Insulin pre and postworkout?

[carbman]

Has anyone tried insulin pre and postworkout?
Is it better to use lets say 15iu pre workout or 10iu pre and 5 iu postworkout? I have experienced only preworkout but want to try something else.

[almostgone]

I'm not a fan of slin, but I would be leery of it preworkout especially. Again, not a huge slin fan here. It can be very tricky to manage and adding in heavy physical activity right after dosing wouldn't be my approach.
Maybe some of the other members can share their thoughts.

[Ashop]

Some of the real hardcore guys are saying Insulin is superior pre workout but you would have to be SUPER careful or you could have serious problems.
I suggest for recreational bodybuilders to just avoid Insulin.

[Windex]

I would be terrified of using slin preworkout. Honestly unless bodybuilding is what's putting money in your bank account I don't think insulin is worth it. The benefits don't outweigh the risks to me and in order to really use insulin you have to have a perfect diet which is only going to happen if you are full time bodybuilding as a job with no other commitments. You can't have a 9-5 job and a perfect diet.

[GearHeaded]

IF you've done your research and are committed to using insulin safely - then I won't comment on wither one should or should not use it, thats a personal choice.

if your using insulin, then using it pre workout is a VERY OPTIMAL way of using it and you'll get a lot out of using it that way (actually using it pre and post is ideal). couple of points as to why this is.

- nutrients cannot get to cells without blood . blood is the carrier of all nutrients. insulin is a 'key' that unlocks cells and allows nutrients to flow from the blood into the cell.
- most of the time we do not have a ton of blood flow into muscle. but when we workout we have up to 70% of our blood volume being directed into the muscle. . . so what better time to pick up nutrients and deliver them into the cells then when blood (the nutrient carrier) is being directed that way . and what better way and time to have all the nutrients available in the blood stream and the 'key' (insulin) to unlock the cells to be able to receive these nutrients. during the workout is the 'perfect storm' for all these things to come together.

- being we can deliver the most blood and thus the most nutrients and to the muscles during the workout, this is the precise time we want the 'key', ie insulin, available to unlock the cells and allow these nutrients to flow into the cells.

keep in mind that when insulin unlocks muscles cells to allow glucose to enter the cell, that water (muscle is made up of water), Amino acids (the building blocks of muscle) as well as other minerals and nutrients enter the cell at the same time . this is ANABOLISM at its greatest degree. this is why insulin is the most anabolic hormone in the human body.

so running insulin pre-workout accomplishes this to a great degree. but it does not do this ALONE . meaning you can't just take insulin pre workout and accomplish anything (except perhaps going hypo and passing out in the gym) unless your prepared.
again, the blood is going to be directed to the muscles. the blood carries all nutrients that muscles need, BUT you have to make sure your blood has all these nutrients in great supply. you have to PREPARE for pre workout insulin use. you need to be very well hydrated, well fed with plenty of amino acids and carbs, well hydrated with electrolytes and minerals, etc..
If your one of these guys that workout fasted in the morning, the pre-workout insulin use is NOT for you.

a lot more can be said here about proper preparation for pre workout slin use. but I'll go on to the next step ..

intra workout nutrition is ESSENTIAL . you do not just inject insulin and go do a workout. you have to have intra workout nutrition or don't even bother (you will likely go hypo). your drink should contain a good amount of high molecular weight carbs (dose dependent on insulin usage dose), BCAA's and EAA (essential amino acids) , Creatine as well. you'll sip this drink during your workout.

between your pre workout nutrition plan to prepare for using insulin pre workout, and your intra workout nutrition. you WILL be just fine using insulin pre workout and you'll get optimal results compared to most any other time to use insulin.
using insulin post workout along with this protocol as well is ideal, imo . pre and post workout insulin usage together is optimal for growth . there are plenty of other ways to use insulin for bodybuilding as well though

[Capebuffalo]

What about the overlap of doses?
Pre workout 5ius
I train 30-45 min
Post workout 5ius

So that’s basically 10 ius in an hour. But it will take my peak time from 2 hrs to 3 hrs. Is that correct?

[GearHeaded]

What about the overlap of doses?
Pre workout 5ius
I train 30-45 min
Post workout 5ius

So that’s basically 10 ius in an hour. But it will take my peak time from 2 hrs to 3 hrs. Is that correct?

the peak is going to depend on the insulin your using . lets assume Novalin R (the most avail insulin) which is a regular acting insulin and kicks in in about 25 mins and peaks at about 2.5 hour mark.
If your using humalog the kick in time will be much quicker and the peak time shorter.

so you just need to consider your particular situation, and adjust your nutrition to accommodate it. "feeding the insulin" is a real thing and needs to be considered by anyone who is going to use insulin.

so for me, using Novalin R . I run 10iu about 20 mins prior to starting my workout and begin drinking my intra workout nutrition at the start of my workout. I require only about 50 grams of carbs to cover my 10iu of slin for the workout (KEEP in mind guys this is person dependent, some of you may require 100g of carbs to clear 10iu of slin). my workout last about 1-1/4 hour. at about the 1.5 hour mark I take in another 10iu of insulin and begin my post workout nutrition. which is 40g of whey isolate and another 50-80 grams of carbs. This is going to cover my first insulin injection 'peak' as well as begin covering my second injection of slin's kick in. about 2 hours later I then consume a balanced solid meal of protein and carbs (eg., chicken and rice). these three nutrition feedings cover my insulin usage no problem, and I adjust the nutrition up or down dependent on insulin dosage and timing.

this protocol covers me and provides everything needed for that 4 hour or so window around the workout when blood flow to muscles is at its highest, and growth factors are at there highest. it also greatly enhances and kicks starts recovery.

in doing this protocol for several years (at higher doses of slin then I even feel comfortable mentioning on here) I've only went hypo one time (and it was easily mitigated, and only happened cause of a fluke incidence cause of an out of the norm lifestyle situation at that time).


so having said all that short answer is , knowing your body, knowing the active and peak times of the insulin your using, and then timing everything properly with your nutrition and carb intake (also knowing what carbs you absorb well), and then implementing a protocol for pre and post workout insulin use based on those things..

but starting out slow, with just 5iu of insulin to find out those things is best and then go from there

[Capebuffalo]

It’s the novilin r Obs turned me onto.

The above makes since. Basically intranutrition during workout protien/carb shake post workout then a solid meal 1.5 hr after Workout.

[Kay kay]

I would suggest a smaller dose pre and larger post. I top out at 10 pre and 20-24 post but many stick much lower dosages, point is pre workout dosage is much lower than normal dosing. Dosing pre workout is weird and can hit you different after months of a steady protocol. I have only had uncomfortable experiences with pre workout shots going hypo.