MK677 & CJC w/dac LOG!!

[jimmyinkedup]

Im going to log my mk677 (ibutamaren) & CJC run here!
I have been very interested in mk677 and the possibilities of a peptide stack that would allow for reduced pinning yet still providing an effective GH/IGF increase. With the reduced pinning a cjc w/dac offers along with the oral method of administration that mk677 provides this stack has the potential to fit the bill. I am not plodding in haphazardly here. I have been looking into mk for quite a long time as my thoughts on oral GH secretagogues has always been that they are garbage but mk677 has the data to support the contention that it is actually and orally effective GHRP, which is pretty exciting to me.
My dosages will be as follows:
mk677- 25mg/day, before bed. 5 days on, 2 days off.
CJC w/ dac- 250mcg injected sub q, e3d, also before bed.
Im probably going to throw in some horny goat weed and green tea extract to prevent GHIH from increasing but I am only doing so because I have a boatload of both of those supplements. I think running the compounds I am and running the mk 5 on, 2 off would negate the necessity of using those 2 supps I also think adding them sure wont hurt.
My first use of this run will be tonight. As far as how long I plan on running this, well I have about 12 weeks worth of mk which I think is long enough to see if this is worth continuing. I have plenty of cjc w/dac so thats not a factor in the length of this run at all. So It will be at least a 12 week run and if it is proving effective then it will likely turn into 6 months before I take a month or 2 off from the stack.
Please follow along and all input is welcome!

[NACH3]

Subscribed! Should be fun...

[davidtheman100]

I'm following manee

[jimmyinkedup]

OK - Thanks for following along gents.
I had some baseline BW drawn and as soon as I get the results Ill post them here. I really wanted to get some concrete #'s with this stack and get some facts on what it really does.

9/2/2015: So last night was my first use. The MK677 is dosed at 25mg/ml and has a really strong peppermint flavor. Took 25mg (1ml) and then I pinned (sub q) a tad over 250mcg of the cjc w/dac. I didnt really notice anything. I slept like a log but I was exhausted last night and I dont think it had anything to do with what I took. I took some Green Tea Extract and Horny Goat Weed this am. Ill be taking both of those supps 3x/day. Thats prob gonna be the hardest part- remembering to take the supps.
I am really happy to have gotten this started. Ill be updating regularly.

[NACH3]

Thanks for following along gents.
I had some baseline BW drawn and as soon as I get the results Ill post them here. I really wanted to get some concrete #'s with this stack and get some facts on what it really does.
So last night was my first use. The MK677 is dosed at 25mg/ml and has a really strong peppermint flavor. Took 25mg (1ml) and then I pinned (sub q) a tad over 250mcg of the cjc w/dac. I didnt really notice anything. I slept like a log but I was exhausted last night and I dont think it had anything to do with what I took. I took some Green Tea Extract and Horny Goat Weed this am. Ill be taking both of those supps 3x/day. Thats prob gonna be the hardest part- remembering to take the supps.
I am really happy to have gotten this started. Ill be updating regularly.

Jimmy, does the mk677 need to be run for those 12wks so that you know if it's worth running it for 6months? I'm very interested in your results... Are you going to be getting your GH IGF-1 levels tested? If so it's purely based on your GH pulse correct?

[jimmyinkedup]

Jimmy, does the mk677 need to be run for those 12wks so that you know if it's worth running it for 6months? I'm very interested in your results... Are you going to be getting your GH IGF-1 levels tested? If so it's purely based on your GH pulse correct?

In my mind something like this that impacts gh and igf the minimum you can run it and make any kind of judgement is 12 weeks. They work slowly. These logs on mk where people run it for 4-6 weeks and say it did this and that, well there really is no way. Ask anyone that has run real gh and they will tell you the results are there but it takes time.

