Originally Posted by
GearHeaded
Obs I completely get what your saying. and believe the general premise is true, BUT, its mainly true for 'natural' bodybuilding.
just like some really smart people in the industry will say that fasted cardio does not make any difference then fed cardio its all about calories in vs calories out. They may be correct, BUT why does pretty much every pro utilize fasted cardio for prep? because every pro is on gear. those of us on gear play by much different rules then every one else.. heck most the drugs that we take to lose body fat simply work way better in a fasted state.
so to tell an enhanced body builder to not utilize fasted cardio is telling him to waste his drugs.
in the fitness industry in general a lot of things are true and make sense. but a ton of things cross the line between natty and enhanced and so we got to take things in context.
natty's don't need to worry much about pre workout, intra workout, or post workout nutrition. they don't have any where near the hormonal environment and anabolic response that an enhanced guy does.
when I see a guy in my gym 'copying me' when I know he is natty, and he is carrying around his jug filled with carbs, amino acids, etc.. I kinda laugh to myself (not to be an asshole) cause I know as a natty he is not going to be able to put that to use and 'super compensate' .. I on the other hand have a hormonal environment and just injected 50mg of tren suspension, 10iu of insulin, 2iu of HGH, and swallowed 20mg of Dbol.. my body is in a state where it not only has to have that nutrition (other wise I'll go hypo and pass out) but it will make complete use of it.
SUPER COMPENSATION . if you were natty then what your saying is spot on. BUT your not. your body does not just naturally suddenly release 10iu of insulin into the blood stream, and it especially can't do this when your growth hormone levels are elevated. this is totally un-natural. so we are using exogenous hormones to create an environment that is totally un-natural and will thus lead to super compensation.
your bodies number one job is to survive. it does not want to go hypo, pass out, and die. its going to do something completely un-natural, its going to take all that insulin and all that glucose in your blood and "super compensate". your blood is going to be filled with all that insulin and glucose and nutrition, and your working out all that blood is going to be flowing to your muscles. they don't have to be already broken down to require blood and nutrients. fuck your muscles will take in the nutrition and insulin just so you don't pass out and die.
does it normally do this naturally . NO. but this is why we have un-natural 300+ pound bodybuilders :)
thats not the greatest or most detailed response. but my point is that taking nutrition and insulin pre-workout is going to unnaturally 'force' blood and nutrients into muscle and your ultimately going to grow and recover from doing this. again your taking advantage of the one way direct trip of blood flow into muscles.
also, the anabolics enhance and aide in this process, increase insulin sensitivity and allow you to store more nutrients and glycogen into muscle cells then is normally or naturally possible
also, keep in mind that 'breaking down' muscle fibers is only ONE facet of hypertrophy . another (often unknown) direct cause of muscular hypertrophy is metabolites. When your muscles get flooded with blood and all the metabolites that come with it and things like lactic acid, this is another form of 'stress' on the muscle that will cause it to adapt and grow. even though you may not break down any actual tissue, just the metabolite stress itself will cause a response.