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    Regulation of muscle mass by growth hormone and IGF-I

    Have been studying this interesting article:

    Regulation of muscle mass by growth hormone and IGF-I


    Would like to discuss in forum some of the conclusions.

    "The use of GH in amateur and professional sports seems to be widespread, although the evidence is quite strong that supraphysiological GH administration does not potentiate the effects of exercise on muscle mass and strength in healthy individuals. IGF-I use is probably more limited as it is less readily available than GH."

    "The attraction of GH abuse may be due to several reasons (Rennie, 2003; Rigamonti et al., 2005; Saugy et al., 2006; Gibney et al., 2007). First, GH is lipolytic although this benefit may not always be evident in well-trained athletes with low body fat (Deyssig et al., 1993). Second, GH has known effects on collagen and bone turnover and it has been suggested that its supraphysiological administration may strengthen connective tissue thereby paralleling increase in strength brought about by exercise (or other measures such as anabolic steroids), thus decreasing risk of injury to these tissues. Third, GH has anectodal side effects such as improving skin tone, eyesight and recovery time from injury, all of which may be considered beneficial to the athlete undergoing strenuous training. Fourth, athletes often take performance-enhancing substances in combination, a practice known as stacking. Appropriate, placebo controlled trials using GH in combination with other substances are few. Fifth, at the higher doses reportedly used by athletes, GH may be more effective than at the doses approved for research studies, which are limited due to complications associated with GH administration. The fluid retention which occurs with GH is usually well tolerated and most subjects are happy to remain on GH. Athralgia, carpal tunnel syndrome, oedema and atrial fibrillation are reported in studies using GH administration sometimes leading subjects to withdraw."


    So, the author states that in the various studies there is no evidence that GH increases muscle mass in healthy individuals, but that in these studies the dose of GH might be low for muscle mass increase.


    "The mechanisms that lead to muscle adaptation to overload are not completely understood. Neither are those that regulate muscle mass development and maintenance. GH and IGF-I clearly play a role in muscle development pre- and postnatally. In GHD adults, there is evidence that serum GH affects muscle mass maintenance, but in healthy adults neither GH nor IGF-I has or enhances the hypertrophic effects of exercise. In contrast, much evidence supports the hypertrophic effect of autocrine/paracrine IGF-I in animals and suggests that it may play a role in adaptation to overload in both animals and humans. Increased muscle expression of IGF-I also enhances the effects of training in animals. Local injection of GH or IGF-I protein or plasmids is effective in animal models and may eventually be used with therapeutic ends. There is evidence for an effect of GH on other performance parameters that is related to increased lean body mass as opposed to increased skeletal muscle mass"

    What I found interesting is that they state evidence of local injections of GH or IGF1 being capable of increasing muscle mass locally.

    Anyone have an opinion on this?


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    I haven't looked at the above link to see what dose and time scale these studies were done but hgh therapy needs to be done for a long time at higher end dosages to see any kind of muscle tissue gains and for the best results gh therapy needs to be ran with AAS to see the synergy between the two to produce new tissue.

    Muscle increase at site is nonsense IMHO, maybe the local fat loss at site which does occur may give the appearance of tissue gains but again I haven't read the studies quoted. You also need to look at the bodybuilders who have been using gh this will give you an idea what gh therapy does, if you loo at the athletes now verse the guys in the 70s you can see some serious differences and that's mostly down to GH/ slin therapy with their enhancing protocols.

    IGF1 is impossible to get hold of these days, the LR3 and other versions are complete rubbish and don't do a dame thing for muscle tissue growth, no matter what you here or see its not true and its all marketing hype to suck guys into paying large amounts of money in return of something special which is just not the case.

    I've experienced serious muscle mass increases with HGH and many of my friends have, I also must state that ive only ever used slin twice and haven't been a huge slin users at all but HGH ive done it all and my best transformation was when I was on it for 3 yrs straight cycling one and off AAS and using up to 15 ius daily but short term usage doesn't do anything for tissue gains but general health and fat loss its a great at a lower end daily dose.

    Would be nice to know how many ius they were taking and how long the studies were done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Would be nice to know how many ius they were taking and how long the studies were done.
    "Taaffe et al. (1994, 1996) showed that in healthy elderly men (mean age 70.3 years) myofibre CSA and strength gains were not different between those following a resistance training programme in combination with recombinant human GH (rhGH) or placebo. In two other studies, both on 31 elderly males (mean age >70 years), GH plus exercise had no effect over placebo plus exercise on strength, power or hypertrophy gains following 12 weeks (Lange et al., 2002) or 6 months (Hennessey et al., 2001) administration and training."

    Taaffe et al. (1994, 1996), here they used 0,02mg/kg HGH, so 5.3ui for a 80kgs person, for 10 weeks.