I got HGH& IGF levels tested. I did the bw in the am and fasted and ill retest about 6-7weeks in under the same conditions. The CJC w/dac will elevate my baseline levels , not just the pulse, so regardless I should see a corresponding increase in both gh & igf levels.
Here is the thing, I have no doubt this combo is going to raise both things. The question is how much and what will the increase do in the real world. So many times people rant and rave about oh my test levels went up 400 points when I took xyz supplement but the fact is 400 point increase in test wont do anything (unless maybe you have low T to start). Same thing here. I know the increase will be there but what I really care about is what will it translate to as far as results. Will it just improve my sense of well being and sleep? Will it do that plus improve my skin, hair and nails? Will it do those things plus burn body fat? Will it do all 3 aforementioned plus build lean body mass? Get my point? I want to know and judge on real world effects not numbers but I also was interested in seeing the numbers as well.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Why dont you add LGD to it? But i Guess Your pri goal for this ride is not to put on muscles, just to see if your elevated hgh igf Levels from those two Sources, as you said, will give real benefits.
So you actually can use them in a real max massbuilding cycle in the future.
But i think i would add test or test and lgd to it. Cycling just for testing is not my cup of tea. Actually im beginning a low test and lgd soon. Too many good stories to not try it out. Good muscle gains without the sides. Would be awesome.

[jimmyinkedup]

Why dont you add LGD to it? But i Guess Your pri goal for this ride is not to put on muscles, just to see if your elevated hgh igf Levels from those two Sources, as you said, will give real benefits.
So you actually can use them in a real max massbuilding cycle in the future.
But i think i would add test or test and lgd to it. Cycling just for testing is not my cup of tea. Actually im beginning a low test and lgd soon. Too many good stories to not try it out. Good muscle gains without the sides. Would be awesome.

If I use other things I really wont know what to attribute to which compounds. Ill be using this stack while cutting as a prime for my next cycle and if after 12 weeks of this I like it I will be continuing with this stack alongside my bulk cycle.
I have no desire to use LGD at all. Its a waste IMO. So suppressive you cant use without a test base and if I am going to be on anyway (ie: test base) there are much better actual steroids I can use that will yield better results. LGD is not for me.

[NACH3]

In my mind something like this that impacts gh and igf the minimum you can run it and make any kind of judgement is 12 weeks. They work slowly. These logs on mk where people run it for 4-6 weeks and say it did this and that, well there really is no way. Ask anyone that has run real gh and they will tell you the results are there but it takes time.

I got HGH& IGF levels tested. I did the bw in the am and fasted and ill retest about 6-7weeks in under the same conditions. The CJC w/dac will elevate my baseline levels , not just the pulse, so regardless I should see a corresponding increase in both gh & igf levels.
Here is the thing, I have no doubt this combo is going to raise both things. The question is how much and what will the increase do in the real world. So many times people rant and rave about oh my test levels went up 400 points when I took xyz supplement but the fact is 400 point increase in test wont do anything (unless maybe you have low T to start). Same thing here. I know the increase will be there but what I really care about is what will it translate to as far as results. Will it just improve my sense of well being and sleep? Will it do that plus improve my skin, hair and nails? Will it do those things plus burn body fat? Will it do all 3 aforementioned plus build lean body mass? Get my point? I want to know and judge on real world effects not numbers but I also was interested in seeing the numbers as well.

Great write up - Thx for reading between my lines lol - those were exactly the characteristics I was looking for as well... And I knew the 12 wks was more or less a test to see if it's worth continuing - I figured you were priming, too!

[RaginCajun]

i have been interested in this, will be following along!

[MrFreshmaker]

Subscribed.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Now i have studied the MK-677 more deeply too and its really interessting. And not so expensive. 150 dollars for 50 days at your dosages jimmy. And an easy oral administration.

[jimmyinkedup]

9/3/2015: So last night I took 25mg MK677 before bed. I also remembered to take my Horny Goat Weed and Green Tea Extract 3x yesterday. Woke up this am and took my HGW & GTE right along with my daily cialis, daily NAC and my multi. Once again I slept great last night but similar to the day before I was pretty wiped out so I sure cant say it had anything to do with the MK677 I took or the CJC I pinned the day before. Pretty boring update but i know this is going to take some time. Thanks for following!

