acting suger, so what difference does it make it really? I dont understand that.

best regards

[NormalizeThem]

They're actually sugar and animal gelatin, which is made from collagen (a protein with a poor amino acid profile). But yeah, they're still not ideal for this reason.

As you say, gummy bears are all suger and no fat, its like 3g protein in 100g gummybears and ofc a shit amino profile. However I eat it for the fast acting suger carbs. Dont you think its a good source, if not what would you recommend? Please don't recommend me a carb shake, I cant stand it and hate the flavors from them.

best regards

[Bonaparte]

As you say, gummy bears are all suger and no fat, its like 3g protein in 100g gummybears and ofc a shit amino profile. However I eat it for the fast acting suger carbs. Dont you think its a good source, if not what would you recommend? Please don't recommend me a carb shake, I cant stand it and hate the flavors from them.

best regards

The gelatin will slow digestion. So no, not a good carb source.
Just go with table sugar or dextrose mixed with a hydrolyzed whey shake.

If you just want to eat gummy bears because they're yummy, then you probably should be playing with Pokemon cards instead of insulin.

[OnTheSauce]

If you just want to eat gummy bears because they're yummy, then you probably should be playing with Pokemon cards instead of insulin.

Lmao. Funniest thing I've read today

[slimshady01]

Karbolyn is supposed to peak 18% faster then Dextrose and then maintain a steadier level there after. I know plenty of guys that rave about it for their post insulin shot.

Im starting slin soon but my max will be 5iu no more. I will use Karbolyn but I also pinning HumR which is slow anyways so it should match up nice.

I will test my BG after a Karbolyn shake to see how high it gets before using slin.