first time using hgh

[terry w]

I have been natural bodybuilding for years now and i think i have hit my genetic limit. I had done extensive research on steroids and was about to start my first cycle of test. then i started reading about hgh and how i will keep my gains better and all the weight i gain will be muscle and not water. Also i heard that hgh is safer and has a lot less side effects. My goals are to gain mass period. Now my questions are are...:

are injectables better than pills?
how many ius should i take?
how long should you take hgh?
Do you need to do any other stuff with it (like pct for steroids) (hcg,ai,serm)
Is hgh safer than anabolic steroids

[MACKATTACK]

You are 22. Too young for HGH and I would wait on the AAS too.

[terry w]

im going to do what i want thanks for the caution tho

[MACKATTACK]

im going to do what i want thanks for the caution tho

You obviously didnt do any research, because you would see that HGH levels at that age are high and would do nothing basically for you. Unless you took high high dosages and it would cost an arm and a leg. but good luck messing up your system at such a young age. You obviously dont see the bigger picture.

[terry w]

i havent done any research yet thats why im on here. but you are quite the condescending tough guy on the internet. anyone have any answers that help me?

[MACKATTACK]

i havent done any research yet thats why im on here. but you are quite the condescending tough guy on the internet. anyone have any answers that help me?

You only want to hear what you want. Sounds like you are immature. Ive been here a long time and you dont seem like someone thats gonna last. You just want sh!t on a silver platter.........

[marcus300]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus



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[marcus300]

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.



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[ScotchGuard02]

I have been natural bodybuilding for years now and i think i have hit my genetic limit. I had done extensive research on steroids and was about to start my first cycle of test. then i started reading about hgh and how i will keep my gains better and all the weight i gain will be muscle and not water. Also i heard that hgh is safer and has a lot less side effects. My goals are to gain mass period. Now my questions are are...:

There's not much to add after Marcus's post but at least I'll answer your questions.

are injectables better than pills? There is NO oral HGH that I know of that works. HGH is an organic protein and can't survive the liver pass, so oral is out. Injections are the best way to administer HGH. I read a study where a dermal approach was taken but the max size for through skin transfer is 50nm and HGH molecules are bigger than 50nm.

how many ius should i take? I take 5iu/ed

how long should you take hgh? At least 6 months. This is my 6th year that I've been on HGH. Really great stuff.

Do you need to do any other stuff with it (like pct for steroids) (hcg,ai,serm) No PCT needed for HGH

Is hgh safer than anabolic steroids You need to define "safe". I will affect your HPTA when you're endo system is developing. It could damage it but do you really want to take the chance?

I take HGH and AAS, let me get that out first. I'm also 53 years old. I get a huge benefit from AAS and HGH because my body doesn't produce much of it anymore. For you younger guys, stay natural for as looooong as you can. Stay away from AAS and HGH until you've maximized your natural potential. I don't think guys maximize their natural potential at 20 to 25. I started AAS and HGH in my late 40's and I was still getting stronger, naturally, before I started AAS and HGH.