[AR's King Silabolin]

why dont you add pomegranate-and grape-juice and garlic to you protocols Jimmi? Thats my top 3 healthangels, (also NAC, omega 3,6, 9 and multi ofcourse) expecially when on gear. Their studies convinst me. Never saw BW dockumentaries but i will get one soon and my reseller could tell some of his customers got better BW from garlic. And soldiers in the trenches during the wars were given garlic to stay fit for figth!

[jimmyinkedup]

why dont you add pomegranate-and grape-juice and garlic to you protocols Jimmi? Thats my top 3 healthangels, (also NAC, omega 3,6, 9 and multi ofcourse) expecially when on gear. Their studies convinst me. Never saw BW dockumentaries but i will get one soon and my reseller could tell some of his customers got better BW from garlic. And soldiers in the trenches during the wars were given garlic to stay fit for figth!

I think I am cool with my normal supplementation routine just adding in the HGW & GTE to combat the potential increase of GHIH.

[AR's King Silabolin]

You dont belive in ipamorelin ?

"Ipamorelin is the first growth hormone releasing peptide to be developed that has the unique selective property of stimulating only the release of GH without also significantly increasing cortisol, or prolactin, even at doses more than 200 times higher than an average effective dose. It has no effect on testosterone , LH, or FSH levels and no post cycle therapy is needed after using it. It releases GH with a strength comparable to GHRP6, but without the associated side effects. This makes ipamorelin a wonderful candidate for research and probably the safest peptide to use. In a clinical study conducted on 48 adult men, even mega doses of 600mcg/kg were demonstrated to be safe and well tolerated."

[NACH3]

You dont belive in ipamorelin ?

"Ipamorelin is the first growth hormone releasing peptide to be developed that has the unique selective property of stimulating only the release of GH without also significantly increasing cortisol, or prolactin, even at doses more than 200 times higher than an average effective dose. It has no effect on testosterone, LH, or FSH levels and no post cycle therapy is needed after using it. It releases GH with a strength comparable to GHRP6, but without the associated side effects. This makes ipamorelin a wonderful candidate for research and probably the safest peptide to use. In a clinical study conducted on 48 adult men, even mega doses of 600mcg/kg were demonstrated to be safe and well tolerated."

Jimmy did a log on IPA/& GHRPs/GHRHs I believe... In the past... It should be in the 6mil posts...

[jimmyinkedup]

You dont belive in ipamorelin ?

"Ipamorelin is the first growth hormone releasing peptide to be developed that has the unique selective property of stimulating only the release of GH without also significantly increasing cortisol, or prolactin, even at doses more than 200 times higher than an average effective dose. It has no effect on testosterone, LH, or FSH levels and no post cycle therapy is needed after using it. It releases GH with a strength comparable to GHRP6, but without the associated side effects. This makes ipamorelin a wonderful candidate for research and probably the safest peptide to use. In a clinical study conducted on 48 adult men, even mega doses of 600mcg/kg were demonstrated to be safe and well tolerated."

Sure I believe in Ipamorelin. I think its a great GHRP and definitely has its place. Nach is right I have used it in the past and I am sure I will be using it again sometime in the future.

[jimmyinkedup]

9/4/2015:
So last night I took my 25mg MK677 and again I slept like a log. People have reported some restlessness with this stuff but I dont know if because I am using the CJC w/DAC alongside it or what but I am sleeping like a baby. In fact I am waking up a little groggy for a few minutes until I clear the cobwebs. I seem to be getting a deep, deep sleep. That's great for me as sometimes I have sleep issues. I did good with my supps yesterday as well. Took the HGW & GTE, all 3 doses, yesterday. This am upon waking I did my normal NAC, Cialis, Multi, HGW, & GTE.
One thing I did notice this am is I am retaining a bit of water. Now in all fairness i ate a LOT of sauerkraut yesterday. Way more than I probably should have. I had pork tenderloin w/ sauerkraut along with red potatoes for dinner. I ate a ton of the sauerkraut and while it has little impact macro wise there is a lot of sodium in it so the water could very well be from that. Its something Ill keep an eye on and update as to whether I lose the water retention or if it is possibly from the mk/cjc stack.
Tonight will be my second shot of CJC w/DAC. My orginal dosing plan was 250mcg E3D but my first dose I did what was probably 300mcg and I think I am going to keep doing a tad over the initial planned 250mcg making the dose 300mcg E3D.

