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    Insulin THAT much of a game changers?

    OK so I have been flirting with the idea of taking some slin, convince me that I should take it.

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    I won't talk you into it. Insulin is a powerful addition, but for me it just isn't worth the potential problems.
    If I needed insulin to help me make my living, then I might inclined to consider it.....maybe.
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    From what Yates and other pros said basically you'll add muscle but it just balloon muscle; not dense granite like muscle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser View Post
    From what Yates and other pros said basically you'll add muscle but it just balloon muscle; not dense granite like muscle.
    My boy on here makes cycle like gains on cruise with Nova log .

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    Just running slin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser View Post
    Just running slin?
    Well he runs trt dose between but, yes low dose test and slin.

    But please research it alot before you jump in.

    First thing first is buy a bgl meter and get a base line how you body reacts to carbs and fats (fats slow absorption of carbs if crashing so for insulin usage and post or pre workout, you need to minimize fat so those carbs can easily cover the slin.)

    Also for out purpose, the most rapid acting is ideal, you don't want a 24 hour basal type (basalgar, levimir, etc) dropping you all day.

    You want the slin to slam carbs and nutes to you muscle, and be out the water in an hour or so.

    Other types you gotta keep carbing up through out the day so you don't crash, and constant abundance of carbs is counter productive to body building goals , unless your bulking like crazy. But the rapid onset insulin can fill that role better and give you better control.

    Think of asparte (very rapid acting) like Tren ace or Tren base, it's in and out quick after it does it's job.

    24 hour types (basal dose)bis like undecanoate. It lingers in effect 24 hours or more.

    1 unit covers 12-20g carbs, and I unit drops blood by 25 points give or take.

    So let's say you dose 2 units, you will drop 50 points in a matter of a 30minute window or less. So you'll need 30-40 it more grams carbs to offset the insulin effect on blood sugar.

    But those carbs after an intense workout are shuttled directly to muscle tissue.

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    Indeed. The only slin I would be able to get would be the OTC kind at Walmart of Costco, and that is even if NJ law allows it; I'm not sure if it does and I have no clue how to find out. From what I understand, these versions are fast acting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser View Post
    Indeed. The only slin I would be able to get would be the OTC kind at Walmart of Costco, and that is even if NJ law allows it; I'm not sure if it does and I have no clue how to find out. From what I understand, these versions are fast acting.
    It's regular slow onset. I sent you a pm.

    Get back to me

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    I'm on same page as Almostgone - not advisable unless you're making a living competing at pro level. I don't think the risks outweigh the benefits. Gear and HGH way better than slin. Not sure what OTC you are referring to but Insulin requires a perscription from a pharmacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I'm on same page as Almostgone - not advisable unless you're making a living competing at pro level. I don't think the risks outweigh the benefits. Gear and HGH way better than slin. Not sure what OTC you are referring to but Insulin requires a perscription from a pharmacy.
    No it doesn't not in my state and slot of others don't for R insulin .

    Others like basal and rapid acting

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    No it doesn't not in my state and slot of others don't for R insulin .

    Others like basal and rapid acting
    You can walk into the pharmacy and buy Humalin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    You can walk into the pharmacy and buy Humalin?
    Novalin R at Walmart without a prescription.


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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    Novalin R at Walmart without a prescription.


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    Crap can kill you! If you don't need it then don't risk your life over it! FYI - R is for Rapid, N is intermediate and L is for long acting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Wowzers, America is a strange place.
    Wtf that sounds dangerous

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    Quote Originally Posted by David LoPanno View Post
    Crap can kill you! If you don't need it then don't risk your life over it! FYI - R is for Rapid, N is intermediate and L is for long acting.


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    No R is regular medium onset 6 hour or so duration

    Insulin Chart | Types of Insulin in U.S., Onset, Duration, and Peak

    Rapid acting is not denoted by r or n rapid acting has onset of 15 to 30 minutes and about a 90-minute duration regular like Humulin is a 30 to 60 Minutes on set with a 4 to 6 hour duration

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    I wouldn’t advise it unless you plan on making a living in competing and fitness .
    If I’m not mistaken isn’t it something to be taken along side hgh?

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    Ahh why not cycle carbs and Keto and do it that way? Insulin is a dangerous compound if not kept an eye on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser View Post
    OK so I have been flirting with the idea of taking some slin, convince me that I should take it.
    Err.. No, not that much of a game changer. Insulin needs perfect diet.

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    I don't have goals to achieve the new age look of bodybuilding; my favorite look was the golden era and none of them took slin. I was just seeing if anyone could convince me lol. But apparently it is what mad the mass monsters of the 90's along with GH

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    The thing about insulin is what was said above that diet needs to be perfect or it will just make you put on fat that's going to be harder than ever to get rid of

    Why don't you just try some metformin it makes you more insulin sensitive and kind of does 20% of what insulin does

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    How would I incorporate Metformin (aka Glucophage) into my diet along with rhGH? Are there preferable times to take the growth to maximize gains from the workouts?

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    Has anyone taken RUI's Poppa Pump Pro Insulin ?

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    Insulin is by far the most potent anabolic substance, period, it affects your potential in far different more potent way than steroids , all the people wasting time with GH wanting muscle growth should just be using insulin..

    That being said it's not needed unless you make a living with your physique, it is also the potential most dangerous substance.

    Modern day bodybuilding is based on the foundation of trenbolone and insulin IMO, the two have an absurdly effective synergy and really no other substances are "required", tren is less required than insulin though for certain. Other drugs barely even do anything at that point outside of DNP , very strong orals (superdrol,m-tren). clen . GH is extremely silly to use by itself considering low doses of insulin raise IGF much, MUCH more than growth hormone does.
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    yup, low dose slin and test is probably more anabolic than high doses of tren , test and whatever other anabolic. honestly insulin by itself probably is considering it increases free T level..
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    and what is low dose slin exactly?