    Lange et al., 2002, here they used a maximum of 1,5ui for 12 weeks.

    Could not find values for the 3rd study which was 6 months.

    All the studies were made in elderly ppl (+-70 years old), so its likely the testosterone levels were really low. Like you said, it would be very interesting if supraphysiological levels of testosterone had been added, or at least a base line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Muscle increase at site is nonsense IMHO, maybe the local fat loss at site which does occur may give the appearance of tissue gains but again I haven't read the studies quoted. You also need to look at the bodybuilders who have been using gh this will give you an idea what gh therapy does, if you loo at the athletes now verse the guys in the 70s you can see some serious differences and that's mostly down to GH/ slin therapy with their enhancing protocols.
    Some of the studies that support their statement of localized growth for GH and IGF1 injected muscles:

    Evidence suggesting that the direct growth-promoting effect of growth hormone on cartilage in vivo is mediated by local production of somatomedin.

    Localized infusion of IGF-I results in skeletal muscle hypertrophy in rats | Journal of Applied Physiology

    Growth hormone stimulates longitudinal bone growth directly. - PubMed - NCBI

    "Direct infusion of either GH or IGF-I into rat muscle does result in increased mass providing evidence that it is the local autocrine/paracrine rather than systemic endocrine effects that are important for hypertrophy (Adams and McCue, 1998). GH infusion also leads to increased IGF-I protein in the infused muscle, so it is likely that the hypertrophic effects of GH are mediated by locally produced IGF-I.

    In support of this, there is strong evidence that the effects of GH in bone are mediated by locally produced IGF-I. GH stimulates longitudinal bone growth when injected directly into the proximal tibial epiphyseal growth plates of hypophysectomized rats, but only on the injected side (Isaksson et al., 1982). Coinfusion of anti-IGF-I antiserum together with GH into the arterial supply of the hindlimb completely abolishes the effect of GH (Schlechter et al., 1986). GH treatment also increases the number of IGF-immunoreactive cells and IGF-I messenger RNA expression in the proliferative zone of the growth plate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    "Taaffe et al. (1994, 1996) showed that in healthy elderly men (mean age 70.3 years) myofibre CSA and strength gains were not different between those following a resistance training programme in combination with recombinant human GH (rhGH) or placebo. In two other studies, both on 31 elderly males (mean age >70 years), GH plus exercise had no effect over placebo plus exercise on strength, power or hypertrophy gains following 12 weeks (Lange et al., 2002) or 6 months (Hennessey et al., 2001) administration and training."

    Taaffe et al. (1994, 1996), here they used 0,02mg/kg HGH, so 5.3ui for a 80kgs person, for 10 weeks.

    Lange et al., 2002, here they used a maximum of 1,5ui for 12 weeks.

    Could not find values for the 3rd study which was 6 months.

    All the studies were made in elderly ppl (+-70 years old), so its likely the testosterone levels were really low. Like you said, it would be very interesting if supraphysiological levels of testosterone had been added, or at least a base line.
    70yr old men! for 12 weeks isn't a proper study to see the benefits of muscle tissue gains in athletes. Kind of pointless study in regards to the bodybuilding community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Some of the studies that support their statement of localized growth for GH and IGF1 injected muscles:

    Evidence suggesting that the direct growth-promoting effect of growth hormone on cartilage in vivo is mediated by local production of somatomedin.

    Localized infusion of IGF-I results in skeletal muscle hypertrophy in rats | Journal of Applied Physiology

    Growth hormone stimulates longitudinal bone growth directly. - PubMed - NCBI

    "Direct infusion of either GH or IGF-I into rat muscle does result in increased mass providing evidence that it is the local autocrine/paracrine rather than systemic endocrine effects that are important for hypertrophy (Adams and McCue, 1998). GH infusion also leads to increased IGF-I protein in the infused muscle, so it is likely that the hypertrophic effects of GH are mediated by locally produced IGF-I.

    In support of this, there is strong evidence that the effects of GH in bone are mediated by locally produced IGF-I. GH stimulates longitudinal bone growth when injected directly into the proximal tibial epiphyseal growth plates of hypophysectomized rats, but only on the injected side (Isaksson et al., 1982). Coinfusion of anti-IGF-I antiserum together with GH into the arterial supply of the hindlimb completely abolishes the effect of GH (Schlechter et al., 1986). GH treatment also increases the number of IGF-immunoreactive cells and IGF-I messenger RNA expression in the proliferative zone of the growth plate.
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    Rats and bone growth....I wouldn't look at studies like this and look towards guys who are humans, weight training, long term studies and if you could ever find any ones what used AAS along side. Localized bone growth in rats isn't what I would base anything on to be honest

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    Rats are as about as close as we can come to testing things like this with approval from the human research ethics committee.

    Thanks for the post Mr.BB!

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