[jimmyinkedup]

9/10/2015:
OK so have been away for quite a few days here but have stayed on point. As far as effects what I am noticing is still pretty much the same. Good, solid sleep for me. I am retaining water but my diet admittedly hasnt been the best. Being away I havent gone crazy but I def havent been totally on point so that is to be expected.
What I am hoping it that by early next week I will have been bak on track and in my routine enough to give a good , solid report of any progress.
Thanks for following!

[NACH3]

9/10/2015:
OK so have been away for quite a few days here but have stayed on point. As far as effects what I am noticing is still pretty much the same. Good, solid sleep for me. I am retaining water but my diet admittedly hasnt been the best. Being away I havent gone crazy but I def havent been totally on point so that is to be expected.
What I am hoping it that by early next week I will have been bak on track and in my routine enough to give a good , solid report of any progress.
Thanks for following!

Jimmy,

I've been reading up more on this and it seems that many will hold water in the early stages... Admittingly you've said your diet isn't where it ought to be ATM - but is there a reason for this water retention - or is it just your hormones in flux for the most part? Thx

[956Vette]

Thanks for the log jimmy! I may have missed...however do you mention you're on HRT/TRT and/or AAS?

[RaginCajun]

Just wondering, will the MK677 help out with healing and immune system?

[davidtheman100]

Still following man hope to hear from you soon

[jimmyinkedup]

Jimmy,

I've been reading up more on this and it seems that many will hold water in the early stages... Admittingly you've said your diet isn't where it ought to be ATM - but is there a reason for this water retention - or is it just your hormones in flux for the most part? Thx

Its interesting you ask this as I have been thinking about it quite a bit. People (and especially companies selling it) are blaming this on the increase in GH. As some users of GH will tell you there can be some water retention and tightness of the skin (especially in the hands) due to water retention when taking GH. Here is the thing though, even though mk provides a nice increase in GH it is nowhere near t the amount it would have to be for GH to be the culprit for retaining water in this case. This got me investigating and I personally feel that the water retention these users are experiencing is due to the effects that Ghrellin has on Vasopression or ADH (anti dieuretic hormone). As mk is essentially a GHRP and a ghrellin mimetic, thats why I feeel users are experiencing this side with mk. A simple low dose daily aspirin protocol may minimize this side due to its effects on Vasopressin.

Thanks for the log jimmy! I may have missed...however do you mention you're on HRT/TRT and/or AAS?

ATM I an taking nothing other than this peptide stack vette!

Just wondering, will the MK677 help out with healing and immune system?

No more so than a low dose GH protocol would for whatever thats worth RC.

[jimmyinkedup]

9/15/2015:
Well so far so good. I think I can say a few preliminary things as far as this stack goes and also I am making a dosing change in my cjc.
I was running cjc w/dac at 250-300mcg E3D. I have decided to up this to 500mcg E3D effective immediately. I just feel that the increase will put me right in the sweet spot or at least the low end of the sweet spot as far as CJC w/DAC dosing goes.
As far as effects with my diet having been cleaned up for a bit now I will say the water retention is diminishing.
My sleep has been excellent. To the point that it has consistently been so to the point that I can attribute this to the peptide stack as normally great sleep is not something I regularly experience.
My appetite is up. Now they say this compound doesnt cause this but for me I def notice aa slight inrease in appetite. Not so much quantity of food when I eat but thee frequency with which I get hungry has increased. It is or would be far from an issue when cutting, I am not ravenous but def hungry quite often.
I fel pretty good. A combo of things I am sure, good sleep and the gh effects of this stack. My mood is very good.
All in all I am starting to expereince what I would on a low dose GH protcol but I am not going to kid myself or anyone following I cannot yet say anything aas far as physical effects or benefits. This is not of concern to me nor is it disconcerting at all. I know how these peptides (and even real GH) work. They take time.
My preliminary thought is that the stack is on track to be doing what I had hoped, increasing my GH (and igf) to therapeutic levels. What that will translate to as far as results can only be told by time so I will keep plugging along and pay close attention to the way , I look, feel and physically progress in addition to gather hard data in the form of numbers and we will see how this mk677/cjc w/dac stack ultimately shakes out.
Thanks for following guys!