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    I would say 1-3 units a day.

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    Hi

    I will give you my insight on insulin and you can take it for what it's worth . Some coaches use it and swear by it and a lot of us do not really use it for many . I can assure you that your body produces plenty of insulin to do it's job , especially with the right protocols in the diet . Now if someone is however having an issue with insulin sensitivity , say from prolonged GH use , this then may cause me to add some into their program . I would be inclined to likely mix , now i won't give out my protocols but essentially it would involved a combination of slow and faster acting insulin at different times and no this doesn't mean preworkout . In these cases , insulin in strategic dosing and timing can be helpful and of course beneficial .

    Now if you are just using it because you think that's what you need or it's going to take your body to the next level , it's not . You can listen to who you trust , this i respect however if someones telling you he's making extra gains just because he's putting exogenous insulin into the body ... he's lying to you or he genuinely thinks it is but it's whatever else he is on doing what it would have regardless . Your body isn't stupid and when it has too much or too little of something , generally it knows and has a protocol for this . If you're planning to do this , understand your messing around with something potentially dangerous if abused without knowledge and also you're flooding your body with insulin it does not need , i am sure you're familiar with what happens when we do this with any type of hormone .

    this is just how i feel but believe me , there are plenty of perspectives on insulin use and some swear by it , use your mind , go with your logic and intuition on the matter .

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    I would say 1-3 units a day.
    This won't do shit, your pancreas can produce a lot more, that is if you are not diabetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    This won't do shit, your pancreas can produce a lot more, that is if you are not diabetic.
    Wrong, ive seen bloodwork of people doing this where their igf1 raises over 500%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    Wrong, ive seen bloodwork of people doing this where their igf1 raises over 500%.
    1-3 iu? My understanding is this is what you would use with no additional glycogen intake during cardio to burn a little more fat.
    In other words , you are still in range but at the low end.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    Wrong, ive seen bloodwork of people doing this where their igf1 raises over 500%.
    So you are saying insulin depending diabetic have igf1 500% higher?

    This would put them very high on cancer risk, you do know igf1 is cancer marker, right?

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    Anything used to increase growth factors increases cancer risk, period.

    And .. generally speaking someone w diabetes is unhealthy and definitely high risk of all diseases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    Anything used to increase growth factors increases cancer risk, period.

    And .. generally speaking someone w diabetes is unhealthy and definitely high risk of all diseases.
    And.. insulin does not increase igf1 500%.

    If you think it does, please provide evidence, otherwise this discussion is pointless.

    Bottom line, exogenous insulin is bio identical to the one our bodies produce, so if you take a small amount your body will only supress the production a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    And.. insulin does not increase igf1 500%.

    If you think it does, please provide evidence, otherwise this discussion is pointless.

    Bottom line, exogenous insulin is bio identical to the one our bodies produce, so if you take a small amount your body will only supress the production a bit.
    You still fail to comprehend 1 iu of insulin produces a result that no amount of naturally released does, i will not proceed with anything until this is understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    You still fail to comprehend 1 iu of insulin produces a result that no amount of naturally released does, i will not proceed with anything until this is understood.
    Why?

    Have you ever actually took 1ui of insulin ? It doesnt even alter your blood glucose level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Why?

    Have you ever actually took 1ui of insulin? It doesnt even alter your blood glucose level.
    There is no point naturally the body has the concentration of insulin that 1iu of synthetic creates. Me and numerous other people maintain 230-280 lb physiques basically on trt+ 1-3 units a day. Also on bloodwork I've seen GH alone usually 4-8 units increase igf usually only 100-200%. There's also a very strong neurological effect from small sizes of insulin too, boosting adrenaline and painkiller activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    There is no point naturally the body has the concentration of insulin that 1iu of synthetic creates. Me and numerous other people maintain 230-280 lb physiques basically on trt+ 1-3 units a day. Also on bloodwork I've seen GH alone usually 4-8 units increase igf usually only 100-200%. There's also a very strong neurological effect from small sizes of insulin too, boosting adrenaline and painkiller activity.
    You say theres no point in taking 1ui, then say you take 1-3 ui... So you confirm you take pointless insulin dosages? Very confusing....

    Please provide data to substantiate your claims that 1-3ui of insulin has any of those effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    You say theres no point in taking 1ui, then say you take 1-3 ui... So you confirm you take pointless insulin dosages? Very confusing....

    Please provide data to substantiate your claims that 1-3ui of insulin has any of those effects.


    I have multiple bloodwork pictures from different people and again there are tons of literature posts describing igf trails insulin around. I could wrote a detailed post highlighting interesting points with the bloodwork but the main one is insulin is great.

    Insulin at 1-3 units a day dramatically raises igf and free test and using growth hormone without insulin can be counter productive.

    And I was not going to say any of this because it is a close guarded trick of mine but certain substances interact w the insulin molecule making it 12-20x more potent, can't discuss more of that publicly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    I have multiple bloodwork pictures from different people and again there are tons of literature posts describing igf trails insulin around. I could wrote a detailed post highlighting interesting points with the bloodwork but the main one is insulin is great.

    Insulin at 1-3 units a day dramatically raises igf and free test and using growth hormone without insulin can be counter productive.

    And I was not going to say any of this because it is a close guarded trick of mine but certain substances interact w the insulin molecule making it 12-20x more potent, can't discuss more of that publicly.
    Shit I better open up my wallet for this!

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