[kelkel]

Sub'd.

[Joco71]

Following Jimmy. Good Luck!!

[jimmyinkedup]

9/19/2015:
All is going well. I have upped my cjc dose to 500mcg/injection. My sleep continues to be excellent. The appetite increase is slight but there. I do not get a huge increases like I see some report, just very slight and it doesnt seem to be in the form of the amount of food i consume per sitting. It seems to be more in the form of the frequency with which i get hungry. Honestly I would almost consider this effect a non issue either way. Is it there- yes. Would it in any way hinder if I were cutting- no. Would it help while bulking I guess maybe very slightly.
As far as bloat with my diet in check and a low dose daily aspirin regiment I dont have an issue with it at all. I really recommend those experiencing the bloat issue looks closely at your diet and give the 82mg enteric aspirin, 1x/day, a try.
I guess thats about all to report ATM. Nothing real exciting oother than I think this stuff does do something as far as my HGH & IGF levels. What blood work will tell and how much time will tell. Stay tuned.

[GirlyGymRat]

Subd

[jimmyinkedup]

9/30/2015:
Ok so things are moving along nicely. I think it is good i bumped my cjc w/dac up to 500mcg E3D. That and the 25mg mk/ day seem to be a nice combo for a low dose , GH inducing peptide stack. Obviously I will know more when I get my blood work with some numbers but I can def feel a couple things that tell me I have increased GH levels.
My sleep is great, appetite is good, my sense of well being is very good. I have nice clear skin and the wife tells me my disposition is very good lately. These are all early on signs for me that I have increased levels of GH.
Just wanted to update things- nothing earth shattering to report but keeping this moving along.
My early on thoughts: mk really is an effective oral GHRP without some of the downsides of other GHRPS as far as adverse hormonal effects and minimal appetite impact.

[RaginCajun]

thanks for keeping us updated jimmyinkedup!

i am wondering if this combo will help me with my knots, tight muscles, and heal faster (i bruise like a woman!!!)

[jimmyinkedup]

thanks for keeping us updated jimmyinkedup!

i am wondering if this combo will help me with my knots, tight muscles, and heal faster (i bruise like a woman!!!)

Have you run GH before? Or a gh inducing peptide stack? The reason I ask is that if you have ever done a 2-3iu/day gh regiment thats what you would be looking at effects wise I would estimate. I have to say one of the reasons I like GH at a low dose or the GHRP/GHRH peptide stacks that mimic the low dose GH results is that I feel great when I take them. I have a fantastic sense of well being and physically I just feel better. I sleep better. Its an overall well being that I cant describe exactly but I like very much. I will tell you what if I could afford or get prescribed pharma gh Id run it for the rest of my life at 2-3iu's /day.

[RaginCajun]

Have you run GH before? Or a gh inducing peptide stack? The reason I ask is that if you have ever done a 2-3iu/day gh regiment thats what you would be looking at effects wise I would estimate. I have to say one of the reasons I like GH at a low dose or the GHRP/GHRH peptide stacks that mimic the low dose GH results is that I feel great when I take them. I have a fantastic sense of well being and physically I just feel better. I sleep better. Its an overall well being that I cant describe exactly but I like very much. I will tell you what if I could afford or get prescribed pharma gh Id run it for the rest of my life at 2-3iu's /day.

only stack i ran was 1295 CJC w/ dac and Ipamorelin. i don't think that i ran it long enough to really get the effects but i do remember sleeping a little deeper on it. i would love to see what real hgh would do for me. i will keep following along here, thanks for your imput as always. I want to save up for this stack you are doing so that i can run it for at least a year.

[jimmyinkedup]

only stack i ran was 1295 CJC w/ dac and Ipamorelin. i don't think that i ran it long enough to really get the effects but i do remember sleeping a little deeper on it. i would love to see what real hgh would do for me. i will keep following along here, thanks for your imput as always. I want to save up for this stack you are doing so that i can run it for at least a year.

Actually the stack I am running would be very comparable to the one you ran. The benefit to mk instead of Ipam is 2-fold IMO.
First of all no injections except the cjc w/dac which you can do 2x/week if you want. I am doing E3D.
Second it seems like mk increases IGF slightly more than Ipam, actually its more than slightly more, its a pretty significant IGF increase. The GH increase is comparable between the 2 (which is interesting as the 2 usually go hand in hand) but IGF mk has the nod.
I am running this stack and reevaluating after 12 weeks. That should put me close to Thanksgiving, maybe a week or so before. Anyway if after 12 weeks I like it I plan on going another 12 weeks. I really feel the longer the better. I feel like 12 weeks is a minimum but fair amount of time to assess if it is working to my benefit and worth continuing. The longer the better when it comes to GH and if you run the mk 5on/2off there is really no reason to take any time off that i can see.

[NACH3]

I'm really thinking of this Jimmy - unless I get prescribed real GH for my shoulder and my IGF 1 levels are a lil low(primary hypogonadal) I've been accepted for 2iu/day but I'd only consider it unless I can run it for life... Hence the reasons inmsy try this stack your on!

I agree low dose GH for life is the way to go then ramp it up if possible while on cycle - how many iu's would a ramp dose be on cycle after having been on GH for at least 6-9 months??

[RaginCajun]

Actually the stack I am running would be very comparable to the one you ran. The benefit to mk instead of Ipam is 2-fold IMO.
First of all no injections except the cjc w/dac which you can do 2x/week if you want. I am doing E3D.
Second it seems like mk increases IGF slightly more than Ipam, actually its more than slightly more, its a pretty significant IGF increase. The GH increase is comparable between the 2 (which is interesting as the 2 usually go hand in hand) but IGF mk has the nod.
I am running this stack and reevaluating after 12 weeks. That should put me close to Thanksgiving, maybe a week or so before. Anyway if after 12 weeks I like it I plan on going another 12 weeks. I really feel the longer the better. I feel like 12 weeks is a minimum but fair amount of time to assess if it is working to my benefit and worth continuing. The longer the better when it comes to GH and if you run the mk 5on/2off there is really no reason to take any time off that i can see.

less injections is always nice! i think i was pinning 3X day

need to start throwing some pennies in the piggy bank!

[jimmyinkedup]

I'm really thinking of this Jimmy - unless I get prescribed real GH for my shoulder and my IGF 1 levels are a lil low(primary hypogonadal) I've been accepted for 2iu/day but I'd only consider it unless I can run it for life... Hence the reasons inmsy try this stack your on!

I agree low dose GH for life is the way to go then ramp it up if possible while on cycle - how many iu's would a ramp dose be on cycle after having been on GH for at least 6-9 months??

What can you afford LOL......

[jimmyinkedup]

less injections is always nice! i think i was pinning 3X day

need to start throwing some pennies in the piggy bank!

Yeah thats exactly what I mean. 3x/day is the norm with traditional GHRP/GHRH stack....and that sucks after a while. It goes in phases. Its a pain at first, then you go through a period where you are used to the pinning and you think eh it isnt oo bad, then time wears on and it becomes a bigger pain in the ass than ever to the point where I just want to sstop already. That makes this Oral mk a godsend man.
Yeah this one isnt TOO bad cost wise really but I hhad a big hed start. I had (and still have) a bunch of cjc w/dac put away so I just needed to pick up the mk and one bottle lasts 2 months so thats not bad at all. I didnt figure out what my cost would have been if I had to buy the cjc as well but even that, ith dac, lasts a lot longer than Mod GRF does. That with a GHRP gets real expensive real quick.

[kelkel]

the wife tells me my disposition is very good lately.

She wants something....